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common to orc translator [Archive] - Wizards Community

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firestorm9a
06-19-07, 01:16 AM Say, I'm sure this has been asked before, but does anyone know where I could find a common to orc translator?
Salla
06-19-07, 01:18 AM Since the orcish language does not exist, there can be no such thing. :)
Doleth
06-19-07, 01:41 AM According to one of my pal who often DM and has played since 2nd edition, most savage race language consist of the creature saying it's name, kinda like pokemon....yeah, I know, weird guy:D so the orc language consist of just saying "Orc! orc! oooooorc!" over and over again.
Seeker95
06-19-07, 08:53 AM As Salla noted, there is no such thing as an orc, much less a language of the orcs. However, you could try the Klingon Dictionary (http://soultrek.net/faq/klindictionary.htm) and just call it orc.
Araxiss
06-19-07, 12:24 PM Too bad you weren't asking about drow, cuz I could point you in the direction of a nice common/english to drow translator. :)
celestialkin
06-19-07, 12:27 PM Too bad you weren't asking about drow, cuz I could point you in the direction of a nice common/english to drow translator. :)

I'd like it! Maybe an elf one too?
Morits
06-19-07, 01:37 PM In my Game, I use Welsh to represent Dwarvish because of the coal-mining.
Elvish is Latin because Tolkien said so.
Orcish is French because everyone hates the French.
Hobgoblin is Castillian Spanish and Goblin is Mexican Spanish.
Shekias
06-19-07, 02:13 PM In my Game, I use Welsh to represent Dwarvish because of the coal-mining.
Elvish is Latin because Tolkien said so.
Orcish is French because everyone hates the French.
Hobgoblin is Castillian Spanish and Goblin is Mexican Spanish.

The first too maybe, the last three definently no. French flows too well to be orc. The goblinoid languages consist of squabbles, grunts, growls, and squeaks. It's a rough language that not too many of todays languages simulate well.

Here's a link to some Orcish stuff:
http://www.geocities.com/kessler369/tibia/orclanguage.html
captianhowdy
06-19-07, 02:17 PM german for orc might work. german is harsh sounding in my opinion, so it might fit
CryoSilver
06-19-07, 02:22 PM Try drinking a pint of vodka or a case of beer, then yelling angrily as you eat a pretzel. That's probably about right.
Araxiss
06-19-07, 04:30 PM I'd like it! Maybe an elf one too?

I don't have an elf one nor do I know where to find one, sorry. Tho I do have a drow translator and links to a couple of drow dictionaries.

First off is the drow translator:
http://www.grey-company.org/Maerdyn/resources/translator/

Next are the two drow dictionaries:
http://abutalib.indysla.iupui.edu/~asimmon/drow.html
http://members.aol.com/sylveri0n/dicttop.htm
Orion Polaris
06-19-07, 04:35 PM Talintha karliik wun natha mir'cahallin uriu tlu l' mzilst myar ul'hyrr faernen d'lil area tu'suul l' qu'mados uriu rin'ov doer phor xuil. Usstan daewl nind orn'la vrine'winith acting saph l' lodias vel'uss buy dal mina ph' mal'ain.
Araxiss
06-19-07, 04:48 PM Talintha karliik wun natha mir'cahallin uriu tlu l' mzilst myar ul'hyrr faernen d'lil area tu'suul l' qu'mados uriu rin'ov doer phor xuil. Usstan daewl nind orn'la vrine'winith acting saph l' lodias vel'uss buy dal mina ph' mal'ain.

lol. I forgot to mention the translator still needs work. Not all words will translate like "coast" for one.
LeuktheSavior
06-19-07, 05:06 PM I know somebody is going to get offended, but AFrican languages would best suit the orcish and goblinoid languages.
Illiden_Nailo
06-19-07, 05:16 PM captainhowdy:German does not sound harsh! You know, German was the basis for the English language.

'Tis true, wehn the Anglo-Saxons colonized europe, they spoke a dialect of German, and then created Old English!
Which eventualy leads to our English of today!

Now, stop putting down your language you Schlumpf Dummkopf. Deustch ist sehr toll, und ist wurdig of Beziehung.

