Becoming a saint. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Becoming a saint. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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klode_me
05-03-05, 02:42 PM does anyone know a good path to the saint template?
DeadEye19
05-03-05, 04:50 PM Hand me some background on your character and it's personality, and I might have a suggestion...
Something on your campaign would be nice, too.
klode_me
05-03-05, 05:02 PM I am the class that walks against the saint template, i am a healer (from miniatures handbook), i am going to ask my DM, but we are at level 20th, i am good and want to be more than just a normal mortal.

Edit: Oh by the way i think i will be normal human with this template, or maybe an aasimar, outside question: what do you think would be best?
malykoth
05-03-05, 06:58 PM Hard to say. IRW, I believe sainthood is bestowed on someone, not something a person works to. Also, I think you have to perform three miracles. In a D&D context, this would have to work a little different. Obviously, as a player you can work towards being a saint, even if the character you are playing would find the idea strange or even irreverent.

Obviously, you must be a sterling example of your god's ethos and alignment, and give yourself completely and unconditionally to the fulfillment of his portfolio. With the pantheistic nature of D&D, a bit of background on your actual faith would be helpful.
You say you're a healer...so, how devoted are you to the healing arts? Do you provide frequent healings for any who need it, regardless of connection to you or ability to pay? Have you put yourself in real, immediate danger in order to heal another? Please note: regular "adventuring" (while possibly very dangerous) shouldn't really count for this, as you are not placing yourself in danger just to heal someone, but to gain treasure, provide support to an ally, following the orders of your superiors, etc. (i.e.: you have alterior motives, however pure or valid they may seem to you). Have you healed enemies? Healing prisoners is one thing, but healing captors is quite another.
I guess I'm saying that one should really set an amazing example to others and be a paragon of their ethos, to have a shot at sainthood.
Martyrdom seems a good way to go, too. Maybe you and your DM can iron out the details of the process. Say you have to martyr yourself, somehow, and as part of the whole "saint package", your god sends you back to the mortal realm to act as one of his special agents (in other words, you get a free resurrection, but only this once).
klode_me
05-04-05, 01:07 AM Hard to say. IRW, I believe sainthood is bestowed on someone, not something a person works to. Also, I think you have to perform three miracles. In a D&D context, this would have to work a little different. Obviously, as a player you can work towards being a saint, even if the character you are playing would find the idea strange or even irreverent.

Obviously, you must be a sterling example of your god's ethos and alignment, and give yourself completely and unconditionally to the fulfillment of his portfolio. With the pantheistic nature of D&D, a bit of background on your actual faith would be helpful.
You say you're a healer...so, how devoted are you to the healing arts? Do you provide frequent healings for any who need it, regardless of connection to you or ability to pay? Have you put yourself in real, immediate danger in order to heal another? Please note: regular "adventuring" (while possibly very dangerous) shouldn't really count for this, as you are not placing yourself in danger just to heal someone, but to gain treasure, provide support to an ally, following the orders of your superiors, etc. (i.e.: you have alterior motives, however pure or valid they may seem to you). Have you healed enemies? Healing prisoners is one thing, but healing captors is quite another.
I guess I'm saying that one should really set an amazing example to others and be a paragon of their ethos, to have a shot at sainthood.
Martyrdom seems a good way to go, too. Maybe you and your DM can iron out the details of the process. Say you have to martyr yourself, somehow, and as part of the whole "saint package", your god sends you back to the mortal realm to act as one of his special agents (in other words, you get a free resurrection, but only this once).

Healers shall heal any allie and any good-aligned creatures who needs it, if he doesn´t he becomes an Ex-healer.

Hmm. that about martyrdom sounds interesting, does that mean when you are done with the Risen matyr PRC the character can gain a new life, i has never understanded what is good about a risen martyr?
skywyze
05-04-05, 02:57 AM Requirements:
1) Must be of good alignment.
2) Must have at least 3 exalted feats.
3) Must have never lost the benefits of exalted feats or class abilities because of committing an evil act, even if the character atoned.
4) Must at all times behave in a way the DM considers to be exemplary of the exalted path described in the BoED.
5) Must be at least 6th level.
6) Must make an extraordinary sacrifice (not necessarily his or her life) for the good of another.

That's a quote from BoED by the way.

