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Gworraent 01-06-08, 12:50 PM	I bought Confessions of a Part-Time Sorceress as a gift for my friend. His GF has expressed some interest in learning how to play after hearing us talk about it all the time. I thought this would be a great book to give him for Christmas. It's a fun read, but I imagine it would be more fun were I female. Anywho...my question is: Has anyone tried the recipe for the "Initiative Rolls" or "Mama's Magic Meatballs"? If so, what do you think. Mama's Magic Meatballs 1 bag of frozen meatballs (I prefer to make my own :D ) 1 jar of chili sauce 1 jar of grape jelly (WTF????) Throw these in a crock pot for four hours and you're done. Initiative Rolls 1 package (or more) or refrigerated dinner rolls 4-6 oz of Gorgonzola cheese 1/4 teaspoon of dried herbs such as rosemary or oregano 2-3 teaspoon of chopped walnuts Bake rolls according to directions. Mix cheese, herbs, and nuts together. Let rolls cool 5 minutes before squishing cheese mixture into center of rolls. Back for 2-4 minutes or until cheese begins to melt. Serve warm with a nice bottle of already-herbed olive oil, or be adventurous and add your own herbs to plain extra-virgin olive oil. Dunk away! I'm not so sure about the grape jelly/chili sauce combo for the Magic Missile Meatballs, but I'll try it. As for the Initiative Rolls, they sound pretty good. But getting the cheese in the rolls at the right time and amount seems like the hardest part, which isn't very hard at all.
lulzapalooza 01-06-08, 01:06 PM	I'm from Texas, home of Chili, and I'd just like to point out that although it's technically against the unwritten chili rules to put grape jelly in it, it would taste okay. Just don't put bean or corn in chili, because everytime you do I can feel the chili-force grow weaker.
Jaxgaret 01-06-08, 01:53 PM	I thought that the grape jelly meatball chili sounded disgusting the first time I heard about it too, but some friends of mine informed me that it's actually a fairly common recipe and tastes pretty good. I've never actually tried it, though. Grape Jelly Meatballs (http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=%22grape+jelly%22+meatball+chili&btnG=Search).
Tyhm 01-06-08, 03:55 PM	More recipes: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=942130
Gworraent 01-06-08, 07:17 PM	Thanks for the recipes/advice everybody! I just realized...with 4E, the book's really great explanation of 3.5E rules may be obsolete. As long as the base abilities, initiative, BAB, AC and the skills system don't change too radically this book will remain very relevant. Outside of the explanation of rules it debunks common myths about DnD that womenfolk have.
WizO_Kayn 01-07-08, 07:55 AM	I bought Confessions of a Part-Time Sorceress as a gift for my friend. His GF has expressed some interest in learning how to play after hearing us talk about it all the time. I thought this would be a great book to give him for Christmas. It's a fun read, but I imagine it would be more fun were I female. Anywho...my question is: Has anyone tried the recipe for the "Initiative Rolls" or "Mama's Magic Meatballs"? If so, what do you think. I'm not so sure about the grape jelly/chili sauce combo for the Magic Missile Meatballs, but I'll try it. As for the Initiative Rolls, they sound pretty good. But getting the cheese in the rolls at the right time and amount seems like the hardest part, which isn't very hard at all. oh yessss! I've had the Meatballs made by this recipe and its about the best Sweet and Sour Meatballs I've ever tasted. One word of explanation. The Chile Sauce isnt "chile" the way some of you might be thinking. Chile Sauce is that red sauce that comes in a jar like Catsup, its the stuff that you dunk shrimp into in a Shrimp Cocktail - you know? It's not Chile like.. the stuff you eat in a bowl. Two totally different things. So please dont make the meatballs with a can of chile and grape jelly! *shudders* : ) WizO Kayn
Gworraent 01-07-08, 08:02 AM	oh yessss! I've had the Meatballs made by this recipe and its about the best Sweet and Sour Meatballs I've ever tasted. One word of explanation. The Chile Sauce isnt "chile" the way some of you might be thinking. Chile Sauce is that red sauce that comes in a jar like Catsup, its the stuff that you dunk shrimp into in a Shrimp Cocktail - you know? It's not Chile like.. the stuff you eat in a bowl. Two totally different things. So please dont make the meatballs with a can of chile and grape jelly! *shudders* : ) WizO Kayn phew...that is a VERY important distinction that I would not have made.