(Translation: Smurf stupidhead. German ist very cool. and is deserving of respect.):mage:

Lets not throw fire, my post is done, I care for your opinion, and my opinion was just stated, please I do not need to ruin a perfectly good post with a running argument.

Thank you.
Whisper_Swiftblade
06-19-07, 05:31 PM captainhowdy:German does not sound harsh! You know, German was the basis for the English language.

'Tis true, wehn the Anglo-Saxons colonized europe, they spoke a dialect of German, and then created Old English!
Which eventualy leads to our English of today!

Now, stop putting down your language you Schlumpf Dummkopf. Deustch ist sehr toll, und ist wurdig of Beziehung.

(Translation: Smurf stupidhead. German ist very cool. and is deserving of respect.):mage:

Lets not throw fire, my post is done, I care for your opinion, and my opinion was just stated, please I do not need to ruin a perfectly good post with a running argument.

Thank you.

are you shure? the way I understood it, german and english where both derived from a third language used by the anglo-saxons, which would put the languages into more of a sibling position than a parental one with one language being created from the other.

in any case, I agree with the point you where makeing, languages are not inherintly harsh sounding, it's the speakers who control how they say things.
Darth Syntax
06-19-07, 06:08 PM Modern German and English both derive from proto-west germanic which, in turn, was a dialect of Proto-Germanic, which ultimately came from Proto-Indo-European. Modern English and German are something like second cousins, whereas English and Scots are siblings and both of those are cousins of Frisian.

--

As to the Orc language, I would imagine that orcs would have a difficult time with rounded vowels u,o, and so on given that they have such protruding tusks.
Illiden_Nailo
06-19-07, 06:14 PM Either way, they're very closely related.

I remember in my English book seeing the parental thing.

Hey why not try Georgian?(Its a country under Russia if you didn't know.)

I have a friend whos from Georgia, his name is Dachi Tkhilaishvili. I asked him earlier today how many syllables it had, and he said, "Like 16, or something."

I swear its his real name, I have our yearbook in front of me.

Go figure.
Zousha_Omenohu
06-19-07, 07:02 PM While I have no access to some sort of Orcish dictionary, I do know at least one word that is reputedly Orcish. In the game Neverwinter Nights 2, the character Casavir is given the epithet "Katalmach" by the orcish tribes he's been fighting. This name is not given lightly by the orcs, as it is their term for "a warrior who loses himself in battle" (which is odd in this case, since it suggests a barbarian, while Casavir is a paladin). Don't think that's very helpful though, given the fact that the canonicity of the Forgotten Realms computer games is dubious at best.
Darth Syntax
06-19-07, 07:25 PM Either way, they're very closely related.

I remember in my English book seeing the parental thing.

Hey why not try Georgian?(Its a country under Russia if you didn't know.)

I have a friend whos from Georgia, his name is Dachi Tkhilaishvili. I asked him earlier today how many syllables it had, and he said, "Like 16, or something."

I swear its his real name, I have our yearbook in front of me.

Go figure.

Georgian is a Kartvelian language which is known for its rather complex sound system (a feature of many of the Caucasian languages), very long words, and complex verbal agreement. I don't doubt for a moment that the name you gave is accurate.

However, I would personally not use Georgian as a representation of an orc language. Rather I think it would be better used as a model for a gnomish language.
AAB
06-19-07, 07:44 PM Hungarian has a neat sound to it. i like that one for orcish.
lizard42069
03-25-08, 11:34 PM Seriously you can find a collection of translators and dictionaries at our webring site Fellowship of the Webring (http://fellowship-of-the-webring.piczo.com/?g=1&cr=1)
mathew99
03-26-08, 12:26 AM here's some stuff on orcs:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=yHl16n7noXs&feature=related

and this one:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=dw1pgKtcYt8&feature=related

and this:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=05B-Bw51-Tg&feature=related
Moredlin
09-03-08, 09:48 PM I have a pretty good Language Translator. Has both Drow, and Elven. I also have found an OK Draconic language as well.

