Apostles of Peace- Not living up to their vows? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Apostles of Peace- Not living up to their vows? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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A_Cruel_DM
11-21-04, 01:45 PM Now here's a question. To becomes an Apostle of Peace, one must have the feat "Vow of Poverty" which clearly states:

"You may not use any magic item of any sort, though you can benifit from magic items used on your behalf- you can drink a potion of cure serious wounds a friend gives you, recieve a spell cast from a wand, scroll or staff, or ride on your comanions ebony fly.

Yet in the Apostle of Peace description it states:

"Apostles of peace forswear the use of armor, though they may wear magic items that protect them (such as a ring of protection or bracers of armor).

Now is this just a typo? Or do Apostles of Peace get some sort of special clause in the Vow of Poverty rules? Are they allowed to have magic items on them?

Any ideas? :confused:
Arthur_Pendragon
11-21-04, 03:21 PM Hmmm. . .

I don't own the book myself, but from what I've heard from other people on the board (and you may want to read their responses too).

My best guess, is that it is a typo on their part. I imagine they want that character to also not have items either. Man, that seems so tough on the PC's, they must live dirt poor and spread the word of peace. . . hmmmm . . .

*flashes a smille in a satisfied manner that looks disturbingly evil* Well, that's why I guess I'm a demon, we don't have too worry about such matters . . . :devil:
Thalis
11-21-04, 05:10 PM now, does the apostle of peace need to maintain the useof vow of poverty? or can they take it and forget about it?
Arthur_Pendragon
11-21-04, 06:20 PM *wrinkles brow in concentration*

I'd imagine if the Vow of Poverty itself was a requirment, then you still have to keep doing it to keep the prestige class.

