BoED allows for silly AC ? [Archive] - Wizards Community

BoED allows for silly AC ? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
pog
03-22-04, 05:30 PM Just bought BoED ( hence my posts ). Just messing about with it and saw that a monk with 18 dex, 18 wis ( not so crazy as you might think - see feats below ) could have an AC of 37+ by 8th level ( 6th monk +2LA from being a saint ).

Isn't this a bit silly??

Esp if we add dodge bonuses from race ( gnomes ) or feats ( dodge, psi dodge ), size ( small ) or other feats, spells or psi powers ( combat precog, extra nat armour etc. )

[ for those interested:

+4 unamed monk wisdom AC bonus
+4 dex bonus
+1 unamed 5th level AC bonus
VoPov + VoPeace +8 exalted AC bonus
VoPov + VoPeace +3 deflection AC bonus
VoPov + VoPeace +3 nat armour AC bonus
Saintly insight wis based AC bonus + 4 ]
Willie the Duck
03-22-04, 07:03 PM you are aware that saint is a template that no PC could ever hope to hang onto?

I feel dirty just responding to this.:rolleyes:
Jaerom Darkwind
03-22-04, 08:30 PM Originally posted by Willie the Duck
you are aware that saint is a template that no PC could ever hope to hang onto?

I feel dirty just responding to this.:rolleyes: Well, a PC could hold onto it, but only if he spent about a half hour contemplating the repurcussions of every statement he makes and every step he takes *shudders from repressed gaming memories* I hate exalted characters sometimes.
Tigald
03-23-04, 11:31 AM Playing a saint requires a lot of rolepaying and it restricts you very much. You can lose your sainthood very quick if you don't act properly

Tigald
Princeoflowlight
03-23-04, 10:35 PM There are other ways to get silly armor class, like my Exalted Gnome Evoker proved last week:
10 base
+1 Size
+3 Dex
+12 Greater Luminous Armor (effectively)
+4 Shield
+2 Magic Circle Against Evil

32 AC by level 7. Not bad for a caster.
Artoomis
03-24-04, 07:11 PM Originally posted by Willie the Duck
you are aware that saint is a template that no PC could ever hope to hang onto?

I feel dirty just responding to this.:rolleyes:

It is really no more difficult to stay a "Saint" than it is to remain "Exalted."

It is, however, quite difficult to become a Saint. You need two DM judgement calls - one on past behavior in genral and one on the sacrifice you make that is rewarded with sainthood.

Rereading the Saint template leads me to beleive it might bea really cool addition to our short-term Epic campaign. It would actually give my character 14 more AC from wisdom - making it 59, IIRC - possibly as early as at current levels - 20th.

Some of the powers would be duplicates, but what the heck, it's such a cool idea I think I'll propose it to my DM.
Massawyrm
03-24-04, 07:26 PM Note that this is with Vow of Peace...making him hard to hit, yes, but also keeping him from doing the types of things you would most often want to do with a Monk with a 38 AC.

And while we're looking at it, the idea of a peaceful martial artist who cannot be hit isn't all that strange.
Artoomis
03-24-04, 08:04 PM Originally posted by Massawyrm
Note that this is with Vow of Peace...making him hard to hit, yes, but also keeping him from doing the types of things you would most often want to do with a Monk with a 38 AC.

And while we're looking at it, the idea of a peaceful martial artist who cannot be hit isn't all that strange.

Quite right. In fact, an excellent build for a monk is to focus on defensive things. You have to decide how that works in combat, but it is possible to be very hard to hit and very hard to affect with magic.
pog
03-26-04, 01:45 PM I think the thing that made me start this thread was the realisation that the Saint AC bonus stacks with the Monk AC bonus, basically granting double your WIS bonus to AC.

Very abusable that. A quick glance at some of the optimization threads reveals the sort of things that can be done - esp. considering that the saint is only +2LA and has an awesome array of other qualities and abilities.
ZombieTonyBlair
03-26-04, 02:10 PM First of all, I like the term "silly" in describing the situation.

Secondly, I don't think it's a bad thing for a character to be able to get a really high AC by giving up all the options and fun that such a character would have to give up.

Thirdly, the DM should be making a lot more attack rolls than the player and 1 in 20 should be an auto hit.
faer1
03-28-04, 03:33 AM Be a warforged. Take the feat Mithral Laced Frame at first level. +5 armor bonus to AC. Though they get -2 to wis.
Count Arioch the 28th
03-28-04, 11:34 AM I might be incorrect on this, but doesn't mythril laced feat count as light armor? Which means that a warforged monk loses his wis to AC, and suffers ASF on his abilities?

All I know about the warforged is from Dragon, and they aren't that clear.
ZombieTonyBlair
04-01-04, 04:16 PM If you're warforged, your wearing metal armor, I don't think you can even get it removed. I guess the DM could let you take a feat to have your armor made out of wood instead of metal, or maybe just let you have it without a feat.
Count Arioch the 28th
04-01-04, 08:28 PM I beleive that the warforged +2 armor bonus doesn't count as armor if you're a warforged monk, or count as metal armor if you're a warforged druid, according to the dragon article.