My character sacrificed his life for his friends while fighting a balor. When he was ressurected later on, he was a very different man. His alignment changed from neutral good to lawful good and all in all it was a very profound turning point in his life. As a side-effect of the template, "The deities always hear [a saints] prayers and pay attention" (BoED, p.29), something he has taken advantage of more than once. It may be a sacrifice, and by level 20 it's probably not worth it any more, but it makes for great fluff and coolness.
klode_me
05-04-05, 03:10 AM Requirements:
1) Must be of good alignment.
2) Must have at least 3 exalted feats.
3) Must have never lost the benefits of exalted feats or class abilities because of committing an evil act, even if the character atoned.
4) Must at all times behave in a way the DM considers to be exemplary of the exalted path described in the BoED.
5) Must be at least 6th level.
6) Must make an extraordinary sacrifice (not necessarily his or her life) for the good of another.

That's a quote from BoED by the way.

My character sacrificed his life for his friends while fighting a balor. When he was ressurected later on, he was a very different man. His alignment changed from neutral good to lawful good and all in all it was a very profound turning point in his life. As a side-effect of the template, "The deities always hear [a saints] prayers and pay attention" (BoED, p.29), something he has taken advantage of more than once. It may be a sacrifice, and by level 20 it's probably not worth it any more, but it makes for great fluff and coolness.

What could a healer sacrifice?
skywyze
05-04-05, 03:28 AM Friends, family or pets for the greater good? Her favorite Robe of uber-magicalness to patch someone's wounds, lest they die? All her money to feed the every poor person in Waterdeep? The list goes on. As long as she's not dead and in some sort of Hell, she still has more to sacrifice.
klode_me
05-04-05, 03:39 AM Friends, family or pets for the greater good? Her favorite Robe of uber-magicalness to patch someone's wounds, lest they die? All her money to feed the every poor person in Waterdeep? The list goes on. As long as she's not dead and in some sort of Hell, she still has more to sacrifice.

Does she need to give away all her moneys?
skywyze
05-04-05, 04:05 AM Well that's up to the DM.

Your character wouldn't know the exact amount necessary to attain sainthood so even if you as a player knew, using that knowledge in-game is metagaming and therefore bad. So do good deeds, give all you can without crippling yourself and pray a lot. Always act like a saint and propose the idea to your DM. If you do it right, you shouldn't need to spend a single piece of gold.

But remember - the saint template isn't like other templates. It's not a one-shot wonder that will give you lots of bonuses and never ask for anything in return. It's an ongoing struggle, and the template is simply a reward given for actions that the person would've taken even without the promise of reward. It's not something you buy from the celestials by spending enough gold.
Moon-Lancer
05-04-05, 04:25 AM klod_me, do you still want that picture of the catfoke warlock, sounds like you are going for another charicter insted, but anywho let me know. Havent gotten a chance to work on it becuse of finals and school. I really bad about other projects other then homework.
Norhg
05-18-05, 12:05 PM What could a healer sacrifice?
His soul. As in, when you die you will not go to heaven but instead just... disappear. I think the soul is what all religions covet the most. Therefore sacrificing it would also mean the most.

-You'll be tasked with finding an adequate way to go by doing it.
Quenditar
05-18-05, 04:46 PM His soul. As in, when you die you will not go to heaven but instead just... disappear. I think the soul is what all religions covet the most. Therefore sacrificing it would also mean the most.

-You'll be tasked with finding an adequate way to go by doing it.
Sounds like a baelnorn to me.
lancean
05-19-05, 10:00 AM Requirements:
1) Must be of good alignment.
2) Must have at least 3 exalted feats.
3) Must have never lost the benefits of exalted feats or class abilities because of committing an evil act, even if the character atoned.
4) Must at all times behave in a way the DM considers to be exemplary of the exalted path described in the BoED.
5) Must be at least 6th level.
6) Must make an extraordinary sacrifice (not necessarily his or her life) for the good of another.

It's because of requirement 2 that Sainthood is something you DO have to keep an eye on when building your character. Not everyone has 3 exalted feats laying around.

Also keep in mind that how your character sacrifices to become a saint is not nearly as important as how he/she acts and what he/she stands for at all other times. That's the concept of an exalted character... they act by a strong code or philosophy at ALL times, not just when the going gets tough.

