Clerics of death and burial rights [Archive] - Wizards Community

Clerics of death and burial rights [Archive] - Wizards Community

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NecroticBanana
09-14-07, 01:33 AM do you think it would too much for a very devoted, yet VERY grim (lawful neutral) cleric of a death god (like Kelimavor) to insist upon entering every fallen foe into a respective grave, even if they were not worshippers of said death deity? i was playing this character and after a spectacular melee, begain on the task of digging dozens of graves for these goblinoids, insisting on "its the right thing to do" tho this would have taken days of work and slowed down the adventure's progress. do you think its too much roleplay? some of the other players seemed to understand but think its just overdoing it.
MrSpaceBear
09-14-07, 01:49 AM First off I want to say that Kelemvor is the coolest thing since baked bread.

Secondly, that is a cool concept and it fits with a good, nutral or lawful death god. However, to take days to burry your foes might bog the game down. Perhapse if you had linen death shrowds or face vales you took with you to drape over the fallen or just burn the bodies in a dignified manor. Or just perform rights over the ground they fell on.
One thing I thought was cool, in a game I played once, I was a death cleric of Kelemvor, a bad guy was cut down, I knelt over him and comforted him as he died.
Lady_Dragon
09-14-07, 05:03 AM I would say - yes, if there is time.

I was playing a cleric of Kelemvor myself recently, before the game died out (pun not intended). There was whole bunch of people that died in a shipwreck. She just covered them with stones. It's faster (slightly, anyway) than digging a grave.

Generally though, she didn't take the effort to perform any rites for enemies, because the party is just too impatient to wait for stuff like that. You can at least try to prevent them from defiling the corpses and whatnot.
Andorxor
09-14-07, 08:18 AM You could develop a spell that makes the burial much faster.You could go to every goblin give him the rites and than cast Mass Burial to sink them all in the ground
Seeker95
09-14-07, 08:37 AM do you think it would too much for a very devoted, yet VERY grim (lawful neutral) cleric of a death god (like Kelimavor) to insist upon entering every fallen foe into a respective grave, even if they were not worshipers of said death deity?In my last campaign, the monk and wizard were worshipers of Wee Jas and insisted upon burning the body of every opponent (or friend) they defeated with the head pointed north. We decided out of game that this was the proper method by which Wee Jas accepted the souls of the departed.

It caused a problem once, when, during the rare-in-my-campaign dungeon crawl, they did this to twenty bodies. The party forgot to evaluate air flow, and found themselves in a race against suffocation to reach the surface.

Neither of them would allow themselves to be resurrected (a vow that was tested once... only once).
Return of the Flumph
09-14-07, 12:26 PM Cremation or mass graves could make it a lot faster, especially if you expedited it with spells.
Vacerious
09-14-07, 12:46 PM First off I want to say that Kelemvor is the coolest thing since baked bread.

Duly noted, quoted, and agreed. Love the diety, his dogma, his domains. I just wish he wasn't specific to the FR campaign setting. Oh well.

I once had a cleric of Kelemvor that prevented the rest of the party from opening up and pilfering a stone casket by standing on top of it and refusing to get off. In general, a cleric of a death god performing burial rites for slain enemies isn't weird, just time consuming. I like the idea for a Mass Burial spell, I might just have to use that.
NecroticBanana
09-14-07, 06:10 PM hmmm well before i go and spend too much time brewing up a "mass inter" spell or is there something already exsisting?
Seeker95
09-14-07, 06:30 PM brewing up a "mass inter" spell or is there something already existing?earthquake :D
Or rock to mud -- mud to rock.

But perhaps before creating a mass inter, it would be good to create a solo version of it?
Disciple_of_Salsa
09-14-07, 06:57 PM If a mass burial spell was made, it would be a great hiding technique. Just lay down and bury yourself alive.
NecroticBanana
09-14-07, 08:10 PM earthquake :D
Or rock to mud -- mud to rock.

But perhaps before creating a mass inter, it would be good to create a solo version of it?

"animate shovel" lol
Andorxor
09-15-07, 01:02 AM If a mass burial spell was made, it would be a great hiding technique. Just lay down and bury yourself alive.

I think such a spell would have 1 corpse/Level as target .
angelus_obscura
09-21-07, 02:58 PM I totally agree with everythings said here so far. I am also playing a warrior priest of Kelemvor, and ran into this problem many times. Another way to expedite burial is to pray over the body, do the last rites, and either burn the bodies or melt them with acid. Our party had a thing about enemies being brought back (undead or alive) to 'haunt' us so our resident conjurer uses acid on every enemy the party slays.

