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Can you kill this? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Mestar
04-28-08, 03:13 AM Me and a friend were really bored today and thinking of the easiest way to make something immune to death.

There's the half red/gold dragon troll voidmind. Immune to fire and acid and everything else does subdual damage. (Does that apply to something like Disintegrate? It deals subdual, not lethal, so it couldn't kill a troll no matter how much damage it does?) But that doesn't stop death effects... Now, if it were undead somehow, that would make it immune to everything but turning and death to undeath. This would include all damage because it's all subdual which undead are immune to.

Or maybe a Wendigo that is somehow immune to fire and death affects.

Any thoughts?
Bedeverekm
04-28-08, 03:38 AM Hmm. Wouldn't a polymorph type spell strip it of a lot of its special abilities?

You want something immune to dying, then just give the tarrasque 24 levels or so, and have it take the epic feats Spell immunity: wish, and Spell immunity: Miracle.

(edit) Oh, I also just remembered an incredibly appropriate quote, from the late, great (and fictional) Gary Jackson.

If it has stats, we can kill it
Orchomenos
04-28-08, 11:23 AM DOes it breath? Can you drown it?

Does it dig? Can you teleport it to some closed cave on the Elemental Plane of Earth?
Edymnion
04-28-08, 01:21 PM If its not undead, it still needs to breath. Just grapple and hold it underwater until the bubbles stop. Drowning doesn't deal damage, it just makes you go dead.

If it is undead or otherwise doesn't need to breath, just Teleport it to the bottom of the ocean. 1d6 pressure damage per minute per 100 feet of depth. At average ocean depth, thats over 300d6 damage per minute that no immunity can protect from.
Mestar
04-29-08, 01:37 AM If its not undead, it still needs to breath. Just grapple and hold it underwater until the bubbles stop. Drowning doesn't deal damage, it just makes you go dead.

If it is undead or otherwise doesn't need to breath, just Teleport it to the bottom of the ocean. 1d6 pressure damage per minute per 100 feet of depth. At average ocean depth, thats over 300d6 damage per minute that no immunity can protect from.

Actually, that can be taken care of by feats from the Lords of Madness book. One let's you breath underwater and you're immune to cold damage (from cold water) and pressure damage. (iirc)
runestar
04-29-08, 01:40 AM Planeshift it to the positive energy plane?
Mestar
04-29-08, 02:19 AM Well, there's always the 1/2 golem from the MM2 that gives you spell immunities based on the golem. Immune to all spells that allow SR would prevent a lot of spells from harming you... toss it onto a troll...

Be immune to anything that has Spell Resistance. Let's assume you failed your save (willingly) and are now Neutral evil so you have the Construct type.

You're only weakness would be Fire and Acid...

If you were a Crystaline Troll and were only hurt by Sonic damage... and became a 1/2 Emerald Dragon *Before* having a golem arm/leg grafted onto you...
Shaggy_Shaggs
04-29-08, 02:27 AM Actually, that can be taken care of by feats from the Lords of Madness book. One let's you breath underwater and you're immune to cold damage (from cold water) and pressure damage. (iirc)

You recall incorrectly. Neither of those feats will protect you from pressure damage.
Mestar
04-29-08, 02:50 AM You recall incorrectly. Neither of those feats will protect you from pressure damage.

I guess it's a good thing that the half golem Crystalline troll would be immune to teleport.
Shaggy_Shaggs
04-29-08, 03:01 AM Yeah, not so much to being greased and bull rushed through a gate, though.
Frozen Yakman
04-29-08, 10:08 AM Knock it unconscious using regular means and then rip its head off.
setekh
04-29-08, 10:41 AM Undead cannot regenerate.

A 10th Level Pale master, however, is immune to subdual damage, amongst other things.
lunoc
04-29-08, 12:07 PM Yeah, not so much to being greased and bull rushed through a gate, though.

this looks like a job for the space robots
Eerongal
04-29-08, 12:14 PM Undead cannot regenerate.

Yup, if for any reason you lose your CON score, you lose regeneration.

Relevant quote:

Regeneration
Creatures with this extraordinary ability recover from wounds quickly and can even regrow or reattach severed body parts. Damage dealt to the creature is treated as nonlethal damage, and the creature automatically cures itself of nonlethal damage at a fixed rate per round, as given in the creature’s entry.

Certain attack forms, typically fire and acid, deal damage to the creature normally; that sort of damage doesn’t convert to nonlethal damage and so doesn’t go away. The creature’s description includes the details. A regenerating creature that has been rendered unconscious through nonlethal damage can be killed with a coup de grace. The attack cannot be of a type that automatically converts to nonlethal damage.

Creatures with regeneration can regrow lost portions of their bodies and can reattach severed limbs or body parts. Severed parts die if they are not reattached.

Regeneration does not restore hit points lost from starvation, thirst, or suffocation.

Attack forms that don’t deal hit point damage ignore regeneration.

An attack that can cause instant death only threatens the creature with death if it is delivered by weapons that deal it lethal damage.

A creature must have a Constitution score to have the regeneration ability.
Sinfire Titan
04-29-08, 12:57 PM I can kill it with a full-round action or two. I need:

3 wands of Orb of Fire (CL15th)
1 Rod of Many Wands
Searing Spell Metamagic (+0)
Blistering Spell Metamagic (+0)
Fiery Spell Metamagic (+0)
Violate Spell Metamagic (+0)
Empower Spell Metamagic (+1)
Twin Spell Metamagic (+3)
Arcane Thesis (Orb of Fire)
Metamagic Spell Trigger (be it the feat or from an Artificer)

3 Orbs of Searing, Blistering, Fiery, Empowered Orbs of Fire deal an average of:

15d6 (CL 15th) x 3= 45d6 fire
+8 Fire damage x 3=24 points of extra Fire damage
+50% from Empower= 236+24
+1/d6 of Fire damage= 67 points of extra Fire damage
Divide by 2 because it is immune to Fire (either Searing or Fiery spell allow it to deal 1/2 damage to Fire immune creatures). No immunity to this fire damage means it cannot regenerate from the damage.

x2 from Twin spell.

=

327 points of Fire damage/full-round action.

Average HP varies from age category of the dragon in question. Each use of this expends 11 charges from each wand. 1/2 of the damage is Vile, and thus cannot be healed unless it is in a Hallowed area (or whatever the other spell is that heals Vile damage). Given 2 rounds, it will be dead outright.
lunoc
04-29-08, 01:17 PM dont some dragons generaly have more than 300 hp?
Auspex7
04-29-08, 01:36 PM You want something immune to dying, then just give the tarrasque 24 levels or so, and have it take the epic feats Spell immunity: wish, and Spell immunity: Miracle.

this is exactly what popped into my head when i read the OP.
VrecknidjX
04-29-08, 03:36 PM Force it to read a bunch of threads on things that are impossible to kill and it might die from boredom.

;)

Dave
Sinfire Titan
04-29-08, 05:16 PM dont some dragons generaly have more than 300 hp?

Yes. Which is why you would do my trick two or three times. The highest HP of a Gold Dragon presented in the Draconomicon is about 590-620. Add in the extra Con, that about 700 HP. So two or three shots, if you roll out all of the dice, should do the trick. If you just take the average damage, then it is about three or four shots before it dies. A party of nothing but Wizards could do this in one round.
Mestar
04-30-08, 01:23 AM I'm open to ideas. I'm pretty irritated with how my DM keeps killing me. My UD necropolitan rogue was just killed by an implosion spell >.<

I just wanna live...
zeratulcraft
04-30-08, 01:31 AM Pun Pun can kill everything.
Sinfire Titan
04-30-08, 03:13 AM I'm open to ideas. I'm pretty irritated with how my DM keeps killing me. My UD necropolitan rogue was just killed by an implosion spell >.<

I just wanna live...

Build it stronger. Undead+Rogue=Death by Disintegrate. If the SoDs are hitting you, optimize your saves while still being effective. If the creatures are hitting you, play it smart and make it where they can't get close enough to hit you (not boost your AC through the roof). If traps are what are killing you off, then buy a Bag of Tricks (gray) and have the animals that appear run down the hallway/open the doors for you, or get mindless undead to do it.

And if it is simply the DM, then take it to Theoretical, and don't let him know until it is way too late.
Mestar
05-01-08, 02:45 AM Well, I was thinking a half-golem curst with levels of something for acid immunity... but those suggestions work too.

And with the Implosion kill... I had a 35 hide check spotted by a Death Slaad.
Mestar
05-01-08, 03:26 AM Well, I was thinking a half-golem curst with levels of something for acid immunity... but those suggestions work too.

And with the Implosion kill... I had a 35 hide check spotted by a Death Slaad.

How this sound. Born human. At some point have clay golem arms attached to you. (1/2 golem - mm2). Then later cursed and turned into a curst (Monsters of Faerun/Lost Empires of Faerun) . All the while following the way of the Green Dragon. 9 levels of Dragon Shaman (phb2) (green dragon) = Acid immunity.

All for +8str -2dex -10int -6wis and -8cha >.<

Maybe swallow an item that has a use-activated antimagic field to escape the Force Cages.
otakutaylor
05-01-08, 03:57 AM Doesn't really matter what the thing is, throw a big enough rock at it and it'll die.

If it has some "dodge damage" ability, throw more rocks. you'll run out of abilities before I run out of rocks.
Sunic_Flames
05-01-08, 10:09 AM Doesn't really matter what the thing is, throw a big enough rock at it and it'll die.

If it has some "dodge damage" ability, throw more rocks. you'll run out of abilities before I run out of rocks.

Ah, the Hulking Hurler solution. :P
otakutaylor
05-01-08, 02:08 PM Ah, the Hulking Hurler solution.

Though a good guess, no actually. Earth Shugenja (or a general wizard or cleric would do) With Shape Earth. A hulking hurler can't throw a big enough rock for me, so I have to use magic to make a big enough rock. And I just so happened to make it far far above your head, and a football field wide.

Heheh
Sunic_Flames
05-01-08, 02:17 PM Though a good guess, no actually. Earth Shugenja (or a general wizard or cleric would do) With Shape Earth. A hulking hurler can't throw a big enough rock for me, so I have to use magic to make a big enough rock. And I just so happened to make it far far above your head, and a football field wide.

Heheh

:OMG!
Mestar
05-01-08, 05:15 PM Er. Actually Curst can only be killed by completely destroying body in acid ( lvl 9 Green Dragon Shaman fixes that) or by a spell such as Disintegrate, Undeath to Death, or Remove Curse (which 1/2 golem prevents).

In case of dropping a mountain on him... he can still breath acid.
Shaggy_Shaggs
05-01-08, 05:19 PM Though a good guess, no actually. Earth Shugenja (or a general wizard or cleric would do) With Shape Earth. A hulking hurler can't throw a big enough rock for me, so I have to use magic to make a big enough rock. And I just so happened to make it far far above your head, and a football field wide.

Heheh:OMG!To be fair, SF, he's probably thinking of a plain hulking hurler, not a warhulking hurler with size and strength boosts that can throw Pluto.
Shaggy_Shaggs
05-01-08, 05:22 PM Curst doesn't work. You can't be undead and have regeneration. Without regeneration, curst is nothing. Just one more screwup in 3.0 (sad too, I liked the idea of the curst, wish the execution were done right).
Mestar
05-02-08, 11:35 PM Curst doesn't work. You can't be undead and have regeneration. Without regeneration, curst is nothing. Just one more screwup in 3.0 (sad too, I liked the idea of the curst, wish the execution were done right).

