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imparooo 09-15-04, 04:47 AM	Hello everybody. I know the topic has been brought up before, but: am I right in assuming that Wisdom is "passive" whereas Charisma is "active"? Wisdom influences the Will save and the perception checks, and represents the awareness of the character. Charisma influences social interactions and the people-skills, and represents the force of personality of the character. This is a contradiction in terms: willpower and force of personality are not completely apart (but the system allows this, since you can have 6 Charisma and 25 Wisdom, or just the opposite - much more interesting, IMO!), are they? How are these stats (I have left out Intelligence, but it could be there as well) interrelated?
Fi'Irdray 09-15-04, 08:22 PM	they're not that interrelated... WIS is how you apply your intelligence (the Cleric figuring the best use of his spells throughout the day) and CHA is how you get along with/influence people (The rogue convincing guards that he's a friendly person... You can be able to apply your knowledge to all kinds of situations, and have no idea how to relate to people, likewise, you can be everyone's best friend, but still haven't caught on to the fact that sticking your hand in a fire hurts for a reason.
Moleculo 09-16-04, 12:55 AM	"Wisdom describes a character's willpower, common sense, perception, and intuition." "Charisma measures a character's force of personality, persuasiveness, personal magnetism, ability to lead, and physical attractiveness." Seems to me that Wisdom may not be passive so much as reflective and Charisma is more interactive than active. I don't think they're contradictory by any means. I know an individual or two with very strong personalities (Cha) who are well aware smoking is unhealthy (Int), but can't muster the willpower to quit (Wis). Your question hits right on the two characteristics most gamers struggle to roleplay well.
DylanW 09-16-04, 01:03 AM	Your question hits right on the two characteristics most gamers struggle to roleplay well. ... also the two characteristics most commonly used as "throwaway stats" ;P
allenchan 09-16-04, 01:08 AM	For me, Wisdom = Instincts and Common Sense, Charisma = Personality and Character. Most animals have good Wis scores, and low Cha scores, which makes sense when I look at it. I dont think they're interrelated whatsoever. In fact, they're completely UNrelated.
Moleculo 09-16-04, 01:10 AM	... also the two characteristics most commonly used as "throwaway stats" ;P Yeah... I wonder if there's a connection?? :confused:
Xerxal 09-16-04, 01:43 AM	I've always considered wisdom to be the inward expression of your intelligence. Essentially, how well you use the intelligence you have to better understand yourself. Through this enlightenment of the self, the quality of your perception of the world is hightened. Charisma, on the other hand is the outward expression of your intelligence. How well you use your intelligence to interact with the world around you. In addition, charisma affects how intelligent others percieve you to be. Similarly, intelligence rely's on both charisma and wisdom to be successful. Intelligence without wisdom would be lost, unable to relate what it knows to itself or the rest of the world. Intelligence without charisma would be unable to communicate or record it's knowledge in any comprehensible format. So, in other words, it's not too complicated if you spend your entire DnD career speculating as to what those two "dump stats" might mean. ;)
player1 09-16-04, 03:33 AM	low Wis/high Cha: Homer Simpson (although he has no good Int too)
imparooo 09-16-04, 08:10 AM	low Wis/high Cha: Homer Simpson (although he has no good Int too) High Int High Wis low Cha = Lisa Simpson? Low Int Low Wis High Cha = Bart Simpson? Low Int Low Wis Low Cha = Barney?
player1 09-17-04, 09:43 AM	Low Int Low Wis High Cha = Bart Simpson? Although even Bart is much more mature then Homer (wis).
imparooo 09-17-04, 10:25 AM	I would give Homer a 5, and Bart an 8.