Banishment and Outsiders... [Archive] - Wizards Community

Banishment and Outsiders... [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Xanthia
10-04-07, 08:15 PM So, if a demon is summoned by a villain, and it is killed by the PCs, does it actually die or is it just banished to t's home plane (i.e. The Abyss) until it is summoned again?

I was under the impression that a demon who is summoned with a spell leaves a fraction of its essence on it's home plane, so if it is killed on the material plane, it is merely "sent home".

What about if a demon plane shifts the material plane? Then, if he is killed, he's dead for good, right?
wizardguy2003
10-04-07, 10:53 PM I was always under the impression that if you kill a demon, summoned or otherwise, it is dead unless the specific demon has an entry that prevents it.
Greyman
10-05-07, 06:34 AM By the rules as written:

Summon spells act like Astral Travel in reverse, save that the real form is somehow not left vulnerable. Summoned Creatures, like Astral Travelers, are not really there. When their spell created forms are damaged or destroyed, their real form remains unharmed.

Outsiders who travel by plane shift, gate, or other means, may be extraplanar (thus can be banished or dismissed) but otherwise they are really there. When damaged or destroyed, they are really damaged or destroyed.

By the fluff in the Fiendish Codices:

Extraplanar Outsiders can supposedly only be truely slain on their home planes. This repeats tropes favoured in earlier editions, but is not supported anywhere else in the current rules.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Xanthia 10-04-07, 08:15 PM	So, if a demon is summoned by a villain, and it is killed by the PCs, does it actually die or is it just banished to t's home plane (i.e. The Abyss) until it is summoned again? I was under the impression that a demon who is summoned with a spell leaves a fraction of its essence on it's home plane, so if it is killed on the material plane, it is merely "sent home". What about if a demon plane shifts the material plane? Then, if he is killed, he's dead for good, right?
wizardguy2003 10-04-07, 10:53 PM	I was always under the impression that if you kill a demon, summoned or otherwise, it is dead unless the specific demon has an entry that prevents it.
Greyman 10-05-07, 06:34 AM	By the rules as written: Summon spells act like Astral Travel in reverse, save that the real form is somehow not left vulnerable. Summoned Creatures, like Astral Travelers, are not really there. When their spell created forms are damaged or destroyed, their real form remains unharmed. Outsiders who travel by plane shift, gate, or other means, may be extraplanar (thus can be banished or dismissed) but otherwise they are really there. When damaged or destroyed, they are really damaged or destroyed. By the fluff in the Fiendish Codices: Extraplanar Outsiders can supposedly only be truely slain on their home planes. This repeats tropes favoured in earlier editions, but is not supported anywhere else in the current rules.