Post/Author/DateTime	Post
wizard of Newfoundland 01-31-08, 02:21 PM	My party always asks me if they can fly up and jump on the back of some flying creature and attack it. I don't know what to do for rules mechanics in this situation. I've had them make ride checks and grapple checks but if they do manage to stay on can the creature attack them? I imagine that you couldn't reach your back if you were a quadruped. Any ideas on rulings for checks for staying on and what the monster can and cannot do to you?
Joe Khol 01-31-08, 06:46 PM	I'm not convinced starting from what is logical and trying to find rules to fit it is the right way to go - situations vary too much to allow for consitant rules that way. I'd stick with standard rules (grappling makes sense to me for this) and work out how to describe the fundamental mechanical results in a relevant way for each situation (maybe the monster is rolling around and throwing the PC about enough to reach them or maybe the damage from the monster attacks is actually from the shaking about).
ciaran 01-31-08, 08:00 PM	Good question! These are the kind I like to ad hoc rules for in my games! I'd say something with a long neck or tail attack (for example) could strike back. As far as Ride checks and grapples? Why not make a Ride vs Grapple check? As good as any other solution I suppose.
Crimson_Concerto 01-31-08, 09:21 PM	*reads topic title* :eek: AH! DIRTY MIND! :banghead: :shifty: Right, so anyways, I'd say that this is purely a grapple situation, honestly. I'd just treat it like that and use those rules. :P
Cartigan 01-31-08, 09:48 PM	Well it's a grapple to get on to it, but if it is moving around because you are such a puny, insignificant gnat that it can move, you should have to make ride checks to stay there. DC increase by +2 for every size category it is bigger than you and +2 for every step in the "unfriendly" direction it is towards you. (There are some mounts in Races of Stone that are weird and I think they talk about DC checks for riding crazy stuff in there/)
wizard of Newfoundland 02-02-08, 10:25 AM	thanks for all the advice, the tail and long neck attacks make a lot of sense to me. I've used just plan grapple so i think i'll try out ride vs grapple and see how that floats, if not i may just have to stick with regular grapple
GrumpyWizard 02-02-08, 02:40 PM	*reads topic title* :eek: AH! DIRTY MIND! :banghead: :shifty: Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!:rofl: