Boccob's Blessed Book needs errata? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Boccob's Blessed Book needs errata? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Delglath the Undying
02-24-05, 10:17 AM Wasn't sure where else to post this.

Essentially, I don't get the description of this item. It says, "Don't pay the normal 25gp per page cost..." but the normal cost is 100gp per page. So what's this mean?
The_Ditto
02-24-05, 11:38 AM Wasn't sure where else to post this.

Essentially, I don't get the description of this item. It says, "Don't pay the normal 25gp per page cost..." but the normal cost is 100gp per page. So what's this mean?

Yeah, typo .. but then again . the primary source for the amount you pay to scribe a spell isn't located in the description of Boccob's ... it's located in the magic section .. which shows 100gp.

Either way, with Boccob's - you don't need to pay.
Period.
Enjoy!
:tiphat:
The Simbul
02-24-05, 02:14 PM [edit: nevermind, messed up on my math
Delglath the Undying
02-24-05, 05:39 PM So you're sure about that? 'cause that means a wizard who makes one of these can spend 3,500gp to make it, and save himself 96,500gp in scribing costs in the long term, and not only that, but the weight of ten normal spellbooks.

That's a pretty damn good deal.
Emrick Blackthorn
02-24-05, 08:52 PM ... a wizard who makes one of these can spend 3,500gp to make it, and save himself 96,500gp in scribing costs ...

Delglath~

I thought I might try to help you out a little here. This info is from 2ed.

Yes, the BASE price just to make the book its self is 35,000 gp.
You can place up to 45 spells into the book of any level.
The number of pages a spell takes is equal to its level, plus zero to five (1d6-1) additional pages.
You then need to pay 100 gold pieces per page of the book.

So if you were to place 45 9th level spells in it, and had really bad rolls with them all using 5 pages, you would be spending a total of 98,000 gp.

I hope this helps some.

~Emrick
Delglath the Undying
02-25-05, 12:05 AM I hope this helps some.
No, it really doesn't. How on earth you could think that info from 2nd edition could help when it is plainly obvious that this is a 3 edition specific forum, and question, is beyond me. Retard.
colm_l
02-25-05, 06:25 AM Wow, being vindictive to people helping you - Nice earning of brownie points there!
Nagol
02-25-05, 07:04 AM But it's not going to get any because the question was answered in the FAQ. Pity WotC conflates the concepts clarification and repair.

Boccob’s blessed book allows a wizard to fill its 1,000 pages with spells without paying the 25 gp per page material cost. The Player’s Handbook (page 179), however, says materials for writing the spell (special quills, inks, and other supplies) cost 100 gp per page. Which number is correct? Does it cost 25 gp or 100 gp per page to write a spell into a spellbook?
Does Boccob’s blessed book merely subtract 25 gp from the 100 gp per page cost? Also, can a wizard write a spell from any source she could otherwise copy? For example, suppose a wizard finds an arcane scroll with a spell that’s on the wizard class list. Can the wizard copy that spell into a Boccob’s blessed book? Could the wizard do the same thing with a wizard spell from another wizard’s spellbook? Or is Boccob’s blessed book only intended as a cheap way to back up spells from one’s own spellbook? How long does it take to copy a spell into the book? Do you have to make any skill checks to copy the spell?
The cost to write a spell into a spellbook is 100 gp per page (for materials) as noted in the Player’s Handbook. Note that with the arrival of D&D 3.5, this cost is half what it used to be, because spells now require only one page in a spellbook per spell level (minimum one page), rather than two pages per spell level.
You can put any spell into a Boccob’s blessed book that you normally could put in your regular spellbook. When you do so, you don’t have to pay the 100 gp per page for materials. You still have to pay the cost for acquiring the spell (if any).
For example you might buy a scroll to copy into the book, or you might borrow a spellbook from another wizard. When you obtain a scroll for the purposes of expanding your own spellbook, you pay the usual market price for the scroll, as noted in Chapter 7 of the Dungeon Master’s Guide. If you borrow someone else’s book, the usual price for each spell you copy is 50 gp per spell level. Also, you can research a new spell, see Chapter 2 in the Dungeon Master’s Guide. Writing a spell into a Boccob’s blessed book takes the same amount of time as writing it into a regular spellbook (24 hours), and the task requires the same Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell level) you need to copy the spell into a regular (see page 179 in the Player’s Handbook).
Emrick Blackthorn
02-25-05, 07:22 AM ... it is plainly obvious that this is a 3 edition specific forum ...

