Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Nithendil 10-17-04, 02:36 AM	http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/10/16/dungeons.dragons.ap/index.html
nekrolog 10-17-04, 03:23 AM	Seemed like a pretty neutral article to me. I really wish Taylor Babcock (from the photo) hadn't made that goofy face though. Now everyone will think we're dorks! :D
hiryuu 10-17-04, 04:39 AM	They don't already? After all, we're still just big kids playing pretend, only we're doing it around a table with rules we all agreed on.
mr.unknown 10-17-04, 04:54 AM	come on now, one pic isn't going to change our image that much... lol... how do you think most people see us D&D players now...?
Seeker95 10-17-04, 08:51 AM	one pic isn't going to change our image that much how do you think most people see us D&D players now?Ahh, but you assume that everyone already had an image of us. There are still millions of people in the world (and I would even agree to billions of people) who have no idea what D&D is. Many of these still have access to CNN. So, with that one dorky face, Taylor Babcock is the "first impression" that thousands of people will have of D&D. Note: Numbers reflect personal generalities. Disagreement with specific numbers will be ignored, while disagreement with concept will be mildly amusing. :D
Zherog 10-17-04, 09:34 AM	I agree the article was rather neutral - which is a lot better than many news articles treat D&D. ;) Taylor may regret making that face- it doesn't look planned to me, meaning the photographer caught him at just the wrong moment. :D
Nithendil 10-17-04, 02:23 PM	Hehe...you can tell he either rolled a confirmed crit....or made a really good save at a really bad time :)
Incenjucar 10-17-04, 02:57 PM	I'm just insulted that such high school newspaper level writing was used to talk about a game that has increased so many vocabularies.
Seeker95 10-17-04, 03:06 PM	I'm just insulted that such high school newspaper level writing was used to talk about a game that has increased so many vocabularies.They had to. The general public is the target audience.
nekrolog 10-17-04, 05:15 PM	They had to. The general public is the target audience. I would ROFL, but that's one of those scary truths that makes me lose sleep at night.
Seeker95 10-17-04, 05:39 PM	I would ROFL, but that's one of those scary truths that makes me lose sleep at night.You want really scary? Many of those people get to vote, drive cars, and reproduce.
shift244 10-17-04, 08:37 PM	please seeker. stop casting those save or die illusion spells....
Jarlaxle_The_Rogue 10-17-04, 10:34 PM	I know a lot of people who play DnD are geeks, but some of us arn't. My group (there are only two of us) are not geeks. I'm sure there'd be hell to pay if our friends found out we played though. The problem is just educating the general populace of what its about. If people understood what DnD was and actually took the time to listen and find out I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem with it and wouldn't think it was geeky at all.
Ratheus 10-17-04, 11:12 PM	Jarlaxle, I agree. I am not a geek or a dork. I look down on people who throw around such insults. Those of you who embrace the name - I give you props for changing a negative stereotype into a positive one. With regard to the article, I am glad to see media attention brought to our interest without condemning bias. I personally found the article rather enjoyable and sheds a positive light our direction. How often has DnD been called a family game in a media publication? Now that's a good thing.
Count Arioch the 28th 10-18-04, 12:26 AM	They don't already? After all, we're still just big kids playing pretend, only we're doing it around a table with rules we all agreed on. (Boldface added by me) Showing your boards inexperience? 'Cause I don't see an awful lot of agreeing going on here, or on any D&D board I've been to.:smirk:
hiryuu 10-18-04, 03:22 AM	Inexperience? I joined before you, ya smart-faced whippersnapper! Fine, two months. But still. I meant "agree on" to a point. We all agree that we roll a d20 and add some relevant modifiers. Now, what those modifiers are is a point of debate.
CzarGarrett 10-18-04, 08:39 AM	It's basically the new cowboys-and-Indians game. With wolves. Best line of the article.
