Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Endarire 11-01-04, 11:31 PM	1: When someone's cohort's the highest-level party member. 2: When a cohort, 2 levels lower than a character, outperforms the character in every regard. 3: A 3 INT/WIS Fighter is automatically literate while an 18 INT/WIS Barbarian is not. -EE
hiryuu 11-01-04, 11:45 PM	4. Ring of Fire Immunity in the red dragon's hoard. 5. Sorcerer with the raven familiar is missing an eye. 6. Died 1 XP away from the next level.
Seeker95 11-02-04, 09:11 AM	1. Never seen it, but it would be ironic 2. Pick the right cohort, and you *want* this to happen. 3. The abrbarian can place one skill point in Literacy, while the fighter has only 1pt/level. 4. Guess the bearer forgot the dragon has teeth too! 5. It's all fun and games until... 6. Irony combined with an iron-fisted DM.
kliate 11-02-04, 04:38 PM	7. A Lycanthropic cleric of Pelor (just think a moment about that one...) 8. The epic-level commoners that seem to frequently show up in a metropolis 9. A petrified earth elemental
Fixxxer 11-02-04, 04:59 PM	7. A Lycanthropic cleric of Pelor (just think a moment about that one...) I would think that a vampire cleric of the sun god would be more ironic.
Seeker95 11-02-04, 05:00 PM	7. Blessed by the Sun; Cursed by the Moon! 8. In the modern world, we elect them to city councils. 9. He's stoned again.
Endarire 11-02-04, 05:20 PM	10: You critically fumble and kill the enemy and you simultaneously! 11: A forgetful Cleric casts Inflict instead of Cure. 12: Playing with a compitent Half-Elf Bard. -EE
Coran 11-02-04, 05:40 PM	13) How every commoner you find is harder to kill than the average BBEG but are easily killed by the average BBEG
Krelios 11-02-04, 05:49 PM	As an editor and former English major I'd like to point out that almost none of these are technically ironies (though neither is anything in the song, Isn't it Ironic, which, in and of itself, is the greatest irony). Now that that's out of the way, I'll add my 2cp to the list of "Silly things in D&D." 14. Someone complaining that a list of "ironies" isn't really and then posting his list anyway. 15. A character with a ridiculously high Diplomacy check that can convince almost anyone of anything still gets no chance to resist someone else with a good score.
simen_88 11-03-04, 03:05 PM	16) A horse struck by a lightning bolt is pretty dead, but a man who knows how to swing his sword better than anybody else is hardly hurt.
Bedevere 11-03-04, 05:21 PM	11: A forgetful Cleric casts Inflict instead of Cure. In a live action game I play in, only a month ago, a cleric did this, and ended up killing someone as a result. The guy was devastated (The cleric. Safe to say the guy who died was upset as well), and spent the rest of the event healing even the tiniest scratches on ANYONE. :D :D :D Of course, the true irony would be if he had cast it on purpose, hoping to kill the guy, only to find out he was an undead in disguise. ;)
digoraccoon 11-03-04, 05:49 PM	17. You need to lasso the floating magical item you adventured through the dungeon for and no one in a party of six brought rope (true story). 18. The party sorcerer kills the black dragon while riding it and as she falls, realizes she swapped out Feather Fall for Expedicious Retreat on last level up (another true story).
Fixxxer 11-03-04, 06:03 PM	17. You need to lasso the floating magical item you adventured through the dungeon for and no one in a party of six brought rope (true story). 18. The party sorcerer kills the black dragon while riding it and as she falls, realizes she swapped out Feather Fall for Expedicious Retreat on last level up (another true story). As Krelios pointed out, these are by no means "ironic." "Unfortunate" perhaps, but not ironic.
Sucineri 11-03-04, 06:38 PM	Ironic and Sarcasm go hand and hand. It's like when a fool-proof plan is made by a bunch of fools. Or a child-proof aspirin bottle where the parent has no clue how to open the thing yet the child does. Driving on a Parkway and Parking on a Driveway is a good irony example as well. Hell, another good one (to me atleast) is the only way to save yourself is to take your own life.
Sulaco 11-04-04, 10:15 AM	As an editor and former English major I'd like to point out that almost none of these are technically ironies Beat me too it. Just cos stuff is silly, odd, funny, or a pain-in-the-ass doesn't make it ironic. In the Middle Ages people killed cats cos they though they were evil and spread disease, and this allowed the rat population to flourish and spread the Black Plague. That is ironic.
Tanuki, the Bewildered 11-04-04, 07:41 PM	5. Sorcerer with the raven familiar is missing an eye. Not ironic! Appropriate! Call the raven Huggin or Munnin.