Hsien 01-07-08, 08:14 AM	Grape Jelly isn't actually that unusual as a sweetener for meatballs. I prefer to use boysenberry or huckleberry when I can find it.
HermitIX 01-07-08, 01:54 PM	I will have to try that meat ball one. For the record, I am from Texas and I like beans in my chili. (Not corn though)
lulzapalooza 01-10-08, 01:28 AM	I will have to try that meat ball one. For the record, I am from Texas and I like beans in my chili. (Not corn though) Well you're not a real Texan then. Sorry, man, I didn't make the rules. Get out now. http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u162/lulzapalooza/texas.jpg
Jaxgaret 01-10-08, 02:25 AM	What do texans have against beans in chili?
Escef 01-10-08, 06:23 AM	I dunno. Maybe it has something to do with those ridiculous hats they wear.
metalmayhem80110 01-11-08, 02:24 PM	Maybe a lack of beans or corn in their food gives them the accent... *Shudders* If they just threw that stuff in there, maybe there wouldn't be any more "Howdys" or even "Y'All"... We can only dream...
The_Shaman 01-11-08, 02:52 PM	What is this "Confessions of a Part-Time Sorceress" about, anyway?
Caffeine_Genasi 01-11-08, 03:10 PM	Dude, if you are that picky about chili, never, for the love of all that is good and blessed in the world, order chili in a restaurant in Cincinnati. You would probably have an anurism.
_Jayne_Cobb_ 01-11-08, 03:26 PM	oh yessss! I've had the Meatballs made by this recipe and its about the best Sweet and Sour Meatballs I've ever tasted. One word of explanation. The Chile Sauce isnt "chile" the way some of you might be thinking. Chile Sauce is that red sauce that comes in a jar like Catsup, its the stuff that you dunk shrimp into in a Shrimp Cocktail - you know? It's not Chile like.. the stuff you eat in a bowl. Two totally different things. So please dont make the meatballs with a can of chile and grape jelly! *shudders* That's not chili sauce, it's ketchup mixed with horseradish. Chili sauce is a red sauce, but that is not that one.
_Jayne_Cobb_ 01-11-08, 03:28 PM	Well you're not a real Texan then. Sorry, man, I didn't make the rules. Get out now. Meh. I'd rather eat good food and feel satisfied than bad food and feel superior.
Aethan 01-11-08, 03:40 PM	What is this "Confessions of a Part-Time Sorceress" about, anyway? It's a book about role-playing games, aimed largely at a female audience. It talks about the author's initial prejudices against the game, then her growing interest, then finally her actions in bringing other female friends into the gaming fold. It's pretty entertaining, actually. Check out the "Confessions of a Full-Time Wizard" section of DDi if you want a sense of what it reads like. - Andy
Cartigan 01-11-08, 03:58 PM	What do texans have against beans in chili? An unexpected amount of good sense?
Jaxgaret 01-12-08, 12:21 AM	An unexpected amount of good sense? What's wrong with beans in chili? I fail to see what the issue is.
Cartigan 01-12-08, 12:41 AM	What's wrong with beans in chili? I fail to see what the issue is. What's right with it? Though, it's better than putting corn in everything, beans really don't add anything, except for beans.
Jaxgaret 01-12-08, 12:48 AM	What's right with it? Though, it's better than putting corn in everything, beans really don't add anything, except for beans. Beans are very good for you, and taste good as well if prepared properly IMO.
1 ton ghost 01-12-08, 03:18 PM	Dude, if you are that picky about chili, never, for the love of all that is good and blessed in the world, order chili in a restaurant in Cincinnati. You would probably have an anurism. ah...i knew this was coming eventually. well, here it goes. you can get the regular TexMex variety at most mom n' pop restaraunts here, Perkins, Bob Evans, whatever. however, Cincinnatians, Northern KY are ravenous about their chili. we're talking jihadist-like fandom. it's been this way since...God, well before my time anyway. local outfits Skyline (my preference) and Goldstar predominate. they're everywhere here. like BK and McDon's basically in these parts. there's at least 3-4 chili restaraunts w/in 1mi. of my house. very crowded market... anyway, "cincinnati-style" is usually darker/thinner (no chunks of anything) and heavy on the spice/meat served over spagetti (pasta only) w/ a mountain of shredded cheddar, hot sauce optional. typically, don't laugh, we call this a "3-way"...and it has spawned a ton of jokes and cracks when you're drunk after club w/ a few girls/guys looking for a bite @ 3am. 4-way is the same w/ beans, 5 w/ onions, etc. think the original recipe is Greek in origin which surprised the Hell out of me, but nevertheless, i swear by it. like Phillies in Philly, deep dish in Chicago, chowder in New England, our little culinary contribution i guess.