http://www.fantasyrole.org/learn_trans.asp

http://draconic.twilightrealm.com/

The next link has awsome Elven runes and the Alphabet

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/vortexshadow/elfrunes.html

Hope this helpsw out a few people :)
Werral
09-04-08, 05:35 PM Tolkien used Cockney for orcs in LOTR.
ciaran
09-04-08, 06:19 PM He also wrote that many orcs spoke in men's common Westron tongue because so many of them had dialects unique to their tribe (he refered to their breed, not tribe). The cockney thing was kind of silly though, if you're talking about usage in The Hobbit. I don't know that it occured outside of that book.
M-bark
09-04-08, 06:50 PM Huh. In my campaign I don't really have Orc resemble German or Elvish resemble French or anything. We just have it so that they actually are very different, but as spoken in our games they all come with different accents (with English being spoken at all time, no matter what DnD language is being spoken in). For instance, last session the players were introduced to a sailing band of peoples led by a Warforged Paladin. His native tongue was Dwarven, which I brought across with a Russian accent. Prolly would do Elvish with a Belgian accent, Orcish with a German one, Halflings with an Irish one and Gnomes with a Swedish one.
HARLEYDUDE
09-04-08, 08:17 PM German does not sound harsh! You know, German was the basis for the English language.

And here's some new news for ya!

The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European nation rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5-year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English." In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with the "f". This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter. In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away. By the 4th yer peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.

hehe
HD
Rulebook
09-06-08, 10:30 AM oh man, Twain rolled in his grave there.

and im honestly suprised... not a single "zug" in the whole thread.
Thane26425
09-06-08, 11:01 AM There was first edition adventure in Dungeon Magazine where a solo PC had to work with some orcs. The language as written in the adventure was most like Klingon and since the orcs are described as a militaristic race based on rule by strength like the Klingon, it fits.

As for real world languages, I would agree that German would be a good match.
ADHadh
09-06-08, 05:45 PM And here's some new news for ya!

The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European nation rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5-year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English." In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with the "f". This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter. In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away. By the 4th yer peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.

hehe
HD

Knowing EU, I hop your a fals profet ;)
M-bark
09-07-08, 04:26 AM Knowing EU, I hop your a fals profet ;)

He is. Joking, that is.
Werral
09-08-08, 04:52 PM He also wrote that many orcs spoke in men's common Westron tongue because so many of them had dialects unique to their tribe (he refered to their breed, not tribe). The cockney thing was kind of silly though, if you're talking about usage in The Hobbit. I don't know that it occured outside of that book.

Also in Lord of the Rings, the book and the film.
Thakowsaizmu
09-10-08, 05:20 PM In my Game, I use Welsh to represent Dwarvish because of the coal-mining.
Elvish is Latin because Tolkien said so.
Orcish is French because everyone hates the French.
Hobgoblin is Castillian Spanish and Goblin is Mexican Spanish.

Elven is not, nor has it ever been, Latin. It is an a priori language that he created. It is true that he was inspired somewhat by Latin, though mostly just in transliteration. Finnish was far more of an inspiration to Quenya, Welsh to Sindarin.

And just so you know, by your language divisions up there; Elven, Orcish, Hobgoblin and Goblin are all related. Nice.
Mobutu
09-10-08, 05:36 PM Say, I'm sure this has been asked before, but does anyone know where I could find a common to orc translator?

"Orc": Hello
"Orc!!!": "Die, pinkskin," or "Good to See you", depending on context
"ORCORCORC ORRRRRCCCC!!!": "I will rape you to death, eat your flesh, and sew your skin into my clothing... not necessarily in that order."
"Orc?": "What?" or, "Could you pass the salt?"
"Gorfnorg!": "To Victory" or "Farewell"

That's about all I've successfully translated from our current DM's usage of the language ;)
ciaran
09-10-08, 06:18 PM Also in Lord of the Rings, the book and the film.

Now that you mention it the scene in the movie where they have capured the hobbits and are discussing eating them comes to mind, among others. That of course is the orcs speaking english, not orc. Its still a strange choice.
M-bark
09-11-08, 07:40 AM Of course, there is the question of what language humans speak in DnD.

I think it's Latinized Hebrew-Greek with a slice of Chino-Japanese on a German sandwich with Arabic on top.
ADHadh
09-12-08, 10:31 AM Of course, there is the question of what language humans speak in DnD.

I think it's Latinized Hebrew-Greek with a slice of Chino-Japanese on a German sandwich with Arabic on top.