Sucineri 11-05-04, 02:38 AM	Krelios..I hate you so much! lol I just got into a HUGE argument with my friend about what makes a song funny and then we got into irony which I gave the example of "Isn't it Ironic" using the very first example of 'Rain on your wedding day'..now let me go from the beginning. And sorry for taking this post off topic, but I need some help since well..this thread really isn't at all about the topic..which in and of itself is Ironic. Dontcha think? ;) Beginning Friend asked me what 'funny' songs I could think of for him to ask his girlfriend to play on her highschool radio station. I couldn't think of one so he gave me an example as how he requested 'Pinball Wizard' and how it is funny..which I don't think is funny really at all. It's just telling how a guy was able to conquer an aspect of life that he shouldn't have been able to..and not only conquering this aspect, but doing it better than everyone else. But he couldn't get off of the 'playing by sense of smell' thing and he kept laughing. I suggested maybe the 'Biz Markie' song 'Just a Friend' wherein Biz is the singer in a concert, finds a groupie he is impressed by and then he asks if she is seeing anyone. By where she replies 'No I don't, I only have a friend'. Well, he knows what that means and he thinks she is a ****. I find that a LOT more humorous than 'Pinball Wizard'. So then I told him 'Pinball Wizard' was not funny, maybe Ironic, but not funny..and then I gave the Alanis example of 'Isn't it Ironic' and told him that that song is ironic in that nothing about it is really ironic. and I gave the example of 'Rain on your wedding day' and then he said that it IS indeed ironic and I said it isn't, but just unfortunate. And then he got into saying how a wedding day is supposed to be perfect and if it rains that it is ironic..but it is not ironic in itself. But he says that this single verse IMPLIES that the weather was looking good for a long time and it was planned for the perfect time in the middle of summer and blah blah blah..and I was like 'what the hell? Where did you get all that from?" and he said that by adding 'isn't it ironic' that is implies all this extra stuff, and I don't think it does at all. Now if the song mentioned a wedding taking place in the middle of the summer, in the middle of a desert in the middle of a drought and ONLY on your wedding day did it rain, then yes, that would be ironic. But just 'rain on your wedding day' is not ironic. I think my friend is an idiot. Now to get back on topic! :) PS..I hate you Krelios! ;)
CzarGarrett 11-05-04, 08:20 AM	Wow, a thread about irony in D&D has wound up not having any irony. How ironic.
Winsome 11-05-04, 10:18 AM	I always thought that Irony in D&D was different to Real Earth Irony. Real Earth Irony - Practically everything NOT in this thread (as already noted above) D&D Irony - A Dwarven term meaning "Sort of like Iron"
Sulaco 11-05-04, 11:39 AM	D&D Irony - A Dwarven term meaning "Sort of like Iron" Thank you Baldric.
Tibs 11-05-04, 02:24 PM	19. The one day you don't memorize fireball is the one day you fight trolls. 20. You don't bring the donkey or the cart to the goblin cave (acting under the assumption that "they're just goblins, how much can they have?") only to get there and discover they've been pillaging merchant trains for months.
hiryuu 11-05-04, 03:49 PM	As an editor and former English major I'd like to point out that almost none of these are technically ironies (though neither is anything in the song, Isn't it Ironic, which, in and of itself, is the greatest irony). Irony can be described as an incongruence between what is excepted and what occurs (such as someone yelling at a roomate to clean his room when the aggressor's own room is more of a mess than the roomate's).....so, technically, yes, finding a ring of fire immunity in a red dragon's horde is, indeed, ironic. Ooh, I just remembered, there's also dramatic irony, where the viewer or reader is aware of something the protagonist is not (I try to avoid this when I write unless it's absolutely neccessary - keeps things interesting). In some uses, irony is a use of phrases to express a difference in meaning than what you intended (usually the opposite meaning). Is that what you meant by that sort of irony?
Krelios 11-05-04, 05:54 PM	Irony can be described as an incongruence between what is excepted and what occurs (such as someone yelling at a roomate to clean his room when the aggressor's own room is more of a mess than the roomate's).....so, technically, yes, finding a ring of fire immunity in a red dragon's horde is, indeed, ironic. Ooh, I just remembered, there's also dramatic irony, where the viewer or reader is aware of something the protagonist is not (I try to avoid this when I write unless it's absolutely neccessary - keeps things interesting). In some uses, irony is a use of phrases to express a difference in meaning than what you intended (usually the opposite meaning). Is that what you meant by that sort of irony? Like I said, most (as it, not all, but the majority) of these aren't ironic. That means, of course, that a few are. Dramatic Irony is the most common form of irony in literature and theater, but Historical Irony is often brought up in non-fiction sources. I was trying not to totally de-rail this thread with a list of which numbers were actually irony and which weren't, so let's keep this discussion elsewhere. :) Also, your definition of irony as "a use of phrases to express a difference in meaning than what you intended (usually the opposite meaning)" is only partially correct. That's only irony when the person on the receiving end of your antonym isn't aware that it has the opposite meaning. In text, that rarely translates and is often confused with double-entendre.