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| titanhoss07-10-04, 08:57 PM | Assuming all identical stats, a 13 in int, and a 15 in con, full HP for the first Die and average for each additional Die. * The seven Skill points count the +4 to the Hobgoblin's Move Silently Checks Hobgoblin Ftr1 Human Ftr 3 Half-Orc Ftr3 HP 17 26 26 Skill PTS 7* 18 14 FORT 4 3 3 REF 0 1 1 WILL 0 1 1 BAB 1 3 3 Feats 2 4 3 Abilities Darkvision Darkvison +2 Dex +2 Str +2 Con -2 Int -2 Cha ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Human and half-orc Spend one Feat on Great Fortitude ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hobgoblin Ftr1 Human Ftr 3 Half-Orc Ftr3 HP 17 26 26 Skill PTS 7* 18 14 FORT 4 5 5 REF 0 1 1 WILL 0 1 1 BAB 1 3 3 Feats 2 3 2 Abilities Darkvision Darkvison +2 Dex +2 Str +2 Con -2 Int -2 Cha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now simple math to eliminate the equivalent. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hobgoblin Ftr1 Human Ftr 3 Half-Orc Ftr3 HP +9 +9 Skill PTS +11 +7 FORT +1 +1 REF +1 +1 WILL +1 +1 BAB +2 +2 Feats +1 Abilities Darkvision Darkvison +2 Dex +2 Str +2 Con -2 Int -2 Cha -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Having an ability like Darkvision, balances out againts one feat in Therory, as this is why humans get the bonus feat... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hobgoblin Ftr1 Human Ftr 3 Half-Orc Ftr3 HP +9 +9 Skill PTS +11 +7 FORT +1 +1 REF +1 +1 WILL +1 +1 BAB +2 +2 Abilities +2 Con -2 Cha +2 Dex +2 Str -2 Int ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now a little Magic Items, to start ballancing out the math... Hobgoblin: +2000 GP +1 Cloak of Resistance... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hobgoblin Ftr1 Human Ftr 3 Half-Orc Ftr3 HP +9 +9 Skill PTS +11 +7 BAB +2 +2 GP 2000 Abilities +2 Con -2 Cha +2 Dex +2 Str -2 Int -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Give Gloves of dex + 2 to the Human and Half-orc... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hobgoblin Ftr1 Human Ftr 3 Half-Orc Ftr3 HP +9 +9 Skill PTS +11 +7 BAB +2 +2 GP -2000 -2000 -2000 Abilities +2 Con -2 Cha +2 Str -2 Int ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Give an amulet of Health to the Human and Half-orc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hobgoblin Ftr1 Human Ftr 3 Half-Orc Ftr3 HP +9 +9 Skill PTS +11 +7 BAB +2 +2 GP -2000 -4000 -4000 Abilities -2 Cha +2 Str -2 Int -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Give Gauntlets of Oger Power to the Hobgoblin and Human -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hobgoblin Ftr1 Human Ftr 3 Half-Orc Ftr3 HP +9 +9 Skill PTS +11 +7 BAB +2 +2 GP -4000 -6000 -4000 Abilities -2 Cha -2 Int -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Give the Half-orc a Headband of Intellect ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hobgoblin Ftr1 Human Ftr 3 Half-Orc Ftr3 HP +9 +9 Skill PTS +11 +7 BAB +2 +2 GP -4000 -6000 -6000 Abilities -2 Cha -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Give the Half-orc a Cloak of Charisma -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hobgoblin Ftr1 Human Ftr 3 Half-Orc Ftr3 HP +9 +9 Skill PTS +11 +7 BAB +2 +2 GP -4000 -6000 -8000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reduce the math again... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hobgoblin Ftr1 Human Ftr 3 Half-Orc Ftr3 HP +9 +9 Skill PTS +11 +7 BAB +2 +2 GP +4000 +2000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now if you can tell me how the Hobgoblin can spend 4000 gp to get 9 hitpoints, 7 skill points and a +2 BAB I'll Buy that it's equal to the Half-orc.. or spend 2000gp to get 9 Hit Points, 11 Skill points and +2 BAB the same for te human... |
| q'afuu07-10-04, 09:09 PM | Originally posted by titanhoss Hobgoblin Ftr1 Human Ftr 3 Half-Orc Ftr3 Creatures with only one racial HD trade it in for their first character level (as per the official rules). As such, you should compare either a Hobgoblin Ftr1 with no racial HD to a Human Ftr 2 and a Half-Orc Ftr 2, or a Hobgobling Ftr 2 with no racial HD to a Human Ftr 3 and a Half-Orc Ftr 3. Actually, you should compare at different levels to determine fairness. |
| questionc07-10-04, 09:54 PM | I might b off here, but I don't believe that Hobgoblins have any racial hit dice., which would mean that you need to compare a Hobgoblin with a character of his level +1. Also, I believe that they begin with good skill points as any other normal class. To see what kind of class does change the rules for starting it, look at something like the Ogre, which does have racial hit dice. Look at the real stats, and a level 2 hobgoblin is pretty much on par with a level 3 half-orc. Arguably better even. |
| roguebfl07-10-04, 10:35 PM | but saying they All have the SAME stats makes your compairson invlaid as THEY do not! grab the 'defualt stats array' then apply the racial mods; THEN you will have made them comapairible in stats Hobgoblins havea +2 DEX mod and +2 Con mod |
| Seeker9507-10-04, 11:41 PM | roguebfl, Please proofread your posts before you hit submit. The typoes alone are making your posts almost impossible to understand, and I think that what you are presenting is worth understanding. |