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JH_man 09-09-05, 10:43 AM	If so why? What do these books bring to the table? Will soon go on a amazon book shopping spree, so want to know what to get and not :D JH_man
DM_Jeff 09-09-05, 11:25 AM	I don't think Heroes of Horror is out until October, so I can't help there. On other message boards, I've seen complaints that the editing in Heroes of Battle isn't very good. Well, that's hogwash, it's perfectly fine. My table was rather imporessed with it. Currently it gets grabbed by three players: the cleric and the wizard, both of whom took spells from this book as soon as it came out, and the "aquisiton player" whose job it is to find others neat magic items loves the book. In another game there's at least one player aiming toward a prestige class within (they were really flavorful and well written in my opinion). And as a DM I got lots of inspiration and ideas from reading it. And the kicker? I'm currently not even running a wartime scenerio in either of my campaigns. I hope this helps! -DM Jeff
Nyarlathotep 09-09-05, 11:32 AM	I don't know about heroes of horror because it isn't out yet. I plan on getting it because my homebrew world is already kind of a horror setting anyway. As for Heroes of Battle, it depends. If you are a DM and would like to add a lot more warfare to your world, then by all means yes. If you are a player, not so much unless your DM is big on warfare since most of the stuff for players is really specialized for a battlefield environment. Though the Dread Commando PrC looks good in a regular game.
Bardicstorm 09-09-05, 12:12 PM	Personally, I like Heroes of Battle, and because of it will likely buy Heroes of Horror. But, the caveat to that is while it has some good content in it, it is geared to a very specialized form of play. Specifically, if the campaign is not taking place in a war, small or large, then the book will lose much of it's usefullness. And to those DMs who think Heroes of Battle will help them run a war campaign... It will, but not in the, here's rules for mass combat, strategy, maneuvers, etc.. It's pretty strictly geared to running a normal PC campaign in a war environment.
JH_man 09-09-05, 06:50 PM	Checked out some of the books in the local store, but gonna order them from amazon.com, ALOT cheaper then buy them in local store here in Norway. This is the list right now, please comment if some are not reason to get or others are reason to get: Fiend Folio - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/886610000 Map Folio One - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/886480000 Map Folio Two - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/965690000 Map Folio 3-D - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/179270000 Frostburn - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/177580000 Sandstorm - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/177390000 Stormwrack - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/178670000 Monster Manual III - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/179210000 Libris Mortis: The Book of Undead - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/179240000 Dungeon Master’s Guide II - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/863170000 Weapons of Legacy - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/178620000 Planar Handbook - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/179200000 Expanded Psionics Handbook - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/966660000 Deluxe Dungeon Master's Screens http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/885960000 (Heroes of Horror - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/885227200) JH_man
prodigyxss 09-09-05, 06:54 PM	In my opinion it is a good book full of ideas for a war campaign, but if your looking for mass combat rules look somewhere else. Heroes of Battle doesnt have any and advices special ops type stuff for the adventurers. I would personally go for monte cook's "Cry Havoc" it is better, has great ideas, actual mass combat rules, and hey its by monte cook. Editing in both is good. Dont worry its ok to not buy wizards products. And most third party is better in my opinion. Later
Kessalin Talira 09-09-05, 07:25 PM	Depending on if you're a player or DM, there are some books on your list that I'd skip. Overall, I'd buy them in this order: Heroes of Battle Monster Manual III Weapons of Legacy Dungeon Master's Guide II Expanded Psionics Handbook Frostburn Sandstorm Fiend Folio Libris Mortis Planar Handbook Map Folio I Map Folio II Stormwrack DM Screen Heroes of Horror Map Folio 3D Those are pretty much in order of enjoyment for me, though I don't have the last two on the list, which is a part of why they rank where they do. Heroes of Battle is a great book, overall, in my opinion. Monster Manual III has some REALLY good monsters in it. Of the 3 climate books, Frostburn is the best of the set, but only barely over Sandstorm. I'm really not too impressed with Stormwrack, but maybe a thorough reading will change that.
Bardicstorm 09-09-05, 08:10 PM	Checked out some of the books in the local store, but gonna order them from amazon.com, ALOT cheaper then buy them in local store here in Norway. This is the list right now, please comment if some are not reason to get or others are reason to get: For the Dm I would put them in the following order: Dungeon Master’s Guide II Libris Mortis: The Book of Undead Expanded Psionics Handbook Planar Handbook Monster Manual III Weapons of Legacy Frostburn Sandstorm Stormwrack For a Player I would put them in this order: Expanded Psionics Handbook Planar Handbook Weapons of Legacy Libris Mortis: The Book of Undead Frostburn Sandstorm Stormwrack Dungeon Master’s Guide II Monster Manual III I haven't heard much that was good about this: Fiend Folio Some DMs Like these, I never use them: Deluxe Dungeon Master's Screens And I wouldn't waste the money on these: Map Folio One Map Folio Two Map Folio 3-D
mvincent 09-09-05, 08:25 PM	And I wouldn't waste the money on these: <snip> Map Folio 3-DHuh. Well for me, it was one of the better values I've ever received (I liked it so much I bought a second one in fact). I realize I could've printed them out for free with my computer (like I do with worldworks (http://www.worldworksgames.com/) stuff), but this saved me the hassle, and it was nicely made... for a low cost. So I recommend it before all the others (but ymmv). The planar handbook is my second favorite.