ChaoticGood 01-13-08, 01:58 AM	Actually, from my experience in Texas, there are plenty of places that put beans in their chili... just not as many, and they use pinto beans rather than the kidney beans that are more common in the rest of the country. And for the die-hard "no beans" Texans, the reason for putting beans in chili is that they are a heck of a lot less expensive than quality ground chuck... which also explains the animosity that chili connoisseur. ;) Cincinnati chili, though? Don't even get me started on that stuff! Cincinnati "spicy sauce that can be used to make chili" is more like it...
Caffeine_Genasi 01-13-08, 03:34 PM	1 ton ghost, Don't get me wrong, I was talking about the Texas guy's views on chili. I LOVE Cincinnati chili. I would camp out at Skyline if they had them around here. The closest (I think) is 8-10 hours away in eastern Kentucky. A Greek recipe? That is cool. I would love to try to find out more. I'll have to look into it. I have a lot of Greek friends (and study Greek in college). Now that you mention it, I can see the possibility that it was based on something Greek.
Ikeman04 01-13-08, 10:35 PM	I'm from Texas, home of Chili, and I'd just like to point out that although it's technically against the unwritten chili rules to put grape jelly in it, it would taste okay. Just don't put bean or corn in chili, because everytime you do I can feel the chili-force grow weaker. I'm from Minnesota, so I'll admit I know little to nothing about chili, but seriously, what the butt's wrong with beans in chili? I eat chili with beans in it all the time. Unless you're talking about baked beans, because that would be nasty. On the other hand, I know a whole buttload about SPAM. Hell, I've even been to the SPAM Museum. I've got SPAM t-shirts. I've eaten SPAM out of the can. I know SPAM, I eat SPAM, I am SPAM. I guess it's just a Midwesterner thing.
1 ton ghost 01-14-08, 08:17 PM	1 ton ghost, Don't get me wrong, I was talking about the Texas guy's views on chili. I LOVE Cincinnati chili. I would camp out at Skyline if they had them around here. The closest (I think) is 8-10 hours away in eastern Kentucky. A Greek recipe? That is cool. I would love to try to find out more. I'll have to look into it. I have a lot of Greek friends (and study Greek in college). Now that you mention it, I can see the possibility that it was based on something Greek. well, Skyline's Greek anyway. not sure about Goldstar..."official chili of the Reds" (our baseball team, heh) my ass. Skyline is the alpha male easilly. sorry about availability. i know you can get it frozen/canned at Kroger's for what it's worth. oh, and Umberlee wants her yearly tribute/rent as per listed residency. cheers.
Hot_Sauce 01-14-08, 08:53 PM	I'm from Minnesota, so I'll admit I know little to nothing about chili, but seriously, what the butt's wrong with beans in chili? I eat chili with beans in it all the time. Unless you're talking about baked beans, because that would be nasty. On the other hand, I know a whole buttload about SPAM. Hell, I've even been to the SPAM Museum. I've got SPAM t-shirts. I've eaten SPAM out of the can. I know SPAM, I eat SPAM, I am SPAM. I guess it's just a Midwesterner thing. I, on the other hand, have never once even seen Spam out of the jar in my entire 18 years of living in Minnesota. What's it like?
Jaxgaret 01-14-08, 09:08 PM	I, on the other hand, have never once even seen Spam out of the jar in my entire 18 years of living in Minnesota. What's it like? It depends on the person. I, for instance, prefer Spam to regular cooked Ham. Also, Spam usually comes in a tin, not a jar.
Hot_Sauce 01-14-08, 09:11 PM	That's what I meant.
_Jayne_Cobb_ 01-15-08, 10:00 AM	I've never understood people who get all bent out of shape over crap food. Chili was created to use up scraps and leftovers, to feed to bar patrons. it is the cooked equivalent of modern bar peanuts. Getting all purist and elitist over stewed leftovers is just as ridiculous as the guy a few months back who flipped out cos people ruined the purity of hot dogs by putting ketchup on them (lips and ***holes FTW).