I just think you can't improve the armor without it counting against druid or monk abilities.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
pog 03-22-04, 05:30 PM	Just bought BoED ( hence my posts ). Just messing about with it and saw that a monk with 18 dex, 18 wis ( not so crazy as you might think - see feats below ) could have an AC of 37+ by 8th level ( 6th monk +2LA from being a saint ). Isn't this a bit silly?? Esp if we add dodge bonuses from race ( gnomes ) or feats ( dodge, psi dodge ), size ( small ) or other feats, spells or psi powers ( combat precog, extra nat armour etc. ) [ for those interested: +4 unamed monk wisdom AC bonus +4 dex bonus +1 unamed 5th level AC bonus VoPov + VoPeace +8 exalted AC bonus VoPov + VoPeace +3 deflection AC bonus VoPov + VoPeace +3 nat armour AC bonus Saintly insight wis based AC bonus + 4 ]
Willie the Duck 03-22-04, 07:03 PM	you are aware that saint is a template that no PC could ever hope to hang onto? I feel dirty just responding to this.:rolleyes:
Jaerom Darkwind 03-22-04, 08:30 PM	Originally posted by Willie the Duck you are aware that saint is a template that no PC could ever hope to hang onto? I feel dirty just responding to this.:rolleyes: Well, a PC could hold onto it, but only if he spent about a half hour contemplating the repurcussions of every statement he makes and every step he takes shudders from repressed gaming memories I hate exalted characters sometimes.
Tigald 03-23-04, 11:31 AM	Playing a saint requires a lot of rolepaying and it restricts you very much. You can lose your sainthood very quick if you don't act properly Tigald
Princeoflowlight 03-23-04, 10:35 PM	There are other ways to get silly armor class, like my Exalted Gnome Evoker proved last week: 10 base +1 Size +3 Dex +12 Greater Luminous Armor (effectively) +4 Shield +2 Magic Circle Against Evil 32 AC by level 7. Not bad for a caster.
Artoomis 03-24-04, 07:11 PM	Originally posted by Willie the Duck you are aware that saint is a template that no PC could ever hope to hang onto? I feel dirty just responding to this.:rolleyes: It is really no more difficult to stay a "Saint" than it is to remain "Exalted." It is, however, quite difficult to become a Saint. You need two DM judgement calls - one on past behavior in genral and one on the sacrifice you make that is rewarded with sainthood. Rereading the Saint template leads me to beleive it might bea really cool addition to our short-term Epic campaign. It would actually give my character 14 more AC from wisdom - making it 59, IIRC - possibly as early as at current levels - 20th. Some of the powers would be duplicates, but what the heck, it's such a cool idea I think I'll propose it to my DM.
Massawyrm 03-24-04, 07:26 PM	Note that this is with Vow of Peace...making him hard to hit, yes, but also keeping him from doing the types of things you would most often want to do with a Monk with a 38 AC. And while we're looking at it, the idea of a peaceful martial artist who cannot be hit isn't all that strange.
Artoomis 03-24-04, 08:04 PM	Originally posted by Massawyrm Note that this is with Vow of Peace...making him hard to hit, yes, but also keeping him from doing the types of things you would most often want to do with a Monk with a 38 AC. And while we're looking at it, the idea of a peaceful martial artist who cannot be hit isn't all that strange. Quite right. In fact, an excellent build for a monk is to focus on defensive things. You have to decide how that works in combat, but it is possible to be very hard to hit and very hard to affect with magic.
pog 03-26-04, 01:45 PM	I think the thing that made me start this thread was the realisation that the Saint AC bonus stacks with the Monk AC bonus, basically granting double your WIS bonus to AC. Very abusable that. A quick glance at some of the optimization threads reveals the sort of things that can be done - esp. considering that the saint is only +2LA and has an awesome array of other qualities and abilities.
ZombieTonyBlair 03-26-04, 02:10 PM	First of all, I like the term "silly" in describing the situation. Secondly, I don't think it's a bad thing for a character to be able to get a really high AC by giving up all the options and fun that such a character would have to give up. Thirdly, the DM should be making a lot more attack rolls than the player and 1 in 20 should be an auto hit.
faer1 03-28-04, 03:33 AM	Be a warforged. Take the feat Mithral Laced Frame at first level. +5 armor bonus to AC. Though they get -2 to wis.
Count Arioch the 28th 03-28-04, 11:34 AM	I might be incorrect on this, but doesn't mythril laced feat count as light armor? Which means that a warforged monk loses his wis to AC, and suffers ASF on his abilities? All I know about the warforged is from Dragon, and they aren't that clear.
ZombieTonyBlair 04-01-04, 04:16 PM	If you're warforged, your wearing metal armor, I don't think you can even get it removed. I guess the DM could let you take a feat to have your armor made out of wood instead of metal, or maybe just let you have it without a feat.
Count Arioch the 28th 04-01-04, 08:28 PM	I beleive that the warforged +2 armor bonus doesn't count as armor if you're a warforged monk, or count as metal armor if you're a warforged druid, according to the dragon article. I just think you can't improve the armor without it counting against druid or monk abilities.