It doesn't have regeneration. It has teh "Unkillable" trait. Does the same as Regeneration, but named differently.
**Edit**

And it doesn't make all non-acid or non-fire damage subdual. You can still knock it to 0 and paralyze it. Luckily Dragon Shaman gives you fast healing when below 1/2 your max hp. Unless you're knocked out. Which UD can't be. Still works if you're Paralyzed though.
Darkuwa
05-03-08, 01:47 AM To be fair, SF, he's probably thinking of a plain hulking hurler, not a warhulking hurler with size and strength boosts that can throw Pluto.

Well, atleast it can't throw a planet... oh burn on pluto BURN!
lunoc
05-04-08, 01:19 PM easy solution, just ask around for the most "broken" combination of classes, feats, and abbilitys on the boards short of pun-pun, and you will litteraly eat your dm's campain. and be a jerk, probably.

seriously though, how many times have you died?
vardock
05-05-08, 10:15 AM you can teleport it to the void between worlds.
Mestar
05-24-08, 06:18 PM easy solution, just ask around for the most "broken" combination of classes, feats, and abbilitys on the boards short of pun-pun, and you will litteraly eat your dm's campain. and be a jerk, probably.

seriously though, how many times have you died?

I managed to die three times in one session.

I think I started off as a level 6 Sorcerer who managed to pull off 65hps and still died. Then I rolled a halfling who was unluckily crit and dealt massive damage by a barbarian who full power attacked and rolled two twenties with a greataxe. The halfling then was rezzed and killed by an AoE fear save twice or die. Don't remember the spell name. I was actually hiding and holding onto the bag of holding for the group... they never found my body to rez. I buried myself in the sand with a 43 hide check. The caster didn't know I was there either.

