Complete Monks? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Complete Monks? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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The Mad Dragon
11-18-05, 02:07 PM Is there a complete monks book?
Thwyvylyn
11-18-05, 02:15 PM I think they are covered in either the complete warrior or the complete divine.
Elbethamore
11-18-05, 06:38 PM Complete Warrior has some good stuff in it for monks, and I seem to recall that both Complete Divine and Complete Adventurer have some useful material as well.

There is no supplement in 3.5 specific to Monks, though. In general, the Complete series provides material for broad groups of character features, rather than going class-by-class.
Bluebrush
11-18-05, 07:07 PM Also, if you don't mind converting it to 3.5 rules, check out your gaming store for the 3.0 "Sword and Fist" book.
sandskimmer
11-18-05, 07:08 PM The 3.0 supplement Sword & Fist also has a lot of stuff for monks.
BladeDrinker
11-18-05, 11:01 PM Complete Arcane also has some stuff like the Enlightened Fist.
Rocketboy13
11-18-05, 11:08 PM Seeing them release 11 individual complete books for each class would be interesting, but a little thin, I like the current complete series. :)
Scipion Emilien
11-18-05, 11:20 PM In order to cover more options by books, they make more general books that cover the warrior, divine, magical or skillfull area.

So if you want more about martial prowess, complete warrior would be the way to go, on the others if you want to put the emphasis on KI or on spiritual matter, complete divine would be better, if it is the skills that interest you, complete adventurers is the way to go.

Any idea of what you look specially for your monk character so we could point out the book than can help you the more for the usage you cwant to do?

And like others said, the "sword n fist" book is 3.0 and have some good things about monk. You ll need to do conversion to 3.5 but the books will probably cost less because the shop will try to throw out their old stock.
Callahan
11-19-05, 12:49 AM Is there a complete monks book?
I think you're looking for the Quintessential Monk by Mongoose Publishing
Silverthumb128
11-19-05, 02:25 AM I think you're looking for the Quintessential Monk by Mongoose Publishing

That's what I thought, as well.
Tyler Do'Urden
11-19-05, 02:35 AM The Quintessential series kinda lacked polish. Some things were very easy to break (Iron Legs Kickboxer), some things were very hard to make useful (Twin Warriors).

Most of the decent monk feats from Sword & Fist and Oriental Adventures made it into Complete Warrior.

You know, no single class is really entirely confined to one book. There are fighter feats in Complete Adventurer, Master of the Unseen Hand is in Complete Warrior. Part of the point of the generic titles is that multiple classes can fill the same niche.
The Mad Dragon
11-19-05, 02:35 AM That is a 3.5 book, correct?
Tyler Do'Urden
11-19-05, 02:39 AM The Quintessential series is 3.0 and third party. Maybe they updated it, I don't know, but I doubt it.
rkr1970
11-19-05, 02:24 PM Also, like all 3rd party d20 material, you need to be careful.

Some of the Quintessential books are great. The balance is often a bit off and your DM needs to rework much of it, but the ideas are fantastic. WOW!!

Other books in the series are worthless. No balance, spells that no one would need, feats that are grossly over- or under powered, PrCs aimed at NPCs more than PCs... Yeech!

While I won't say that none of the WotC D&D stuff is broken, compared to what a few of the off-brand supplements offer, the worst WotC stuff isn't even bent by comparison.

Other off-brand d20 stuff is a must have! Pay special attention to who wrote it. Monte Cook has a better handle on game balance than most of the guys out there. Not surprising, considering how much of the current system he helped write.
Callahan
11-19-05, 03:06 PM there's also Byond Monks (http://www.goodman-games.com/4300preview.php) .

It's a bit more unconventional and has options to mix monk with other classes (eg. Mix rogue with monk to get a ninja). It's creative but needs to have an experienced DM.

It's basicly alternative rules.
simon_tage
11-19-05, 11:07 PM Personally I found the Quintessential series to be bunk. I don't recommend them.
rkr1970
11-19-05, 11:41 PM Personally I found the Quintessential series to be bunk. I don't recommend them.
Didn't you like the idea of the character concepts? That's my favorite part of the entire series! There are only a couple I wouldn't allow. Other than that, 15 or 20 PrC's from the 30 or so books, a handful of equipment, and I think maybe 4 spells I liked, yes, almost all the rules were bunk! But the ideas, especially the fluffy stuff, are great! They are almost worth the PDF price by themselves. (Do NOT buy them in hardcopy! They aren't worth nearly that much!)