After all, the paladin for example looses much of his abilities if he fails to meet the requirments of his class (being LG). And I've seen other prestige classes which say if you no longer meet the requirments of the prestige class you cease to be able to continue in it (and probably loose many of its benefits, depending on what type of benefits they are).
A_Cruel_DM
11-21-04, 06:29 PM I agree. The feat itself is very specific about you having to abide by the requirements.
BelRex
11-21-04, 06:35 PM You and your dm can come up with your own fixes for it. I for one, am treating it as allowing you only to use items such as relics (BoED and CD types, as well as divine artifacts). I think it's a modification of the vow itself, although I don't think it needs much, so that if you fall behind in power, your DM can help you out. The shard of the sun would be pretty useful for the turning undead attempts.
A_Cruel_DM
11-21-04, 10:18 PM Yes, this does make sense. I was also thinking along the lines of, if a magical item is given to you as a gift, you can accept it and use it, as long as it's roleplayed out, and not just the party giving the person half the loot from every battle as a "gift".
malykoth
11-22-04, 12:17 AM Yes, this does make sense. I was also thinking along the lines of, if a magical item is given to you as a gift, you can accept it and use it, as long as it's roleplayed out, and not just the party giving the person half the loot from every battle as a "gift".
This is not the intent of the vow...I can see a ton of abuse with such "gifts". Just do away with the whole damn vow if you're incapable of making a character work within the restrictions of the vow. Say the vow no longer exists and is no longer a requirement for any PrC.
Andrew_980
11-22-04, 10:15 AM I thought it was a typo and was supposed to be vow of purity not poverty.
thats how i'd play it. no need for a passifist to be poor, but probly shouldnt play with dead things
Callista
11-22-04, 01:40 PM Jeez... do they have errata for this stuff? They should...
BelRex
11-24-04, 09:55 AM No, unfortunately they don't errata everything they should. You can try customer service and see what they have to say about it. Though not all of them are familiar with the books, and you may get an odd ruling.
Eco-Mono
11-24-04, 11:24 PM The Sage says that the thing about Bracers was a typo, and that the Vow of Poverty must indeed be adhered to while taking this Prestige Class. Personally I think Vow of Poverty doesn't make sense for this PrC anyway.
Callista
11-25-04, 08:06 AM Hmm... maybe they used it as a requirement to balance the class.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
A_Cruel_DM 11-21-04, 01:45 PM	Now here's a question. To becomes an Apostle of Peace, one must have the feat "Vow of Poverty" which clearly states: "You may not use any magic item of any sort, though you can benifit from magic items used on your behalf- you can drink a potion of cure serious wounds a friend gives you, recieve a spell cast from a wand, scroll or staff, or ride on your comanions ebony fly. Yet in the Apostle of Peace description it states: "Apostles of peace forswear the use of armor, though they may wear magic items that protect them (such as a ring of protection or bracers of armor). Now is this just a typo? Or do Apostles of Peace get some sort of special clause in the Vow of Poverty rules? Are they allowed to have magic items on them? Any ideas? :confused:
Arthur_Pendragon 11-21-04, 03:21 PM	Hmmm. . . I don't own the book myself, but from what I've heard from other people on the board (and you may want to read their responses too). My best guess, is that it is a typo on their part. I imagine they want that character to also not have items either. Man, that seems so tough on the PC's, they must live dirt poor and spread the word of peace. . . hmmmm . . . flashes a smille in a satisfied manner that looks disturbingly evil Well, that's why I guess I'm a demon, we don't have too worry about such matters . . . :devil:
Thalis 11-21-04, 05:10 PM	now, does the apostle of peace need to maintain the useof vow of poverty? or can they take it and forget about it?
Arthur_Pendragon 11-21-04, 06:20 PM	wrinkles brow in concentration I'd imagine if the Vow of Poverty itself was a requirment, then you still have to keep doing it to keep the prestige class. After all, the paladin for example looses much of his abilities if he fails to meet the requirments of his class (being LG). And I've seen other prestige classes which say if you no longer meet the requirments of the prestige class you cease to be able to continue in it (and probably loose many of its benefits, depending on what type of benefits they are).
A_Cruel_DM 11-21-04, 06:29 PM	I agree. The feat itself is very specific about you having to abide by the requirements.
BelRex 11-21-04, 06:35 PM	You and your dm can come up with your own fixes for it. I for one, am treating it as allowing you only to use items such as relics (BoED and CD types, as well as divine artifacts). I think it's a modification of the vow itself, although I don't think it needs much, so that if you fall behind in power, your DM can help you out. The shard of the sun would be pretty useful for the turning undead attempts.
A_Cruel_DM 11-21-04, 10:18 PM	Yes, this does make sense. I was also thinking along the lines of, if a magical item is given to you as a gift, you can accept it and use it, as long as it's roleplayed out, and not just the party giving the person half the loot from every battle as a "gift".
malykoth 11-22-04, 12:17 AM	Yes, this does make sense. I was also thinking along the lines of, if a magical item is given to you as a gift, you can accept it and use it, as long as it's roleplayed out, and not just the party giving the person half the loot from every battle as a "gift". This is not the intent of the vow...I can see a ton of abuse with such "gifts". Just do away with the whole damn vow if you're incapable of making a character work within the restrictions of the vow. Say the vow no longer exists and is no longer a requirement for any PrC.
Andrew_980 11-22-04, 10:15 AM	I thought it was a typo and was supposed to be vow of purity not poverty. thats how i'd play it. no need for a passifist to be poor, but probly shouldnt play with dead things
Callista 11-22-04, 01:40 PM	Jeez... do they have errata for this stuff? They should...
BelRex 11-24-04, 09:55 AM	No, unfortunately they don't errata everything they should. You can try customer service and see what they have to say about it. Though not all of them are familiar with the books, and you may get an odd ruling.
Eco-Mono 11-24-04, 11:24 PM	The Sage says that the thing about Bracers was a typo, and that the Vow of Poverty must indeed be adhered to while taking this Prestige Class. Personally I think Vow of Poverty doesn't make sense for this PrC anyway.
Callista 11-25-04, 08:06 AM	Hmm... maybe they used it as a requirement to balance the class.