As for playing the "broken" character, they seem to think everything I do is broken. For some reason they think a thrikreen with Lightning Maces is broken. Even if said thrikreen has only a 17 AC and is level 15. And has 4 levels of fighter.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Mestar 04-28-08, 03:13 AM	Me and a friend were really bored today and thinking of the easiest way to make something immune to death. There's the half red/gold dragon troll voidmind. Immune to fire and acid and everything else does subdual damage. (Does that apply to something like Disintegrate? It deals subdual, not lethal, so it couldn't kill a troll no matter how much damage it does?) But that doesn't stop death effects... Now, if it were undead somehow, that would make it immune to everything but turning and death to undeath. This would include all damage because it's all subdual which undead are immune to. Or maybe a Wendigo that is somehow immune to fire and death affects. Any thoughts?
Bedeverekm 04-28-08, 03:38 AM	Hmm. Wouldn't a polymorph type spell strip it of a lot of its special abilities? You want something immune to dying, then just give the tarrasque 24 levels or so, and have it take the epic feats Spell immunity: wish, and Spell immunity: Miracle. (edit) Oh, I also just remembered an incredibly appropriate quote, from the late, great (and fictional) Gary Jackson. If it has stats, we can kill it
Orchomenos 04-28-08, 11:23 AM	DOes it breath? Can you drown it? Does it dig? Can you teleport it to some closed cave on the Elemental Plane of Earth?
Edymnion 04-28-08, 01:21 PM	If its not undead, it still needs to breath. Just grapple and hold it underwater until the bubbles stop. Drowning doesn't deal damage, it just makes you go dead. If it is undead or otherwise doesn't need to breath, just Teleport it to the bottom of the ocean. 1d6 pressure damage per minute per 100 feet of depth. At average ocean depth, thats over 300d6 damage per minute that no immunity can protect from.
Mestar 04-29-08, 01:37 AM	If its not undead, it still needs to breath. Just grapple and hold it underwater until the bubbles stop. Drowning doesn't deal damage, it just makes you go dead. If it is undead or otherwise doesn't need to breath, just Teleport it to the bottom of the ocean. 1d6 pressure damage per minute per 100 feet of depth. At average ocean depth, thats over 300d6 damage per minute that no immunity can protect from. Actually, that can be taken care of by feats from the Lords of Madness book. One let's you breath underwater and you're immune to cold damage (from cold water) and pressure damage. (iirc)
runestar 04-29-08, 01:40 AM	Planeshift it to the positive energy plane?
Mestar 04-29-08, 02:19 AM	Well, there's always the 1/2 golem from the MM2 that gives you spell immunities based on the golem. Immune to all spells that allow SR would prevent a lot of spells from harming you... toss it onto a troll... Be immune to anything that has Spell Resistance. Let's assume you failed your save (willingly) and are now Neutral evil so you have the Construct type. You're only weakness would be Fire and Acid... If you were a Crystaline Troll and were only hurt by Sonic damage... and became a 1/2 Emerald Dragon Before having a golem arm/leg grafted onto you...
Shaggy_Shaggs 04-29-08, 02:27 AM	Actually, that can be taken care of by feats from the Lords of Madness book. One let's you breath underwater and you're immune to cold damage (from cold water) and pressure damage. (iirc) You recall incorrectly. Neither of those feats will protect you from pressure damage.
Mestar 04-29-08, 02:50 AM	You recall incorrectly. Neither of those feats will protect you from pressure damage. I guess it's a good thing that the half golem Crystalline troll would be immune to teleport.
Shaggy_Shaggs 04-29-08, 03:01 AM	Yeah, not so much to being greased and bull rushed through a gate, though.
Frozen Yakman 04-29-08, 10:08 AM	Knock it unconscious using regular means and then rip its head off.
setekh 04-29-08, 10:41 AM	Undead cannot regenerate. A 10th Level Pale master, however, is immune to subdual damage, amongst other things.
lunoc 04-29-08, 12:07 PM	Yeah, not so much to being greased and bull rushed through a gate, though. this looks like a job for the space robots