What I would like to know is, what would a cleric of Kelemvor say during last rites? What are the clergy's aphorisms? Any ideas/quotes?
Lady_Dragon
09-21-07, 03:59 PM I wouldn't go so far as to RP the rites in full. But then, my group doesn't do a whole lot of roleplay.

Something I did do, though, was to do online and search for quotes related to death. I collected a bunch of good ones and printed them out. My intent was to throw them randomly into conversation OR they could work excellently as part of the rites mentioned.
Vacerious
09-21-07, 04:41 PM I wouldn't go so far as to RP the rites in full. But then, my group doesn't do a whole lot of roleplay.

Something I did do, though, was to do online and search for quotes related to death. I collected a bunch of good ones and printed them out. My intent was to throw them randomly into conversation OR they could work excellently as part of the rites mentioned.

Concerning that, I've found a site with plenty of cool quotes related to death and dying.

Linkage. (http://thinkexist.com/quotations/death_and_dying/)
angelus_obscura
09-21-07, 06:08 PM Here are some kool kuotes I found and adapted for Kelemvor's faith. :P

"When you were born, you cried, and the world rejoiced. Live your life in such a manner that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice."

"Death is our eternal companion. It is always to our left, an arm's length behind us. Death is the only wise adviser that a warrior has. Whenever he feels that everything is going wrong and he's about to be annihilated, he can turn to his death and ask if that is so. His death will tell him that he is wrong, that nothing really matters outside its touch. His death will tell him, I haven't touched you yet." - I found this to be something Kelemvor would say, as he was a warrior in life as a mortal.

"There is a dignity in dying that clerics should not dare to deny."

As for everything there is a season,
And a time for every matter under the heavens:
A time to be born, and a time to die;
A time to plant, and a time to pluck up what is planted;
A time to kill, and a time to heal;
A time to break down, and a time to build up;
A time to weep, and a time to laugh;
A time to mourn, and a time to dance;
A time to throw away stones, and a time to gather stones together;
A time to embrace, And a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to seek, and a time to lose;
A time to keep, and a time to throw away;
A time to tear, and a time to sew;
A time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
A time to love, and a time to hate,
A time for war, and a time for peace.

Death is the road.
Life is the traveler.
And Kelemvor is the Guide.
-I see this as a mantra for Kelemvor's faithful.

