Attacking Grapplers [Archive] - Wizards Community

Attacking Grapplers [Archive] - Wizards Community

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greyhaze
06-18-06, 11:58 AM Ok, I've read everything I can find on grappling, but nowhere does it say what it takes to hit an enemy target grappling with an ally.

d20 modern rules say that a pinned character has no dex bonus and -4AC, but is not helpless (and can not be coup de graced). But, it does not specify a character still in a grapple and not pinned.

1. How hard is it to his them? AC penalties/bonuses?

2. Does it count as conceal/cover?

3. Do you have a chance to hit your ally?

4. There must be size modifiers as well, how would you handle this? (edit)
Tevin Kevlak
06-18-06, 12:02 PM If you're in a grapple you lose your dexterity bonus to AC against everyone exccept the person you're grappling. As for the chance to hit your intended target during the grapple I believe you have a 50/50 chance of hitting either person as long as one of them has moved into the others square... I'm not 100% on this and I don't really know how you'd do this with more than 2 grapplers.
evilthorne
06-18-06, 12:21 PM So what happens if then if one of the grapplers is larger then the other(s)?
greyhaze
06-18-06, 12:27 PM 50/50 seems pretty drastic.

Was just talking with my DM about making it 50/50 if the grappler has won the grapple and is using the ally to shield the attack. Like a giant or a barbarian grapples your mage and puts them between you.

But, in the case of a Dire Bear (which happens alot) it's not really trying or would even try to use it's victim as a shield. Which to me would leave them with the dex penalty, but no 50/50 chance of hitting your ally. Especially when the target is 4x the size of your ally.
greyhaze
06-19-06, 10:45 AM Any other school of thoughts on this?
rogue_lettuce
06-19-06, 10:51 AM You COULD rule that they give cover, since they're in the same square, thus conceivably between you and the target. In that case there's a small chance of hitting them. That would seem to be the most realistic way to do it, judging the amount of cover given by their size.
geekling
06-19-06, 11:13 AM The answer to most of your questions can be found here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatModifiers.htm#favorableandUnfavora bleConditions) in the table for Armor Class Modifiers.
OravennasBrother
06-19-06, 12:24 PM Rmember that Improved Precise Shot allows you to choose which of the grappled characters you hit. And don't confuse the random target with missiles to be a random target with MElee attacks.
greyhaze
06-19-06, 05:12 PM Thanks, interesting chart. :)
Neratos
06-19-06, 07:25 PM Well according to my handy dandy Eberron DM screen attacking a character in a grapple with a melee attack, the defender is not allowed his dex to his AC. If you are attacking at range into a grapple the defender is denied his dex and you determine randomly who in the grapple you hit.

PHB pg 151. Hope it helps

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
greyhaze 06-18-06, 11:58 AM	Ok, I've read everything I can find on grappling, but nowhere does it say what it takes to hit an enemy target grappling with an ally. d20 modern rules say that a pinned character has no dex bonus and -4AC, but is not helpless (and can not be coup de graced). But, it does not specify a character still in a grapple and not pinned. 1. How hard is it to his them? AC penalties/bonuses? 2. Does it count as conceal/cover? 3. Do you have a chance to hit your ally? 4. There must be size modifiers as well, how would you handle this? (edit)
Tevin Kevlak 06-18-06, 12:02 PM	If you're in a grapple you lose your dexterity bonus to AC against everyone exccept the person you're grappling. As for the chance to hit your intended target during the grapple I believe you have a 50/50 chance of hitting either person as long as one of them has moved into the others square... I'm not 100% on this and I don't really know how you'd do this with more than 2 grapplers.
evilthorne 06-18-06, 12:21 PM	So what happens if then if one of the grapplers is larger then the other(s)?
greyhaze 06-18-06, 12:27 PM	50/50 seems pretty drastic. Was just talking with my DM about making it 50/50 if the grappler has won the grapple and is using the ally to shield the attack. Like a giant or a barbarian grapples your mage and puts them between you. But, in the case of a Dire Bear (which happens alot) it's not really trying or would even try to use it's victim as a shield. Which to me would leave them with the dex penalty, but no 50/50 chance of hitting your ally. Especially when the target is 4x the size of your ally.
greyhaze 06-19-06, 10:45 AM	Any other school of thoughts on this?
rogue_lettuce 06-19-06, 10:51 AM	You COULD rule that they give cover, since they're in the same square, thus conceivably between you and the target. In that case there's a small chance of hitting them. That would seem to be the most realistic way to do it, judging the amount of cover given by their size.
geekling 06-19-06, 11:13 AM	The answer to most of your questions can be found here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/combatModifiers.htm#favorableandUnfavora bleConditions) in the table for Armor Class Modifiers.
OravennasBrother 06-19-06, 12:24 PM	Rmember that Improved Precise Shot allows you to choose which of the grappled characters you hit. And don't confuse the random target with missiles to be a random target with MElee attacks.
greyhaze 06-19-06, 05:12 PM	Thanks, interesting chart. :)
Neratos 06-19-06, 07:25 PM	Well according to my handy dandy Eberron DM screen attacking a character in a grapple with a melee attack, the defender is not allowed his dex to his AC. If you are attacking at range into a grapple the defender is denied his dex and you determine randomly who in the grapple you hit. PHB pg 151. Hope it helps