Escef 01-15-08, 11:27 AM	...as ridiculous as the guy a few months back who flipped out cos people ruined the purity of hot dogs by putting ketchup on them (lips and ***holes FTW). Well, ketchup is clealy identifiable as a tomato derivative. Whereas hot dogs are not clearly derivative of anything. Obviously, one is ruining the purity of the unknown.
Dog_O_War 01-15-08, 11:53 AM	Maybe a lack of beans or corn in their food gives them the accent... *Shudders* If they just threw that stuff in there, maybe there wouldn't be any more "Howdys" or even "Y'All"... We can only dream... I can't speak for the "y'alls", that's purely an american thing. But beans don't make Albertans say "howdy", and we eat beans in our chili. Ofcourse it's usually followed with a pepto chaser, but that's for an entirely different matter. I've never been to a Skyline restaraunt; what states are they in?
Sakaki22 01-15-08, 02:07 PM	I've actually been wondering where you can find all of the other recipies Shelly mentions, but doesn't give ingredients too. Has she left any word to her recipies online, I'd love to try them. And as another Cincinnati native here, I'm gonna have to disagree on the Skyline. Goldstar is clearly superior, unless you're a large fan of salt. But that's my opinion, and to each their own. S'all good eatin'. (On a more personal note, Cincinnati style chili and traditional chili are hardly comparable. So they're both soups made primarily of water and beef. Some people add chilis and peppers and tomatoes. Others add tomato paste, spices, and chocolate. That's what's great about cuisine, it's amazing what a few hundred miles of people can do to food!)
Count Arioch the 28th 01-15-08, 02:18 PM	I didn't realize that they made chili without beans in it. I assumed that beans were part of the thing you put in chili to make it chili in the first place. It's like I realized that people eat chocolate cake without any sugar in it.
crystalseas 01-15-08, 02:38 PM	Clarifications: Chili is a meat (and sometimes bean*) dish that is usually served in a bowl like a stew or soup. Sometimes it's ladled over something else, like a hot dog or a baked potato. Chili sauce is a tomato product that is made from tomatoes, onions, garlic, vinegar and sweeteners. It looks similar to ketchup, but has some different ingredients and is sold as a separate product. [this is what you want for Shelly's recipe]. Seafood cocktail sauce is also sold as an entirely different product. However, the recipe for making your own seafood cocktail sauce usually requires adding horseradish to the aforementioned chili sauce. And chiles are what goes into chili to make it edible.
Edymnion 01-15-08, 09:23 PM	What do texans have against beans in chili?I dunno, especially when you consider that the origins of chili, as in the mexican dish, specifically does *NOT* have meat in it. Thats chili con carne. When referring to plain chili, it is strictly beans and chili powder, usually some chopped onion, etc. No meat. Saying you like the beans in chili is like saying you like the tortilla chips in nachos. Its the primary ingredient.
Jaxgaret 01-15-08, 11:13 PM	As usual, Wikipedia has been most informative on this issue: Pinto beans (frijoles), a staple of Tex-Mex cooking, have long been associated with chili and the question of whether beans "belong" in chili has been a matter of contention amongst chili cooks for an equally long time. It is likely that in many poorer areas of San Antonio and other places associated with the origins of chili, beans were used rather than meat or in addition to meat due to poverty. In that regard, it has been suggested by some chili aficionados that there were probably two chili types made in the world, depending on what could be afforded and how frugal the cook was. As chili spread east into areas where beef was more expensive (beef was plentiful and cheap in San Antonio and other cattle towns), chili with Pinto or other beans became more prevalent. In some eastern areas, this dish is referred to as "chili beans" while the term chili is reserved for the all-meat dish. Other changes included the adding of other vegetables. Tomatoes are almost always used, bell peppers are common and even celery appears in recipes. Many easterners are just as adamant about the inclusion of beans in their chili for an authentic flavor as Texans are about their exclusion. Most commercially prepared canned chili includes beans. Commercial chili prepared without beans is usually called "Chili No Beans". A vocal minority of self-styled 'chili experts' believe that beans and chili should always be cooked separately and served on the side. It is then up to the consumer to stir his preferred quantity of beans into his own bowl. Some cooks prefer black beans, black-eyed peas, or kidney beans instead of pinto beans. A popular saying among self-proclaimed chili purists is "If you know beans about chili, you know chili ain't got no beans". The thought that beans do not belong in chili may be further credited to the fact that most official chili cookoffs do not allow beans. In many cases a chili will be disqualified if it contains such ingredients considered filler. The bolded part is probably the primary source of the confusion. Eastern chili has beans. Texas chili doesn't.