Add Polish and you get Borat Speech.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
firestorm9a 06-19-07, 01:16 AM	Say, I'm sure this has been asked before, but does anyone know where I could find a common to orc translator?
Salla 06-19-07, 01:18 AM	Since the orcish language does not exist, there can be no such thing. :)
Doleth 06-19-07, 01:41 AM	According to one of my pal who often DM and has played since 2nd edition, most savage race language consist of the creature saying it's name, kinda like pokemon....yeah, I know, weird guy:D so the orc language consist of just saying "Orc! orc! oooooorc!" over and over again.
Seeker95 06-19-07, 08:53 AM	As Salla noted, there is no such thing as an orc, much less a language of the orcs. However, you could try the Klingon Dictionary (http://soultrek.net/faq/klindictionary.htm) and just call it orc.
Araxiss 06-19-07, 12:24 PM	Too bad you weren't asking about drow, cuz I could point you in the direction of a nice common/english to drow translator. :)
celestialkin 06-19-07, 12:27 PM	Too bad you weren't asking about drow, cuz I could point you in the direction of a nice common/english to drow translator. :) I'd like it! Maybe an elf one too?
Morits 06-19-07, 01:37 PM	In my Game, I use Welsh to represent Dwarvish because of the coal-mining. Elvish is Latin because Tolkien said so. Orcish is French because everyone hates the French. Hobgoblin is Castillian Spanish and Goblin is Mexican Spanish.
Shekias 06-19-07, 02:13 PM	In my Game, I use Welsh to represent Dwarvish because of the coal-mining. Elvish is Latin because Tolkien said so. Orcish is French because everyone hates the French. Hobgoblin is Castillian Spanish and Goblin is Mexican Spanish. The first too maybe, the last three definently no. French flows too well to be orc. The goblinoid languages consist of squabbles, grunts, growls, and squeaks. It's a rough language that not too many of todays languages simulate well. Here's a link to some Orcish stuff: http://www.geocities.com/kessler369/tibia/orclanguage.html
captianhowdy 06-19-07, 02:17 PM	german for orc might work. german is harsh sounding in my opinion, so it might fit
CryoSilver 06-19-07, 02:22 PM	Try drinking a pint of vodka or a case of beer, then yelling angrily as you eat a pretzel. That's probably about right.
Araxiss 06-19-07, 04:30 PM	I'd like it! Maybe an elf one too? I don't have an elf one nor do I know where to find one, sorry. Tho I do have a drow translator and links to a couple of drow dictionaries. First off is the drow translator: http://www.grey-company.org/Maerdyn/resources/translator/ Next are the two drow dictionaries: http://abutalib.indysla.iupui.edu/~asimmon/drow.html http://members.aol.com/sylveri0n/dicttop.htm
Orion Polaris 06-19-07, 04:35 PM	Talintha karliik wun natha mir'cahallin uriu tlu l' mzilst myar ul'hyrr faernen d'lil area tu'suul l' qu'mados uriu rin'ov doer phor xuil. Usstan daewl nind orn'la vrine'winith acting saph l' lodias vel'uss buy dal mina ph' mal'ain.
Araxiss 06-19-07, 04:48 PM	Talintha karliik wun natha mir'cahallin uriu tlu l' mzilst myar ul'hyrr faernen d'lil area tu'suul l' qu'mados uriu rin'ov doer phor xuil. Usstan daewl nind orn'la vrine'winith acting saph l' lodias vel'uss buy dal mina ph' mal'ain. lol. I forgot to mention the translator still needs work. Not all words will translate like "coast" for one.
LeuktheSavior 06-19-07, 05:06 PM	I know somebody is going to get offended, but AFrican languages would best suit the orcish and goblinoid languages.
Illiden_Nailo 06-19-07, 05:16 PM	captainhowdy:German does not sound harsh! You know, German was the basis for the English language. 'Tis true, wehn the Anglo-Saxons colonized europe, they spoke a dialect of German, and then created Old English! Which eventualy leads to our English of today! Now, stop putting down your language you Schlumpf Dummkopf. Deustch ist sehr toll, und ist wurdig of Beziehung. (Translation: Smurf stupidhead. German ist very cool. and is deserving of respect.):mage: Lets not throw fire, my post is done, I care for your opinion, and my opinion was just stated, please I do not need to ruin a perfectly good post with a running argument. Thank you.