Eerongal 04-29-08, 12:14 PM	Undead cannot regenerate. Yup, if for any reason you lose your CON score, you lose regeneration. Relevant quote: Regeneration Creatures with this extraordinary ability recover from wounds quickly and can even regrow or reattach severed body parts. Damage dealt to the creature is treated as nonlethal damage, and the creature automatically cures itself of nonlethal damage at a fixed rate per round, as given in the creature’s entry. Certain attack forms, typically fire and acid, deal damage to the creature normally; that sort of damage doesn’t convert to nonlethal damage and so doesn’t go away. The creature’s description includes the details. A regenerating creature that has been rendered unconscious through nonlethal damage can be killed with a coup de grace. The attack cannot be of a type that automatically converts to nonlethal damage. Creatures with regeneration can regrow lost portions of their bodies and can reattach severed limbs or body parts. Severed parts die if they are not reattached. Regeneration does not restore hit points lost from starvation, thirst, or suffocation. Attack forms that don’t deal hit point damage ignore regeneration. An attack that can cause instant death only threatens the creature with death if it is delivered by weapons that deal it lethal damage. A creature must have a Constitution score to have the regeneration ability.
Sinfire Titan 04-29-08, 12:57 PM	I can kill it with a full-round action or two. I need: 3 wands of Orb of Fire (CL15th) 1 Rod of Many Wands Searing Spell Metamagic (+0) Blistering Spell Metamagic (+0) Fiery Spell Metamagic (+0) Violate Spell Metamagic (+0) Empower Spell Metamagic (+1) Twin Spell Metamagic (+3) Arcane Thesis (Orb of Fire) Metamagic Spell Trigger (be it the feat or from an Artificer) 3 Orbs of Searing, Blistering, Fiery, Empowered Orbs of Fire deal an average of: 15d6 (CL 15th) x 3= 45d6 fire +8 Fire damage x 3=24 points of extra Fire damage +50% from Empower= 236+24 +1/d6 of Fire damage= 67 points of extra Fire damage Divide by 2 because it is immune to Fire (either Searing or Fiery spell allow it to deal 1/2 damage to Fire immune creatures). No immunity to this fire damage means it cannot regenerate from the damage. x2 from Twin spell. = 327 points of Fire damage/full-round action. Average HP varies from age category of the dragon in question. Each use of this expends 11 charges from each wand. 1/2 of the damage is Vile, and thus cannot be healed unless it is in a Hallowed area (or whatever the other spell is that heals Vile damage). Given 2 rounds, it will be dead outright.
lunoc 04-29-08, 01:17 PM	dont some dragons generaly have more than 300 hp?
Auspex7 04-29-08, 01:36 PM	You want something immune to dying, then just give the tarrasque 24 levels or so, and have it take the epic feats Spell immunity: wish, and Spell immunity: Miracle. this is exactly what popped into my head when i read the OP.
VrecknidjX 04-29-08, 03:36 PM	Force it to read a bunch of threads on things that are impossible to kill and it might die from boredom. ;) Dave
Sinfire Titan 04-29-08, 05:16 PM	dont some dragons generaly have more than 300 hp? Yes. Which is why you would do my trick two or three times. The highest HP of a Gold Dragon presented in the Draconomicon is about 590-620. Add in the extra Con, that about 700 HP. So two or three shots, if you roll out all of the dice, should do the trick. If you just take the average damage, then it is about three or four shots before it dies. A party of nothing but Wizards could do this in one round.
Mestar 04-30-08, 01:23 AM	I'm open to ideas. I'm pretty irritated with how my DM keeps killing me. My UD necropolitan rogue was just killed by an implosion spell >.< I just wanna live...
zeratulcraft 04-30-08, 01:31 AM	Pun Pun can kill everything.
Sinfire Titan 04-30-08, 03:13 AM	I'm open to ideas. I'm pretty irritated with how my DM keeps killing me. My UD necropolitan rogue was just killed by an implosion spell >.< I just wanna live... Build it stronger. Undead+Rogue=Death by Disintegrate. If the SoDs are hitting you, optimize your saves while still being effective. If the creatures are hitting you, play it smart and make it where they can't get close enough to hit you (not boost your AC through the roof). If traps are what are killing you off, then buy a Bag of Tricks (gray) and have the animals that appear run down the hallway/open the doors for you, or get mindless undead to do it. And if it is simply the DM, then take it to Theoretical, and don't let him know until it is way too late.
Mestar 05-01-08, 02:45 AM	Well, I was thinking a half-golem curst with levels of something for acid immunity... but those suggestions work too. And with the Implosion kill... I had a 35 hide check spotted by a Death Slaad.
Mestar 05-01-08, 03:26 AM	Well, I was thinking a half-golem curst with levels of something for acid immunity... but those suggestions work too. And with the Implosion kill... I had a 35 hide check spotted by a Death Slaad. How this sound. Born human. At some point have clay golem arms attached to you. (1/2 golem - mm2). Then later cursed and turned into a curst (Monsters of Faerun/Lost Empires of Faerun) . All the while following the way of the Green Dragon. 9 levels of Dragon Shaman (phb2) (green dragon) = Acid immunity. All for +8str -2dex -10int -6wis and -8cha >.< Maybe swallow an item that has a use-activated antimagic field to escape the Force Cages.