Seeker95 10-18-04, 12:29 PM	The problem is just educating the general populace of what its about. If people understood what DnD was and actually took the time to listen and find out I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem with it and wouldn't think it was geeky at all.Soccer has been trying to do that with American football fans for thirty years. Not much headway there. It is still viewed as a sport where the players are too wimpy to take a hit. (I play soccer. I know the inaccuracy of their belief. I stopped trying to change it years ago.) If the means of achieving your objective depends upon educating the public, your objective is impossible. If it were, we would have wiped out teen pregnancy, the spread of AIDS, drunk driving and absenteeism.
lugnut71 10-18-04, 12:29 PM	I'm just insulted that such high school newspaper level writing was used to talk about a game that has increased so many vocabularies. Pointless observation but the average newspaper is written at a third grade reading level.
Joni-san 10-18-04, 01:15 PM	It's basically the new cowboys-and-Indians game. With wolves. Best line of the article. That's funny, I didn't see that line the first time I read the article... :confused: But yeah, quite neutral for a mainstream publication. :) If we forget the picure :P
primemover003 10-18-04, 09:27 PM	With Wolves.... DRAGONS MAN, DRAGONS!!!
nekrolog 10-18-04, 10:31 PM	With Wolves.... DRAGONS MAN, DRAGONS!!! Yeah, what was with that? I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt and assumed that there were wolf miniatures out on the table or something.
Nithendil 10-18-04, 11:23 PM	Because, to the general population, wolves are real and scary and dragons are a bit fantastic...
nekrolog 10-19-04, 12:31 AM	Because, to the general population, wolves are real and scary and dragons are a bit fantastic... Yeah, like that Two-Socks from Dances With Wolves... that guy scared the crap out of me. ;)
Incenjucar 10-19-04, 03:02 AM	Pointless observation but the average newspaper is written at a third grade reading level. There's a reason my 1st grade article on what Clinton should do (or something) got in the Monterey Herald. I still have that clipping somewhere too, heh.
Seeker95 10-19-04, 09:16 AM	my 1st grade article on what Clinton should doYou were in first grade while Clinton was president? I was voting in my second election by that time! Egad, but you are making me feel old.
m15a 10-19-04, 11:37 AM	maybe he was writing about what clinton should do as governor? or maybe clinton was one of his grade school buddies? just trying to make you feel better. :)
Incenjucar 10-19-04, 01:06 PM	You were in first grade while Clinton was president? I was voting in my second election by that time! Egad, but you are making me feel old. Ach, fish story syndrome (22 and I'm senile, whee). I wasn't in 1st grade, it -was- elementary school though. ..I just tend to blend those years together. Eh heh...
HuskarlOdinson 10-19-04, 02:01 PM	Unfortunately there is a stigma to D&D associating it with dorks and geeks. However, our group is made up of brass-knuckle carrying tattooed lifters who would take great offense to being labeled a "geek" or "nerd". In fact, I've never been called a nerd my entire life. We are proof that you can be intelligent and a bad-ass at the same time. Among our gaming group, we refer to D&D books as "Nerd Books" as a joke but the fact remains we play the game, a lot. And we continue to buy the products, almost all the products and openly express an interest in it. You should see the gamers around here when we all walk into the game shops and comic book stores. I only hope more guys will become nerds like us and toughen up the way they carry themselves as well as sharpening their minds. Besides, we (our group) legitimizes the game to a great many people who normally wouldn't even consider it. Our girlfriends and wives are some hot ass gals and when your average person sees us all playing D&D, I am sure it only scores points for D&D. We've had style and image for a long time by default, being a hooligan dictates that. Its not something we sought out or have to try at, it just happened and its us. But we all played games long before we had it and we'll play games long after we get old and fat. D&D is just plain awesome no matter how you cut it. I hope the market continues to expand and the game attracts more people to it. Look, if it can get bar-room brawling hooligans interested, it should appeal to a great many more mainstream people by default. This latest press article sure beats the stupid 1980s articles about D&D being "satanic". D&D is about as satanic as my left foot but that didn't stop many idiots from believing that. Now that this laughable image has been broken and proven false, lets destroy the nerd image too.
Seeker95 10-19-04, 07:15 PM	Unfortunately there is a stigma to D&D associating it with dorks and geeks. However, our group is made up of brass-knuckle carrying tattooed lifters who would take great offense to being labeled a "geek" or "nerd". In fact, I've never been called a nerd my entire life. We are proof that you can be intelligent and a bad-ass at the same time.And that even the manly burly can have fragile egos. If you really do take offense at being labeled geek or nerd. *ducks quickly*