Whisper_Swiftblade 06-19-07, 05:31 PM	captainhowdy:German does not sound harsh! You know, German was the basis for the English language. 'Tis true, wehn the Anglo-Saxons colonized europe, they spoke a dialect of German, and then created Old English! Which eventualy leads to our English of today! Now, stop putting down your language you Schlumpf Dummkopf. Deustch ist sehr toll, und ist wurdig of Beziehung. (Translation: Smurf stupidhead. German ist very cool. and is deserving of respect.):mage: Lets not throw fire, my post is done, I care for your opinion, and my opinion was just stated, please I do not need to ruin a perfectly good post with a running argument. Thank you. are you shure? the way I understood it, german and english where both derived from a third language used by the anglo-saxons, which would put the languages into more of a sibling position than a parental one with one language being created from the other. in any case, I agree with the point you where makeing, languages are not inherintly harsh sounding, it's the speakers who control how they say things.
Darth Syntax 06-19-07, 06:08 PM	Modern German and English both derive from proto-west germanic which, in turn, was a dialect of Proto-Germanic, which ultimately came from Proto-Indo-European. Modern English and German are something like second cousins, whereas English and Scots are siblings and both of those are cousins of Frisian. -- As to the Orc language, I would imagine that orcs would have a difficult time with rounded vowels u,o, and so on given that they have such protruding tusks.
Illiden_Nailo 06-19-07, 06:14 PM	Either way, they're very closely related. I remember in my English book seeing the parental thing. Hey why not try Georgian?(Its a country under Russia if you didn't know.) I have a friend whos from Georgia, his name is Dachi Tkhilaishvili. I asked him earlier today how many syllables it had, and he said, "Like 16, or something." I swear its his real name, I have our yearbook in front of me. Go figure.
Zousha_Omenohu 06-19-07, 07:02 PM	While I have no access to some sort of Orcish dictionary, I do know at least one word that is reputedly Orcish. In the game Neverwinter Nights 2, the character Casavir is given the epithet "Katalmach" by the orcish tribes he's been fighting. This name is not given lightly by the orcs, as it is their term for "a warrior who loses himself in battle" (which is odd in this case, since it suggests a barbarian, while Casavir is a paladin). Don't think that's very helpful though, given the fact that the canonicity of the Forgotten Realms computer games is dubious at best.
Darth Syntax 06-19-07, 07:25 PM	Either way, they're very closely related. I remember in my English book seeing the parental thing. Hey why not try Georgian?(Its a country under Russia if you didn't know.) I have a friend whos from Georgia, his name is Dachi Tkhilaishvili. I asked him earlier today how many syllables it had, and he said, "Like 16, or something." I swear its his real name, I have our yearbook in front of me. Go figure. Georgian is a Kartvelian language which is known for its rather complex sound system (a feature of many of the Caucasian languages), very long words, and complex verbal agreement. I don't doubt for a moment that the name you gave is accurate. However, I would personally not use Georgian as a representation of an orc language. Rather I think it would be better used as a model for a gnomish language.
AAB 06-19-07, 07:44 PM	Hungarian has a neat sound to it. i like that one for orcish.
lizard42069 03-25-08, 11:34 PM	Seriously you can find a collection of translators and dictionaries at our webring site Fellowship of the Webring (http://fellowship-of-the-webring.piczo.com/?g=1&cr=1)
mathew99 03-26-08, 12:26 AM	here's some stuff on orcs: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=yHl16n7noXs&feature=related and this one: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=dw1pgKtcYt8&feature=related and this: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=05B-Bw51-Tg&feature=related
Moredlin 09-03-08, 09:48 PM	I have a pretty good Language Translator. Has both Drow, and Elven. I also have found an OK Draconic language as well. http://www.fantasyrole.org/learn_trans.asp http://draconic.twilightrealm.com/ The next link has awsome Elven runes and the Alphabet http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/vortexshadow/elfrunes.html Hope this helpsw out a few people :)
Werral 09-04-08, 05:35 PM	Tolkien used Cockney for orcs in LOTR.
ciaran 09-04-08, 06:19 PM	He also wrote that many orcs spoke in men's common Westron tongue because so many of them had dialects unique to their tribe (he refered to their breed, not tribe). The cockney thing was kind of silly though, if you're talking about usage in The Hobbit. I don't know that it occured outside of that book.
