Can a low-level characther become a god? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Can a low-level characther become a god? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Bartmanhomer
11-15-05, 07:28 PM Is it possible a low-level characther become a god?
weasel fierce
11-15-05, 07:28 PM If your DM says so
Seeker95
11-15-05, 07:32 PM In my game, sure.
Especially if I need another NPC.

DM: Your low-level PC becomes a god.
Player: Cool! What do I get?
DM: A blank character sheet.
Player: What's this for?
DM: Your new character. Start rolling.
Bartmanhomer
11-15-05, 07:46 PM Really, How do they become one in a low-level?
Darth_Azalin
11-15-05, 07:54 PM Basically to become a god.. you need people to not only follow you but worship you....

A PC could gain Hero status easy (practically known as Epic level) then the next step is accession where you become a demi-god.. which is very dangerous since the only avatar you have is you. So unless you have a worship base of near lesser, I wouldn't try it.. But then again if people worship you, you can't stop gaining power.. Its almost like the Mist of Ravenloft or the Mob (in our day) they want you they will take you.
weasel fierce
11-15-05, 07:54 PM Really, if your DM says so.

There's no fixed rule
a_psh
11-15-05, 08:02 PM There are half-assed rules for gods.

There are no explicit, definite, purely mechanical ways to achieve divinity, though.

As we all know, the DM can do anything. In this case, these is no default method, so the ONLY way to become a god is for the DM to make up something himself (this is as it should be). In that context, it's strictly up to the DM to decide whether levels matter or not.

* - I say "half-assed" because, while they look very intricate and specific, most of them are actually just saying "Meh, you can do whatever the hell you want," and because gods are effectively unplayable for PCs (I don't mind) and, well, let's face it, if you have a bunch of mortal PCs interacting with an NPC whose stats say things like "knows everything that will happen N weeks into the future" or "can kill with a thought," the stats are pretty darn moot.
Rocketboy13
11-15-05, 08:27 PM If you could kill a god, you could assume his/her/its portfolio and take its place. Though I can think of no situation in which a god would allow that to happen. :thinks:
caeruleus
11-15-05, 09:11 PM If you could kill a god, you could assume his/her/its portfolio and take its place. Though I can think of no situation in which a god would allow that to happen. :thinks:

A god of god-slaying may command that he be slain by his worshippers. Just off the top of my head.
BlaineTog
11-15-05, 09:46 PM A low level character can indeed become a god.

This character is known as Pun-Pun. I hear tell that they eventually get it down from a 12th level psion to a 6th level wizard.
Nialo
11-15-05, 09:46 PM There's no fixed rule for attaining divinity; you don't reach level 60 and say 'woo-hoo, I'm a god!' even though you may rival one in power, you're still not a literal god.

Although divinity in D&D I've always found funny, because for the most part in the real world we think of anything god-like as having infinite powers well beyond our own, yet in D&D we try to quantify them so they can be killed, and personify them and communicate with them as near-equals via clerical spells or traveling to their plane and paying them a visit at their palaces. Truthfully a DM can never really properly roleplay a God because they're supposed to be far beyond us in nearly all facaulties so the concept of divinity in D&D is already kinda flawed, its just another level of raw power.
Darth_Azalin
11-15-05, 11:52 PM About killing a god and assuming its domains...

Something like the Time of Troubles comes to mind...

And how many mortals were actually Mystra?
Bartmanhomer
11-16-05, 05:51 PM Basically to become a god.. you need people to not only follow you but worship you....

A PC could gain Hero status easy (practically known as Epic level) then the next step is accession where you become a demi-god.. which is very dangerous since the only avatar you have is you. So unless you have a worship base of near lesser, I wouldn't try it.. But then again if people worship you, you can't stop gaining power.. Its almost like the Mist of Ravenloft or the Mob (in our day) they want you they will take you.

Just one question, how do they gain hero status?
Callahan
11-16-05, 06:00 PM there are no set mechanics for becomming a god. Anyone can do it within reason.

There are examples, such as doing something fantastic like mastering every spell school ever created or by overcomming nearly impossible odds such as surviving after injesting every poison ever created... or just killing an existing god and taking over his/her/it's power.
Tristan
11-16-05, 08:34 PM yea, a low level character can become a god, buy gaining levels.

but seriously, a level 100 sorcerer could probably kill anything at a whim, create anything, and would be immortal
Scipion Emilien
11-16-05, 08:51 PM Basically to become a god.. you need people to not only follow you but worship you....

A PC could gain Hero status easy (practically known as Epic level) then the next step is accession where you become a demi-god.. which is very dangerous since the only avatar you have is you. So unless you have a worship base of near lesser, I wouldn't try it.. But then again if people worship you, you can't stop gaining power.. Its almost like the Mist of Ravenloft or the Mob (in our day) they want you they will take you.

You go by the assumption that the worship of people will make you more powerful, which is true into only one campaign setting (Forgotten Realms) and we don t know into which one did he play.
Wharin
11-16-05, 09:05 PM For what its worth, there was this underground fantasy-based comic back a few years ago called "Replacement Gods", where the heir-apparant to the deific throne of war was nothing but a in-jail, outta jail thief who can't really exceed at anything other than not die (I would stat this out as a low level rogue).
Darth_Azalin
11-17-05, 12:49 AM You go by the assumption that the worship of people will make you more powerful, which is true into only one campaign setting (Forgotten Realms) and we don t know into which one did he play.

But then again with the worship of people making you more powerful they kinda toss that out with the Silence of Lloth and her gaining Greater status...