Count Arioch the 28th 01-16-08, 11:34 AM	Texas isn't the same thing as southern. Yes, Texas is in the southern portion of the US geographically, but it's not a southern state culturally. Texas is its own entity culturally.
Edymnion 01-16-08, 12:19 PM	Texas isn't the same thing as southern.Agreed.
Ikeman04 01-16-08, 04:09 PM	I, on the other hand, have never once even seen Spam out of the jar in my entire 18 years of living in Minnesota. What's it like? You can Googlesearch an image of the can, but the actual meat looks kind of like a cross between a chunk of ham and a peice of lunchmeat. It's physically just like meat. It tastes like a cross between bacon and any honey ham lunchmeat, but it tastes just like seasoned ham when cooked. The ingredients are pretty much just ham, salt, water, and sugar.
Jaxgaret 01-16-08, 04:24 PM	Texas isn't the same thing as southern. Yes, Texas is in the southern portion of the US geographically, but it's not a southern state culturally. Texas is its own entity culturally. Agreed. Sorry about that. I didn't mean to imply that Texan and Southern were the same thing. I'll edit my previous statement for accuracy. An interesting fact: there are three primary power grids in the U.S. - Western, Eastern, and Texas. http://www.eere.energy.gov/de/images/map_power_grid_interconnects.gif
Trench-Raider 01-16-08, 05:10 PM	Texas isn't the same thing as southern. Yes, Texas is in the southern portion of the US geographically, but it's not a southern state culturally. Texas is its own entity culturally. He is correct. Texas has a distinct culture and "feel" that is quite distinct from other Southwestern and Southcentral states. i've lived here all my life, but have travelled often enough to recognize it's unique nature. But the distinct Texas culture is going to be a thing of the past inside of 20 or so years. With the demographic decline caused by unchecked (mostly illegal) immigration from Mexico the state suffered a serious blow to it's culture and language. The Texas culture is being steadilly replaced with a third world culture along with all the problems that brings. This downward trend has no signs of stopping or even slowing in the forseeable future. I love the state I grew up in, but I no longer recognize it. I retire in another four or five years and will probably be moving away. TR Who thinks beans in chili is akin to putting mayonase on a peanutbutter and jelly sandwich...
Etarnon 01-17-08, 12:23 AM	The ingredients are pretty much just ham, salt, water, and sugar. ...and MSG.
lulzapalooza 01-17-08, 01:08 AM	As a chilli fan, I don't like seeing extra crap in my chilli what ain't chilli. By the way, ketchup isn't much respected in Texas either, including on hotdogs.
1 ton ghost 01-17-08, 01:26 PM	And as another Cincinnati native here, I'm gonna have to disagree on the Skyline. Goldstar is clearly superior, unless you're a large fan of salt. But that's my opinion, and to each their own. S'all good eatin'. (On a more personal note, Cincinnati style chili and traditional chili are hardly comparable. So they're both soups made primarily of water and beef. Some people add chilis and peppers and tomatoes. Others add tomato paste, spices, and chocolate. That's what's great about cuisine, it's amazing what a few hundred miles of people can do to food!) truer words were never spoken. though i gotta' stick to my guns about Skyline though. it's rare, but ever had Empress Chili? think there's one around Deer Park. you said you're a native, but list KY as residency. move? covington and newport count i guess, all apart of the metroplex anyway... as for texas...err, that's Texas, poor Texas. it was once great. flooded w/ illegals, a soaring violent crime rate (Houston/Dallas) from all those "displaced" from Katrina, and a long and bloody history along a hotly debated river, cowboys, oil, and more chili than you can shake a stick at... it's just food, but i know it's their lifeblood down there, so respect. extraterritoriality; i know they are distinct and have no problem telling you how unique and special they are apart from the South and the country as a whole...guess that's why they seceeded from the Union but came on back. i don't know, guess my blood is too thick for that place i guess.