M-bark 09-04-08, 06:50 PM	Huh. In my campaign I don't really have Orc resemble German or Elvish resemble French or anything. We just have it so that they actually are very different, but as spoken in our games they all come with different accents (with English being spoken at all time, no matter what DnD language is being spoken in). For instance, last session the players were introduced to a sailing band of peoples led by a Warforged Paladin. His native tongue was Dwarven, which I brought across with a Russian accent. Prolly would do Elvish with a Belgian accent, Orcish with a German one, Halflings with an Irish one and Gnomes with a Swedish one.
HARLEYDUDE 09-04-08, 08:17 PM	German does not sound harsh! You know, German was the basis for the English language. And here's some new news for ya! The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European nation rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5-year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English." In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with the "f". This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter. In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away. By the 4th yer peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru. hehe HD
Rulebook 09-06-08, 10:30 AM	oh man, Twain rolled in his grave there. and im honestly suprised... not a single "zug" in the whole thread.
Thane26425 09-06-08, 11:01 AM	There was first edition adventure in Dungeon Magazine where a solo PC had to work with some orcs. The language as written in the adventure was most like Klingon and since the orcs are described as a militaristic race based on rule by strength like the Klingon, it fits. As for real world languages, I would agree that German would be a good match.
ADHadh 09-06-08, 05:45 PM	And here's some new news for ya! The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European nation rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5-year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English." In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with the "f". This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter. In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away. By the 4th yer peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru. hehe HD Knowing EU, I hop your a fals profet ;)
M-bark 09-07-08, 04:26 AM	Knowing EU, I hop your a fals profet ;) He is. Joking, that is.
Werral 09-08-08, 04:52 PM	He also wrote that many orcs spoke in men's common Westron tongue because so many of them had dialects unique to their tribe (he refered to their breed, not tribe). The cockney thing was kind of silly though, if you're talking about usage in The Hobbit. I don't know that it occured outside of that book. Also in Lord of the Rings, the book and the film.
Thakowsaizmu 09-10-08, 05:20 PM	In my Game, I use Welsh to represent Dwarvish because of the coal-mining. Elvish is Latin because Tolkien said so. Orcish is French because everyone hates the French. Hobgoblin is Castillian Spanish and Goblin is Mexican Spanish. Elven is not, nor has it ever been, Latin. It is an a priori language that he created. It is true that he was inspired somewhat by Latin, though mostly just in transliteration. Finnish was far more of an inspiration to Quenya, Welsh to Sindarin. And just so you know, by your language divisions up there; Elven, Orcish, Hobgoblin and Goblin are all related. Nice.
Mobutu 09-10-08, 05:36 PM	Say, I'm sure this has been asked before, but does anyone know where I could find a common to orc translator? "Orc": Hello "Orc!!!": "Die, pinkskin," or "Good to See you", depending on context "ORCORCORC ORRRRRCCCC!!!": "I will rape you to death, eat your flesh, and sew your skin into my clothing... not necessarily in that order." "Orc?": "What?" or, "Could you pass the salt?" "Gorfnorg!": "To Victory" or "Farewell" That's about all I've successfully translated from our current DM's usage of the language ;)
ciaran 09-10-08, 06:18 PM	Also in Lord of the Rings, the book and the film. Now that you mention it the scene in the movie where they have capured the hobbits and are discussing eating them comes to mind, among others. That of course is the orcs speaking english, not orc. Its still a strange choice.
M-bark 09-11-08, 07:40 AM	Of course, there is the question of what language humans speak in DnD. I think it's Latinized Hebrew-Greek with a slice of Chino-Japanese on a German sandwich with Arabic on top.
ADHadh 09-12-08, 10:31 AM	Of course, there is the question of what language humans speak in DnD. I think it's Latinized Hebrew-Greek with a slice of Chino-Japanese on a German sandwich with Arabic on top. Add Polish and you get Borat Speech.