And being bunk, that doesn't mean it's not exactly what the OP wants.
Scipion Emilien
11-19-05, 11:43 PM While having some broken crunch, the quintessal serie seem to have a lot of good fluff that can easily be adapt by the DM.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
The Mad Dragon 11-18-05, 02:07 PM	Is there a complete monks book?
Thwyvylyn 11-18-05, 02:15 PM	I think they are covered in either the complete warrior or the complete divine.
Elbethamore 11-18-05, 06:38 PM	Complete Warrior has some good stuff in it for monks, and I seem to recall that both Complete Divine and Complete Adventurer have some useful material as well. There is no supplement in 3.5 specific to Monks, though. In general, the Complete series provides material for broad groups of character features, rather than going class-by-class.
Bluebrush 11-18-05, 07:07 PM	Also, if you don't mind converting it to 3.5 rules, check out your gaming store for the 3.0 "Sword and Fist" book.
sandskimmer 11-18-05, 07:08 PM	The 3.0 supplement Sword & Fist also has a lot of stuff for monks.
BladeDrinker 11-18-05, 11:01 PM	Complete Arcane also has some stuff like the Enlightened Fist.
Rocketboy13 11-18-05, 11:08 PM	Seeing them release 11 individual complete books for each class would be interesting, but a little thin, I like the current complete series. :)
Scipion Emilien 11-18-05, 11:20 PM	In order to cover more options by books, they make more general books that cover the warrior, divine, magical or skillfull area. So if you want more about martial prowess, complete warrior would be the way to go, on the others if you want to put the emphasis on KI or on spiritual matter, complete divine would be better, if it is the skills that interest you, complete adventurers is the way to go. Any idea of what you look specially for your monk character so we could point out the book than can help you the more for the usage you cwant to do? And like others said, the "sword n fist" book is 3.0 and have some good things about monk. You ll need to do conversion to 3.5 but the books will probably cost less because the shop will try to throw out their old stock.
Callahan 11-19-05, 12:49 AM	Is there a complete monks book? I think you're looking for the Quintessential Monk by Mongoose Publishing
Silverthumb128 11-19-05, 02:25 AM	I think you're looking for the Quintessential Monk by Mongoose Publishing That's what I thought, as well.
Tyler Do'Urden 11-19-05, 02:35 AM	The Quintessential series kinda lacked polish. Some things were very easy to break (Iron Legs Kickboxer), some things were very hard to make useful (Twin Warriors). Most of the decent monk feats from Sword & Fist and Oriental Adventures made it into Complete Warrior. You know, no single class is really entirely confined to one book. There are fighter feats in Complete Adventurer, Master of the Unseen Hand is in Complete Warrior. Part of the point of the generic titles is that multiple classes can fill the same niche.
The Mad Dragon 11-19-05, 02:35 AM	That is a 3.5 book, correct?
Tyler Do'Urden 11-19-05, 02:39 AM	The Quintessential series is 3.0 and third party. Maybe they updated it, I don't know, but I doubt it.
rkr1970 11-19-05, 02:24 PM	Also, like all 3rd party d20 material, you need to be careful. Some of the Quintessential books are great. The balance is often a bit off and your DM needs to rework much of it, but the ideas are fantastic. WOW!! Other books in the series are worthless. No balance, spells that no one would need, feats that are grossly over- or under powered, PrCs aimed at NPCs more than PCs... Yeech! While I won't say that none of the WotC D&D stuff is broken, compared to what a few of the off-brand supplements offer, the worst WotC stuff isn't even bent by comparison. Other off-brand d20 stuff is a must have! Pay special attention to who wrote it. Monte Cook has a better handle on game balance than most of the guys out there. Not surprising, considering how much of the current system he helped write.
Callahan 11-19-05, 03:06 PM	there's also Byond Monks (http://www.goodman-games.com/4300preview.php) . It's a bit more unconventional and has options to mix monk with other classes (eg. Mix rogue with monk to get a ninja). It's creative but needs to have an experienced DM. It's basicly alternative rules.
simon_tage 11-19-05, 11:07 PM	Personally I found the Quintessential series to be bunk. I don't recommend them.
rkr1970 11-19-05, 11:41 PM	Personally I found the Quintessential series to be bunk. I don't recommend them. Didn't you like the idea of the character concepts? That's my favorite part of the entire series! There are only a couple I wouldn't allow. Other than that, 15 or 20 PrC's from the 30 or so books, a handful of equipment, and I think maybe 4 spells I liked, yes, almost all the rules were bunk! But the ideas, especially the fluffy stuff, are great! They are almost worth the PDF price by themselves. (Do NOT buy them in hardcopy! They aren't worth nearly that much!) And being bunk, that doesn't mean it's not exactly what the OP wants.
Scipion Emilien 11-19-05, 11:43 PM	While having some broken crunch, the quintessal serie seem to have a lot of good fluff that can easily be adapt by the DM.