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Bartmanhomer 11-15-05, 07:28 PM	Is it possible a low-level characther become a god?
weasel fierce 11-15-05, 07:28 PM	If your DM says so
Seeker95 11-15-05, 07:32 PM	In my game, sure. Especially if I need another NPC. DM: Your low-level PC becomes a god. Player: Cool! What do I get? DM: A blank character sheet. Player: What's this for? DM: Your new character. Start rolling.
Bartmanhomer 11-15-05, 07:46 PM	Really, How do they become one in a low-level?
Darth_Azalin 11-15-05, 07:54 PM	Basically to become a god.. you need people to not only follow you but worship you.... A PC could gain Hero status easy (practically known as Epic level) then the next step is accession where you become a demi-god.. which is very dangerous since the only avatar you have is you. So unless you have a worship base of near lesser, I wouldn't try it.. But then again if people worship you, you can't stop gaining power.. Its almost like the Mist of Ravenloft or the Mob (in our day) they want you they will take you.
weasel fierce 11-15-05, 07:54 PM	Really, if your DM says so. There's no fixed rule
a_psh 11-15-05, 08:02 PM	There are half-assed rules for gods. There are no explicit, definite, purely mechanical ways to achieve divinity, though. As we all know, the DM can do anything. In this case, these is no default method, so the ONLY way to become a god is for the DM to make up something himself (this is as it should be). In that context, it's strictly up to the DM to decide whether levels matter or not. * - I say "half-assed" because, while they look very intricate and specific, most of them are actually just saying "Meh, you can do whatever the hell you want," and because gods are effectively unplayable for PCs (I don't mind) and, well, let's face it, if you have a bunch of mortal PCs interacting with an NPC whose stats say things like "knows everything that will happen N weeks into the future" or "can kill with a thought," the stats are pretty darn moot.
Rocketboy13 11-15-05, 08:27 PM	If you could kill a god, you could assume his/her/its portfolio and take its place. Though I can think of no situation in which a god would allow that to happen. :thinks:
caeruleus 11-15-05, 09:11 PM	If you could kill a god, you could assume his/her/its portfolio and take its place. Though I can think of no situation in which a god would allow that to happen. :thinks: A god of god-slaying may command that he be slain by his worshippers. Just off the top of my head.
BlaineTog 11-15-05, 09:46 PM	A low level character can indeed become a god. This character is known as Pun-Pun. I hear tell that they eventually get it down from a 12th level psion to a 6th level wizard.
Nialo 11-15-05, 09:46 PM	There's no fixed rule for attaining divinity; you don't reach level 60 and say 'woo-hoo, I'm a god!' even though you may rival one in power, you're still not a literal god. Although divinity in D&D I've always found funny, because for the most part in the real world we think of anything god-like as having infinite powers well beyond our own, yet in D&D we try to quantify them so they can be killed, and personify them and communicate with them as near-equals via clerical spells or traveling to their plane and paying them a visit at their palaces. Truthfully a DM can never really properly roleplay a God because they're supposed to be far beyond us in nearly all facaulties so the concept of divinity in D&D is already kinda flawed, its just another level of raw power.
Darth_Azalin 11-15-05, 11:52 PM	About killing a god and assuming its domains... Something like the Time of Troubles comes to mind... And how many mortals were actually Mystra?
Bartmanhomer 11-16-05, 05:51 PM	Basically to become a god.. you need people to not only follow you but worship you.... A PC could gain Hero status easy (practically known as Epic level) then the next step is accession where you become a demi-god.. which is very dangerous since the only avatar you have is you. So unless you have a worship base of near lesser, I wouldn't try it.. But then again if people worship you, you can't stop gaining power.. Its almost like the Mist of Ravenloft or the Mob (in our day) they want you they will take you. Just one question, how do they gain hero status?
Callahan 11-16-05, 06:00 PM	there are no set mechanics for becomming a god. Anyone can do it within reason. There are examples, such as doing something fantastic like mastering every spell school ever created or by overcomming nearly impossible odds such as surviving after injesting every poison ever created... or just killing an existing god and taking over his/her/it's power.
Tristan 11-16-05, 08:34 PM	yea, a low level character can become a god, buy gaining levels. but seriously, a level 100 sorcerer could probably kill anything at a whim, create anything, and would be immortal
Scipion Emilien 11-16-05, 08:51 PM	Basically to become a god.. you need people to not only follow you but worship you.... A PC could gain Hero status easy (practically known as Epic level) then the next step is accession where you become a demi-god.. which is very dangerous since the only avatar you have is you. So unless you have a worship base of near lesser, I wouldn't try it.. But then again if people worship you, you can't stop gaining power.. Its almost like the Mist of Ravenloft or the Mob (in our day) they want you they will take you. You go by the assumption that the worship of people will make you more powerful, which is true into only one campaign setting (Forgotten Realms) and we don t know into which one did he play.
Wharin 11-16-05, 09:05 PM	For what its worth, there was this underground fantasy-based comic back a few years ago called "Replacement Gods", where the heir-apparant to the deific throne of war was nothing but a in-jail, outta jail thief who can't really exceed at anything other than not die (I would stat this out as a low level rogue).
Darth_Azalin 11-17-05, 12:49 AM	You go by the assumption that the worship of people will make you more powerful, which is true into only one campaign setting (Forgotten Realms) and we don t know into which one did he play. But then again with the worship of people making you more powerful they kinda toss that out with the Silence of Lloth and her gaining Greater status...