Sakaki22 01-17-08, 04:04 PM	Oops, sorry. I'm so used to saying Cincinnati so that, on a national scale, people have a sense of where I live, that I forgot that it's not really Cinci. Covington native to be precise, Cincinnati region resident. It's not like we don't have your airport :P Never had Empress. Just Skyline, Goldstar, and Dixie. Dixie Chili's not too bad.
Ikeman04 01-17-08, 04:45 PM	...and MSG. I have an empty can on my dresser. the ingredients are pork with ham, salt, water, sugar, and sodium nitrite. Sodium nitrite is NaNO2. MSG is C5H8NNaO4. No MSG, but it is chok-full of preservatives.
ORC_Chaos 01-17-08, 06:01 PM	Would you like a little "Confessions of a Part Time Sorceress" with your chili thread? Since it's the current topic, I make a delicious home made chili. I use dried kidney beans that have soaked over night, then cooked on low in the crockpot for a day, then the next day I'll make the chili. I prefer using home canned home-grown tomatoes. I have to make it low fat and low salt now due to health issues with myself and my husband, but it still turns out awesome. For the record, I'm in East Tennessee.
LifeIshFun 01-18-08, 02:42 PM	Lemme see. Dunno if I am the only one but in my humble opinion; black eyed peas must go in chili. Sorry. They just must...oh...and I am from Nashville, TN assuming that makes any difference (probably not...o_o) I'm one of those "equal-opportunity" chili eaters. It doesn't really matter to me what is in the chili (as far as beans and what have you)...so long as it's chili I am all for it.
lulzapalooza 01-18-08, 11:56 PM	For the record, I'm in East Tennessee. I can tell. :nonono:
Jaxgaret 01-19-08, 02:53 AM	Y'all Texans still haven't answered the question: what's so bad about beans in chili? You make it sound like it's equivalent to drinking white wine with steak - just not to be done.
Trench-Raider 01-19-08, 10:56 AM	Y'all Texans still haven't answered the question: what's so bad about beans in chili? Well, for this Texan it's pretty simple. I don't like beans. At all. Period. I won't eat beans of any kind as a side dish and won't use them in my cooking either. But that's just a personal reason. As to why it's not a general practice in the state, I can just assume that it's a traditional or cultural thing. Which is just fine with me as I can feel safe going into most resturaunts and ordering chili without having to ask if it comes with beans! :P TR
Bloodsoul 01-19-08, 10:56 AM	Anybody else feel like watching Blazing Saddles, now?
kelvinaw273 01-19-08, 11:45 AM	For some more interesting food, I recommend "Nanny Ogg's Cookbook" with such endearing recipes as rat-on-a-stick (genuine dwarf delicacy), Ankh-Morpock Slumpie, Lancre Mint Cake (useful for stunning trolls) and for the romantically inclined, Banana Soup Suprise.
1 ton ghost 01-19-08, 12:55 PM	Anybody else feel like watching Blazing Saddles, now? riippp, ffffrrt, splooosh "you want some beans mr. taggart?" "...i'd say you boys have had enough." sorry, had to go there. mongo like candy and all. all this deviation from this book too, oh well. good review on Amazon for what it's worth and it sounds promising. my g/f and a few other female gamers in the mix swear by it for what it's worth. Leaves from the Inn of the Last Home (a Dragonlance travel logue so to speak) is similar in scope. all manner of songs (Lord Soth's is incredibly creepy when actually performed), maps, fluff pieces/stories, and an extensive recipe section. Otiluke's (proprietar of the Inn) Spiced Potatos are actually damn good which surprised me. but of course, i am reminded of Fizban's Fireball Chili given the fandom therein of this thread. seems to be a gamer staple (chili, not this specific recipe anyway) in all circles/RPGs, startrek, warhammer, VtM, Cthulhu, everything. i think cuz' you can make it en mass to serve large groups of ppl (gamers), is low maintainence, and is adjusted easilly per taste, etc. anyway, worth a look.