As an example, the character I am playing right now is a sorcerer/diviner sort. The character path I have him on will give him Nimbus of Light, Stigmata, and Gift of Grace by 9th level, so Sainthood is something he could attain by 10th or so. Will he? Maybe, but that's not why I'm taking the feats. The feats make sense for the character. He has been level-drained, tortured, imprisoned and worse in his long life, but he remains unwilling to actually HATE anyone. It is this concept that he does what he does for the common good and does not feel hatred that is the TRUE key to possibly attaining Sainthood someday.
Johnny Cache
05-19-05, 08:51 PM Sounds like your chara will make a great Saint, lancean. He sounds like a true "giver". :)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
klode_me 05-03-05, 02:42 PM	does anyone know a good path to the saint template?
DeadEye19 05-03-05, 04:50 PM	Hand me some background on your character and it's personality, and I might have a suggestion... Something on your campaign would be nice, too.
klode_me 05-03-05, 05:02 PM	I am the class that walks against the saint template, i am a healer (from miniatures handbook), i am going to ask my DM, but we are at level 20th, i am good and want to be more than just a normal mortal. Edit: Oh by the way i think i will be normal human with this template, or maybe an aasimar, outside question: what do you think would be best?
malykoth 05-03-05, 06:58 PM	Hard to say. IRW, I believe sainthood is bestowed on someone, not something a person works to. Also, I think you have to perform three miracles. In a D&D context, this would have to work a little different. Obviously, as a player you can work towards being a saint, even if the character you are playing would find the idea strange or even irreverent. Obviously, you must be a sterling example of your god's ethos and alignment, and give yourself completely and unconditionally to the fulfillment of his portfolio. With the pantheistic nature of D&D, a bit of background on your actual faith would be helpful. You say you're a healer...so, how devoted are you to the healing arts? Do you provide frequent healings for any who need it, regardless of connection to you or ability to pay? Have you put yourself in real, immediate danger in order to heal another? Please note: regular "adventuring" (while possibly very dangerous) shouldn't really count for this, as you are not placing yourself in danger just to heal someone, but to gain treasure, provide support to an ally, following the orders of your superiors, etc. (i.e.: you have alterior motives, however pure or valid they may seem to you). Have you healed enemies? Healing prisoners is one thing, but healing captors is quite another. I guess I'm saying that one should really set an amazing example to others and be a paragon of their ethos, to have a shot at sainthood. Martyrdom seems a good way to go, too. Maybe you and your DM can iron out the details of the process. Say you have to martyr yourself, somehow, and as part of the whole "saint package", your god sends you back to the mortal realm to act as one of his special agents (in other words, you get a free resurrection, but only this once).
klode_me 05-04-05, 01:07 AM	Hard to say. IRW, I believe sainthood is bestowed on someone, not something a person works to. Also, I think you have to perform three miracles. In a D&D context, this would have to work a little different. Obviously, as a player you can work towards being a saint, even if the character you are playing would find the idea strange or even irreverent. Obviously, you must be a sterling example of your god's ethos and alignment, and give yourself completely and unconditionally to the fulfillment of his portfolio. With the pantheistic nature of D&D, a bit of background on your actual faith would be helpful. You say you're a healer...so, how devoted are you to the healing arts? Do you provide frequent healings for any who need it, regardless of connection to you or ability to pay? Have you put yourself in real, immediate danger in order to heal another? Please note: regular "adventuring" (while possibly very dangerous) shouldn't really count for this, as you are not placing yourself in danger just to heal someone, but to gain treasure, provide support to an ally, following the orders of your superiors, etc. (i.e.: you have alterior motives, however pure or valid they may seem to you). Have you healed enemies? Healing prisoners is one thing, but healing captors is quite another. I guess I'm saying that one should really set an amazing example to others and be a paragon of their ethos, to have a shot at sainthood. Martyrdom seems a good way to go, too. Maybe you and your DM can iron out the details of the process. Say you have to martyr yourself, somehow, and as part of the whole "saint package", your god sends you back to the mortal realm to act as one of his special agents (in other words, you get a free resurrection, but only this once). Healers shall heal any allie and any good-aligned creatures who needs it, if he doesn´t he becomes an Ex-healer. Hmm. that about martyrdom sounds interesting, does that mean when you are done with the Risen matyr PRC the character can gain a new life, i has never understanded what is good about a risen martyr?
