Complete Divine [Archive] - Wizards Community

Complete Divine [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Brent
10-06-04, 07:58 PM Alright, I recently picked up a copy of Complete Warrior and was delighted with how useful I found it. I was wandering how people would rate Complete Divine.

For a Player:
For a DM:
Compared to Complete Warrior:
Kalanth
10-06-04, 08:29 PM Most would say that complete divine is blah in comparison, but personally I love it. I use a lot of clerical based characters and NPC's, so I feel that the Complete Divine is an invaluable resource for that department. PrC's are ok, but I like the chapter on the Divine World, and what happens when you die.
Seeker95
10-06-04, 10:27 PM Comparison? Equal.
Need? As a player, I wouldn't get it. My DM will decide what is allowed.
As a DM, I like them. They let me flesh out my campaign as I desire.
JabberWocky
10-06-04, 10:55 PM For a Player: I find it incredibly useful, offering a wide selection of prestige classes and feats that enhance divine spellcasters immeasurably. The Radiant Servant of Pelor PrC is invaluable to a party that needs that extra healing badly, and if there's undead in the game...ouch.

For a DM: It gives just as many new ways to create nasty servants of evil gods as well as new items to reward or punish your players with. The new artifact-like items are awesome things to seek out on session-spanning quests or to strive to dispose of before some horrible baddy can make use of them.

Compared to Complete Warrior: It's to divine spellcasters what Complete Warrior is to fighter-types, essentially. There's so much introduced, and personally I like both books.

JabberWocky gives it and Complete Warrior two thumbs up. Caution: As with any supplement, review the material yourself before allowing it in your games.
Fixxxer
10-06-04, 11:57 PM I'm working on the last two chapters. Personally, I didn't find much in the book that I plan on putting to use in my own game. There was a PrC or two that gave me an idea or two, but nothing that stood out and screamed "Hey, jerkweed! Look at me! I'm useful!"
ImmortalBlueMage
10-07-04, 12:01 AM For a Player: I don't play often, so I'm probably not a good judge on this one, but I didn't find it too useful from a player's perspective. Many of the classes were too low powered or too obscure for me to want to specalize in them, and the "divine world" info was better for DMs. On the plus side, many of the spells were excellent, and I adored the Spirit Shaman as a core class.

For a DM: A solid resource for running your game. Many of the same PrCs that I found dull or blah as a player are very handy for DMs, since they seem to lend themselves better to NPCs than PCs (love the Evanglist especially). Info on the cosmology of DnD, details on deity pantheons, the nature of death and the planes, all very compelling.

Compared to Warrior: A dissapointment compared to Complete Warrior, as it was just less utility IMHO, but still a good buy, and enough to make me look forward to Complete Arcane and Complete Adventurer.
Martryn
10-07-04, 01:29 AM I personally think the book is great for both players and DM's, depending on whether the DM will allow the material. I liked the favored soul core class. It does for clerics what the sorcerer did for wizards.
There are also some really good prestige classes. I have a Pc who is taking the geomancer prestige class and I am rolling up a pious templar as an NPC. I think in the future I would consider playing a war priest.
I am also introducing faith feats into my campaign.
They have two full chapters that are extremely useful to DM's. The Deity chapter takes each of the core gods and breaks down what training the clergy go through, examples of their prayers, quests their paladins and clerics can undergo, what their temples look like, and what outsiders the deity is aligned with and often use as messengers. The chapter on the divine world is a great supplement for a DM and is filled with great campaign ideas.
And of course the new selection of divine spells is wonderful. I especially like the new paladin spells.

I would rank the Complete Divine as different than the Complete Warrior. I liked the classes in the compete warrior more, but I liked the complete divine better in all other aspects. They have about equal influence in my campaign, but I look up things in the Complete Divine more often because I use the Complete Warrior mostly for character creation.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Brent 10-06-04, 07:58 PM	Alright, I recently picked up a copy of Complete Warrior and was delighted with how useful I found it. I was wandering how people would rate Complete Divine. For a Player: For a DM: Compared to Complete Warrior:
Kalanth 10-06-04, 08:29 PM	Most would say that complete divine is blah in comparison, but personally I love it. I use a lot of clerical based characters and NPC's, so I feel that the Complete Divine is an invaluable resource for that department. PrC's are ok, but I like the chapter on the Divine World, and what happens when you die.
Seeker95 10-06-04, 10:27 PM	Comparison? Equal. Need? As a player, I wouldn't get it. My DM will decide what is allowed. As a DM, I like them. They let me flesh out my campaign as I desire.
JabberWocky 10-06-04, 10:55 PM	For a Player: I find it incredibly useful, offering a wide selection of prestige classes and feats that enhance divine spellcasters immeasurably. The Radiant Servant of Pelor PrC is invaluable to a party that needs that extra healing badly, and if there's undead in the game...ouch. For a DM: It gives just as many new ways to create nasty servants of evil gods as well as new items to reward or punish your players with. The new artifact-like items are awesome things to seek out on session-spanning quests or to strive to dispose of before some horrible baddy can make use of them. Compared to Complete Warrior: It's to divine spellcasters what Complete Warrior is to fighter-types, essentially. There's so much introduced, and personally I like both books. JabberWocky gives it and Complete Warrior two thumbs up. Caution: As with any supplement, review the material yourself before allowing it in your games.
Fixxxer 10-06-04, 11:57 PM	I'm working on the last two chapters. Personally, I didn't find much in the book that I plan on putting to use in my own game. There was a PrC or two that gave me an idea or two, but nothing that stood out and screamed "Hey, jerkweed! Look at me! I'm useful!"
ImmortalBlueMage 10-07-04, 12:01 AM	For a Player: I don't play often, so I'm probably not a good judge on this one, but I didn't find it too useful from a player's perspective. Many of the classes were too low powered or too obscure for me to want to specalize in them, and the "divine world" info was better for DMs. On the plus side, many of the spells were excellent, and I adored the Spirit Shaman as a core class. For a DM: A solid resource for running your game. Many of the same PrCs that I found dull or blah as a player are very handy for DMs, since they seem to lend themselves better to NPCs than PCs (love the Evanglist especially). Info on the cosmology of DnD, details on deity pantheons, the nature of death and the planes, all very compelling. Compared to Warrior: A dissapointment compared to Complete Warrior, as it was just less utility IMHO, but still a good buy, and enough to make me look forward to Complete Arcane and Complete Adventurer.
Martryn 10-07-04, 01:29 AM	I personally think the book is great for both players and DM's, depending on whether the DM will allow the material. I liked the favored soul core class. It does for clerics what the sorcerer did for wizards. There are also some really good prestige classes. I have a Pc who is taking the geomancer prestige class and I am rolling up a pious templar as an NPC. I think in the future I would consider playing a war priest. I am also introducing faith feats into my campaign. They have two full chapters that are extremely useful to DM's. The Deity chapter takes each of the core gods and breaks down what training the clergy go through, examples of their prayers, quests their paladins and clerics can undergo, what their temples look like, and what outsiders the deity is aligned with and often use as messengers. The chapter on the divine world is a great supplement for a DM and is filled with great campaign ideas. And of course the new selection of divine spells is wonderful. I especially like the new paladin spells. I would rank the Complete Divine as different than the Complete Warrior. I liked the classes in the compete warrior more, but I liked the complete divine better in all other aspects. They have about equal influence in my campaign, but I look up things in the Complete Divine more often because I use the Complete Warrior mostly for character creation.