Wow, being vindictive to people helping you - Nice earning of brownie points there!

Colm~

Really! Besides, I see many other people making reference to other editions in here. Plus, I just got done looking at 3.0 about the book and it has the same info on it as does 2ed. The price of 95,000 gp is the market value of the book (blank with no spells in it), not how much it cost to make it. It looks like the CHILD (and yes, that's what you're acting like with the name calling) is just looking to save some gp's.

~Emrick
Delglath the Undying
02-25-05, 06:56 PM But it's not going to get any because the question was answered in the FAQ. Pity WotC conflates the concepts clarification and repair.

Thanks. I looked for a FAQ too but couldn't find it.
primemover003
02-25-05, 07:03 PM But to be honest a 2nd ed. rules response is about as helpful as giving advice about a Commadore Vic 20 to a WindowsXP user.

We can easily talk 2E fluff, but not really rules.
Delglath the Undying
02-25-05, 07:06 PM The market price in 3.5 is actually 12,500gp. The price in the 3.0 DMG is 9,500.

The combined total of having scribed 1,000 pages worth of spells into the book is 100,000gp. Thus by creating this tome, and paying half market value, you are, over the life-time of the book saving 93,750gp, assuming 3.5 ed rules are being used. Not to mention the fact that a normal spellbook only has 100 pages and thus to equal the amount of spells in a Boccob's Blessed Book, you would have to carry around ten normal spellbooks.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Delglath the Undying 02-24-05, 10:17 AM	Wasn't sure where else to post this. Essentially, I don't get the description of this item. It says, "Don't pay the normal 25gp per page cost..." but the normal cost is 100gp per page. So what's this mean?
The_Ditto 02-24-05, 11:38 AM	Wasn't sure where else to post this. Essentially, I don't get the description of this item. It says, "Don't pay the normal 25gp per page cost..." but the normal cost is 100gp per page. So what's this mean? Yeah, typo .. but then again . the primary source for the amount you pay to scribe a spell isn't located in the description of Boccob's ... it's located in the magic section .. which shows 100gp. Either way, with Boccob's - you don't need to pay. Period. Enjoy! :tiphat:
The Simbul 02-24-05, 02:14 PM	[edit: nevermind, messed up on my math
Delglath the Undying 02-24-05, 05:39 PM	So you're sure about that? 'cause that means a wizard who makes one of these can spend 3,500gp to make it, and save himself 96,500gp in scribing costs in the long term, and not only that, but the weight of ten normal spellbooks. That's a pretty damn good deal.
Emrick Blackthorn 02-24-05, 08:52 PM	... a wizard who makes one of these can spend 3,500gp to make it, and save himself 96,500gp in scribing costs ... Delglath~ I thought I might try to help you out a little here. This info is from 2ed. Yes, the BASE price just to make the book its self is 35,000 gp. You can place up to 45 spells into the book of any level. The number of pages a spell takes is equal to its level, plus zero to five (1d6-1) additional pages. You then need to pay 100 gold pieces per page of the book. So if you were to place 45 9th level spells in it, and had really bad rolls with them all using 5 pages, you would be spending a total of 98,000 gp. I hope this helps some. ~Emrick
Delglath the Undying 02-25-05, 12:05 AM	I hope this helps some. No, it really doesn't. How on earth you could think that info from 2nd edition could help when it is plainly obvious that this is a 3 edition specific forum, and question, is beyond me. Retard.
colm_l 02-25-05, 06:25 AM	Wow, being vindictive to people helping you - Nice earning of brownie points there!