otakutaylor 05-01-08, 03:57 AM	Doesn't really matter what the thing is, throw a big enough rock at it and it'll die. If it has some "dodge damage" ability, throw more rocks. you'll run out of abilities before I run out of rocks.
Sunic_Flames 05-01-08, 10:09 AM	Doesn't really matter what the thing is, throw a big enough rock at it and it'll die. If it has some "dodge damage" ability, throw more rocks. you'll run out of abilities before I run out of rocks. Ah, the Hulking Hurler solution. :P
otakutaylor 05-01-08, 02:08 PM	Ah, the Hulking Hurler solution. Though a good guess, no actually. Earth Shugenja (or a general wizard or cleric would do) With Shape Earth. A hulking hurler can't throw a big enough rock for me, so I have to use magic to make a big enough rock. And I just so happened to make it far far above your head, and a football field wide. Heheh
Sunic_Flames 05-01-08, 02:17 PM	Though a good guess, no actually. Earth Shugenja (or a general wizard or cleric would do) With Shape Earth. A hulking hurler can't throw a big enough rock for me, so I have to use magic to make a big enough rock. And I just so happened to make it far far above your head, and a football field wide. Heheh :OMG!
Mestar 05-01-08, 05:15 PM	Er. Actually Curst can only be killed by completely destroying body in acid ( lvl 9 Green Dragon Shaman fixes that) or by a spell such as Disintegrate, Undeath to Death, or Remove Curse (which 1/2 golem prevents). In case of dropping a mountain on him... he can still breath acid.
Shaggy_Shaggs 05-01-08, 05:19 PM	Though a good guess, no actually. Earth Shugenja (or a general wizard or cleric would do) With Shape Earth. A hulking hurler can't throw a big enough rock for me, so I have to use magic to make a big enough rock. And I just so happened to make it far far above your head, and a football field wide. Heheh:OMG!To be fair, SF, he's probably thinking of a plain hulking hurler, not a warhulking hurler with size and strength boosts that can throw Pluto.
Shaggy_Shaggs 05-01-08, 05:22 PM	Curst doesn't work. You can't be undead and have regeneration. Without regeneration, curst is nothing. Just one more screwup in 3.0 (sad too, I liked the idea of the curst, wish the execution were done right).
Mestar 05-02-08, 11:35 PM	Curst doesn't work. You can't be undead and have regeneration. Without regeneration, curst is nothing. Just one more screwup in 3.0 (sad too, I liked the idea of the curst, wish the execution were done right). It doesn't have regeneration. It has teh "Unkillable" trait. Does the same as Regeneration, but named differently. Edit And it doesn't make all non-acid or non-fire damage subdual. You can still knock it to 0 and paralyze it. Luckily Dragon Shaman gives you fast healing when below 1/2 your max hp. Unless you're knocked out. Which UD can't be. Still works if you're Paralyzed though.
Darkuwa 05-03-08, 01:47 AM	To be fair, SF, he's probably thinking of a plain hulking hurler, not a warhulking hurler with size and strength boosts that can throw Pluto. Well, atleast it can't throw a planet... oh burn on pluto BURN!
lunoc 05-04-08, 01:19 PM	easy solution, just ask around for the most "broken" combination of classes, feats, and abbilitys on the boards short of pun-pun, and you will litteraly eat your dm's campain. and be a jerk, probably. seriously though, how many times have you died?
vardock 05-05-08, 10:15 AM	you can teleport it to the void between worlds.
Mestar 05-24-08, 06:18 PM	easy solution, just ask around for the most "broken" combination of classes, feats, and abbilitys on the boards short of pun-pun, and you will litteraly eat your dm's campain. and be a jerk, probably. seriously though, how many times have you died? I managed to die three times in one session. I think I started off as a level 6 Sorcerer who managed to pull off 65hps and still died. Then I rolled a halfling who was unluckily crit and dealt massive damage by a barbarian who full power attacked and rolled two twenties with a greataxe. The halfling then was rezzed and killed by an AoE fear save twice or die. Don't remember the spell name. I was actually hiding and holding onto the bag of holding for the group... they never found my body to rez. I buried myself in the sand with a 43 hide check. The caster didn't know I was there either. As for playing the "broken" character, they seem to think everything I do is broken. For some reason they think a thrikreen with Lightning Maces is broken. Even if said thrikreen has only a 17 AC and is level 15. And has 4 levels of fighter.