skywyze 05-04-05, 02:57 AM	Requirements: 1) Must be of good alignment. 2) Must have at least 3 exalted feats. 3) Must have never lost the benefits of exalted feats or class abilities because of committing an evil act, even if the character atoned. 4) Must at all times behave in a way the DM considers to be exemplary of the exalted path described in the BoED. 5) Must be at least 6th level. 6) Must make an extraordinary sacrifice (not necessarily his or her life) for the good of another. That's a quote from BoED by the way. My character sacrificed his life for his friends while fighting a balor. When he was ressurected later on, he was a very different man. His alignment changed from neutral good to lawful good and all in all it was a very profound turning point in his life. As a side-effect of the template, "The deities always hear [a saints] prayers and pay attention" (BoED, p.29), something he has taken advantage of more than once. It may be a sacrifice, and by level 20 it's probably not worth it any more, but it makes for great fluff and coolness.
klode_me 05-04-05, 03:10 AM	Requirements: 1) Must be of good alignment. 2) Must have at least 3 exalted feats. 3) Must have never lost the benefits of exalted feats or class abilities because of committing an evil act, even if the character atoned. 4) Must at all times behave in a way the DM considers to be exemplary of the exalted path described in the BoED. 5) Must be at least 6th level. 6) Must make an extraordinary sacrifice (not necessarily his or her life) for the good of another. That's a quote from BoED by the way. My character sacrificed his life for his friends while fighting a balor. When he was ressurected later on, he was a very different man. His alignment changed from neutral good to lawful good and all in all it was a very profound turning point in his life. As a side-effect of the template, "The deities always hear [a saints] prayers and pay attention" (BoED, p.29), something he has taken advantage of more than once. It may be a sacrifice, and by level 20 it's probably not worth it any more, but it makes for great fluff and coolness. What could a healer sacrifice?
skywyze 05-04-05, 03:28 AM	Friends, family or pets for the greater good? Her favorite Robe of uber-magicalness to patch someone's wounds, lest they die? All her money to feed the every poor person in Waterdeep? The list goes on. As long as she's not dead and in some sort of Hell, she still has more to sacrifice.
klode_me 05-04-05, 03:39 AM	Friends, family or pets for the greater good? Her favorite Robe of uber-magicalness to patch someone's wounds, lest they die? All her money to feed the every poor person in Waterdeep? The list goes on. As long as she's not dead and in some sort of Hell, she still has more to sacrifice. Does she need to give away all her moneys?
skywyze 05-04-05, 04:05 AM	Well that's up to the DM. Your character wouldn't know the exact amount necessary to attain sainthood so even if you as a player knew, using that knowledge in-game is metagaming and therefore bad. So do good deeds, give all you can without crippling yourself and pray a lot. Always act like a saint and propose the idea to your DM. If you do it right, you shouldn't need to spend a single piece of gold. But remember - the saint template isn't like other templates. It's not a one-shot wonder that will give you lots of bonuses and never ask for anything in return. It's an ongoing struggle, and the template is simply a reward given for actions that the person would've taken even without the promise of reward. It's not something you buy from the celestials by spending enough gold.
Moon-Lancer 05-04-05, 04:25 AM	klod_me, do you still want that picture of the catfoke warlock, sounds like you are going for another charicter insted, but anywho let me know. Havent gotten a chance to work on it becuse of finals and school. I really bad about other projects other then homework.
Norhg 05-18-05, 12:05 PM	What could a healer sacrifice? His soul. As in, when you die you will not go to heaven but instead just... disappear. I think the soul is what all religions covet the most. Therefore sacrificing it would also mean the most. -You'll be tasked with finding an adequate way to go by doing it.
Quenditar 05-18-05, 04:46 PM	His soul. As in, when you die you will not go to heaven but instead just... disappear. I think the soul is what all religions covet the most. Therefore sacrificing it would also mean the most. -You'll be tasked with finding an adequate way to go by doing it. Sounds like a baelnorn to me.
lancean 05-19-05, 10:00 AM	Requirements: 1) Must be of good alignment. 2) Must have at least 3 exalted feats. 3) Must have never lost the benefits of exalted feats or class abilities because of committing an evil act, even if the character atoned. 4) Must at all times behave in a way the DM considers to be exemplary of the exalted path described in the BoED. 5) Must be at least 6th level. 6) Must make an extraordinary sacrifice (not necessarily his or her life) for the good of another. It's because of requirement 2 that Sainthood is something you DO have to keep an eye on when building your character. Not everyone has 3 exalted feats laying around. Also keep in mind that how your character sacrifices to become a saint is not nearly as important as how he/she acts and what he/she stands for at all other times. That's the concept of an exalted character... they act by a strong code or philosophy at ALL times, not just when the going gets tough. As an example, the character I am playing right now is a sorcerer/diviner sort. The character path I have him on will give him Nimbus of Light, Stigmata, and Gift of Grace by 9th level, so Sainthood is something he could attain by 10th or so. Will he? Maybe, but that's not why I'm taking the feats. The feats make sense for the character. He has been level-drained, tortured, imprisoned and worse in his long life, but he remains unwilling to actually HATE anyone. It is this concept that he does what he does for the common good and does not feel hatred that is the TRUE key to possibly attaining Sainthood someday.
Johnny Cache 05-19-05, 08:51 PM	Sounds like your chara will make a great Saint, lancean. He sounds like a true "giver". :)