Nagol 02-25-05, 07:04 AM	But it's not going to get any because the question was answered in the FAQ. Pity WotC conflates the concepts clarification and repair. Boccob’s blessed book allows a wizard to fill its 1,000 pages with spells without paying the 25 gp per page material cost. The Player’s Handbook (page 179), however, says materials for writing the spell (special quills, inks, and other supplies) cost 100 gp per page. Which number is correct? Does it cost 25 gp or 100 gp per page to write a spell into a spellbook? Does Boccob’s blessed book merely subtract 25 gp from the 100 gp per page cost? Also, can a wizard write a spell from any source she could otherwise copy? For example, suppose a wizard finds an arcane scroll with a spell that’s on the wizard class list. Can the wizard copy that spell into a Boccob’s blessed book? Could the wizard do the same thing with a wizard spell from another wizard’s spellbook? Or is Boccob’s blessed book only intended as a cheap way to back up spells from one’s own spellbook? How long does it take to copy a spell into the book? Do you have to make any skill checks to copy the spell? The cost to write a spell into a spellbook is 100 gp per page (for materials) as noted in the Player’s Handbook. Note that with the arrival of D&D 3.5, this cost is half what it used to be, because spells now require only one page in a spellbook per spell level (minimum one page), rather than two pages per spell level. You can put any spell into a Boccob’s blessed book that you normally could put in your regular spellbook. When you do so, you don’t have to pay the 100 gp per page for materials. You still have to pay the cost for acquiring the spell (if any). For example you might buy a scroll to copy into the book, or you might borrow a spellbook from another wizard. When you obtain a scroll for the purposes of expanding your own spellbook, you pay the usual market price for the scroll, as noted in Chapter 7 of the Dungeon Master’s Guide. If you borrow someone else’s book, the usual price for each spell you copy is 50 gp per spell level. Also, you can research a new spell, see Chapter 2 in the Dungeon Master’s Guide. Writing a spell into a Boccob’s blessed book takes the same amount of time as writing it into a regular spellbook (24 hours), and the task requires the same Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell level) you need to copy the spell into a regular (see page 179 in the Player’s Handbook).
Emrick Blackthorn 02-25-05, 07:22 AM	... it is plainly obvious that this is a 3 edition specific forum ... Wow, being vindictive to people helping you - Nice earning of brownie points there! Colm~ Really! Besides, I see many other people making reference to other editions in here. Plus, I just got done looking at 3.0 about the book and it has the same info on it as does 2ed. The price of 95,000 gp is the market value of the book (blank with no spells in it), not how much it cost to make it. It looks like the CHILD (and yes, that's what you're acting like with the name calling) is just looking to save some gp's. ~Emrick
Delglath the Undying 02-25-05, 06:56 PM	But it's not going to get any because the question was answered in the FAQ. Pity WotC conflates the concepts clarification and repair. Thanks. I looked for a FAQ too but couldn't find it.
primemover003 02-25-05, 07:03 PM	But to be honest a 2nd ed. rules response is about as helpful as giving advice about a Commadore Vic 20 to a WindowsXP user. We can easily talk 2E fluff, but not really rules.
Delglath the Undying 02-25-05, 07:06 PM	The market price in 3.5 is actually 12,500gp. The price in the 3.0 DMG is 9,500. The combined total of having scribed 1,000 pages worth of spells into the book is 100,000gp. Thus by creating this tome, and paying half market value, you are, over the life-time of the book saving 93,750gp, assuming 3.5 ed rules are being used. Not to mention the fact that a normal spellbook only has 100 pages and thus to equal the amount of spells in a Boccob's Blessed Book, you would have to carry around ten normal spellbooks.