What do you think?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
NecroticBanana 09-14-07, 01:33 AM	do you think it would too much for a very devoted, yet VERY grim (lawful neutral) cleric of a death god (like Kelimavor) to insist upon entering every fallen foe into a respective grave, even if they were not worshippers of said death deity? i was playing this character and after a spectacular melee, begain on the task of digging dozens of graves for these goblinoids, insisting on "its the right thing to do" tho this would have taken days of work and slowed down the adventure's progress. do you think its too much roleplay? some of the other players seemed to understand but think its just overdoing it.
MrSpaceBear 09-14-07, 01:49 AM	First off I want to say that Kelemvor is the coolest thing since baked bread. Secondly, that is a cool concept and it fits with a good, nutral or lawful death god. However, to take days to burry your foes might bog the game down. Perhapse if you had linen death shrowds or face vales you took with you to drape over the fallen or just burn the bodies in a dignified manor. Or just perform rights over the ground they fell on. One thing I thought was cool, in a game I played once, I was a death cleric of Kelemvor, a bad guy was cut down, I knelt over him and comforted him as he died.
Lady_Dragon 09-14-07, 05:03 AM	I would say - yes, if there is time. I was playing a cleric of Kelemvor myself recently, before the game died out (pun not intended). There was whole bunch of people that died in a shipwreck. She just covered them with stones. It's faster (slightly, anyway) than digging a grave. Generally though, she didn't take the effort to perform any rites for enemies, because the party is just too impatient to wait for stuff like that. You can at least try to prevent them from defiling the corpses and whatnot.
Andorxor 09-14-07, 08:18 AM	You could develop a spell that makes the burial much faster.You could go to every goblin give him the rites and than cast Mass Burial to sink them all in the ground
Seeker95 09-14-07, 08:37 AM	do you think it would too much for a very devoted, yet VERY grim (lawful neutral) cleric of a death god (like Kelimavor) to insist upon entering every fallen foe into a respective grave, even if they were not worshipers of said death deity?In my last campaign, the monk and wizard were worshipers of Wee Jas and insisted upon burning the body of every opponent (or friend) they defeated with the head pointed north. We decided out of game that this was the proper method by which Wee Jas accepted the souls of the departed. It caused a problem once, when, during the rare-in-my-campaign dungeon crawl, they did this to twenty bodies. The party forgot to evaluate air flow, and found themselves in a race against suffocation to reach the surface. Neither of them would allow themselves to be resurrected (a vow that was tested once... only once).
Return of the Flumph 09-14-07, 12:26 PM	Cremation or mass graves could make it a lot faster, especially if you expedited it with spells.
Vacerious 09-14-07, 12:46 PM	First off I want to say that Kelemvor is the coolest thing since baked bread. Duly noted, quoted, and agreed. Love the diety, his dogma, his domains. I just wish he wasn't specific to the FR campaign setting. Oh well. I once had a cleric of Kelemvor that prevented the rest of the party from opening up and pilfering a stone casket by standing on top of it and refusing to get off. In general, a cleric of a death god performing burial rites for slain enemies isn't weird, just time consuming. I like the idea for a Mass Burial spell, I might just have to use that.
NecroticBanana 09-14-07, 06:10 PM	hmmm well before i go and spend too much time brewing up a "mass inter" spell or is there something already exsisting?
Seeker95 09-14-07, 06:30 PM	brewing up a "mass inter" spell or is there something already existing?earthquake :D Or rock to mud -- mud to rock. But perhaps before creating a mass inter, it would be good to create a solo version of it?
Disciple_of_Salsa 09-14-07, 06:57 PM	If a mass burial spell was made, it would be a great hiding technique. Just lay down and bury yourself alive.
NecroticBanana 09-14-07, 08:10 PM	earthquake :D Or rock to mud -- mud to rock. But perhaps before creating a mass inter, it would be good to create a solo version of it? "animate shovel" lol
Andorxor 09-15-07, 01:02 AM	If a mass burial spell was made, it would be a great hiding technique. Just lay down and bury yourself alive. I think such a spell would have 1 corpse/Level as target .
angelus_obscura 09-21-07, 02:58 PM	I totally agree with everythings said here so far. I am also playing a warrior priest of Kelemvor, and ran into this problem many times. Another way to expedite burial is to pray over the body, do the last rites, and either burn the bodies or melt them with acid. Our party had a thing about enemies being brought back (undead or alive) to 'haunt' us so our resident conjurer uses acid on every enemy the party slays. What I would like to know is, what would a cleric of Kelemvor say during last rites? What are the clergy's aphorisms? Any ideas/quotes?
Lady_Dragon 09-21-07, 03:59 PM	I wouldn't go so far as to RP the rites in full. But then, my group doesn't do a whole lot of roleplay. Something I did do, though, was to do online and search for quotes related to death. I collected a bunch of good ones and printed them out. My intent was to throw them randomly into conversation OR they could work excellently as part of the rites mentioned.
Vacerious 09-21-07, 04:41 PM	I wouldn't go so far as to RP the rites in full. But then, my group doesn't do a whole lot of roleplay. Something I did do, though, was to do online and search for quotes related to death. I collected a bunch of good ones and printed them out. My intent was to throw them randomly into conversation OR they could work excellently as part of the rites mentioned. Concerning that, I've found a site with plenty of cool quotes related to death and dying. Linkage. (http://thinkexist.com/quotations/death_and_dying/)
angelus_obscura 09-21-07, 06:08 PM	Here are some kool kuotes I found and adapted for Kelemvor's faith. :P "When you were born, you cried, and the world rejoiced. Live your life in such a manner that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice." "Death is our eternal companion. It is always to our left, an arm's length behind us. Death is the only wise adviser that a warrior has. Whenever he feels that everything is going wrong and he's about to be annihilated, he can turn to his death and ask if that is so. His death will tell him that he is wrong, that nothing really matters outside its touch. His death will tell him, I haven't touched you yet." - I found this to be something Kelemvor would say, as he was a warrior in life as a mortal. "There is a dignity in dying that clerics should not dare to deny." As for everything there is a season, And a time for every matter under the heavens: A time to be born, and a time to die; A time to plant, and a time to pluck up what is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; A time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; A time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to throw away stones, and a time to gather stones together; A time to embrace, And a time to refrain from embracing; A time to seek, and a time to lose; A time to keep, and a time to throw away; A time to tear, and a time to sew; A time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate, A time for war, and a time for peace. Death is the road. Life is the traveler. And Kelemvor is the Guide. -I see this as a mantra for Kelemvor's faithful. What do you think?