lulzapalooza 01-21-08, 01:12 AM	Y'all Texans still haven't answered the question: what's so bad about beans in chili? You make it sound like it's equivalent to drinking white wine with steak - just not to be done. Beans in chilli is just a filler. Too have really authentic Texan chilli you have meat, chilli powder, mesa, ectera. It's all about the spices. Having too much in there makes it an overwhelming conglomeration of tastes, and it just doesn't mix. You can't apreciate skillfully prepared chilli when it's got alot of foofaraw in the way. It kind of is a social taboo in Texas to have beans in Chilli, though fewer and fewer people have the class to recognize it now. Other Texas taboos that might be lost on a outlander are: Buying land in the country and then clearing out all the underbrush so the little critters can get around easier, telling somebody that you like their 'ponies' or cows, wearing a felt hat in the day, and calling a cap a hat and a hat a cap.
kelvinaw273 01-21-08, 09:13 AM	Y'all Texans still haven't answered the question: what's so bad about beans in chili? The resulting by-products of digestion, to whit, methane tainted with trace chemicals. I know that, and I am by no means a Texan. Besides, methane is a strong greenhouse gas, many times more potent than carbon dioxide. Think of the planet, and pass on the beans!
Jaxgaret 01-21-08, 09:38 AM	The resulting by-products of digestion, to whit, methane tainted with trace chemicals. I know that, and I am by no means a Texan. Besides, methane is a strong greenhouse gas, many times more potent than carbon dioxide. Think of the planet, and pass on the beans! Actually, the product of human flatulation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatulation#Composition_of_flatus_gases) is mostly nitrogen, with little to no methane. That link also explains that an herbivorous diet (i.e. beans) causes flatulence to have much less of a bad odor as compared to a carnivorous diet (i.e. beef). Cows, on the other hand, contribute vast quantities of methane to the atmosphere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle#Environmental_impact). The very same cows that you get the beef in your chili from.
_Jayne_Cobb_ 01-21-08, 04:16 PM	Beans in chilli is just a filler. Too have really authentic Texan chilli you have meat, chilli powder, mesa, ectera. It's all about the spices. Having too much in there makes it an overwhelming conglomeration of tastes, and it just doesn't mix. You can't apreciate skillfully prepared chilli when it's got alot of foofaraw in the way. It kind of is a social taboo in Texas to have beans in Chilli, though fewer and fewer people have the class to recognize it now. Other Texas taboos that might be lost on a outlander are: Buying land in the country and then clearing out all the underbrush so the little critters can get around easier, telling somebody that you like their 'ponies' or cows, wearing a felt hat in the day, and calling a cap a hat and a hat a cap. All this rubbish about "proper" and "authentic" doesn't even touch on the actual proper and authentic dish. "Authentic Texan Chili" is just as silly as "Authentic Swedish Pad Thai" or "Authentic Peruvian Matzah Balls", that is to say the chili is not Texan at all. Indeed "Authentic Texas Chili" is a bit of am oxymoron as it was the Mexicans who invented to keep gringos fed in bars so they'd keep drinking beer. The name "chili con carne" means "peppers with meat"; in order to be truly authentic it needs nothing more than that. Sure Texans may have adopted and developed their own version of the dish, and chosen to pretend it is some sort of haute cuisine deserving of snobbishnesses, but they did not create it and it does not make that version definitive or the final arbiter of all other versions of the dish. If you like your local version then enjoy it, but don't imagine that just cos you like it or local myth holds that your region "owns" the dish that it somehow invalidates other versions. BTW, what is "ectera"?
lulzapalooza 01-21-08, 04:33 PM	All this rubbish about "proper" and "authentic" doesn't even touch on the actual proper and authentic dish. "Authentic Texan Chili" is just as silly as "Authentic Swedish Pad Thai" or "Authentic Peruvian Matzah Balls", that is to say the chili is not Texan at all. Indeed "Authentic Texas Chili" is a bit of am oxymoron as it was the Mexicans who invented to keep gringos fed in bars so they'd keep drinking beer. The name "chili con carne" means "peppers with meat"; in order to be truly authentic it needs nothing more than that. Sure Texans may have adopted and developed their own version of the dish, and chosen to pretend it is some sort of haute cuisine deserving of snobbishnesses, but they did not create it and it does not make that version definitive or the final arbiter of all other versions of the dish. If you like your local version then enjoy it, but don't imagine that just cos you like it or local myth holds that your region "owns" the dish that it somehow invalidates other versions. Dude, calm down, this is just a pointless discussion on chilli. No use getting bent out of shape. BTW, what is "ectera"? I meant etcetera. It was late when I wrote that.
lulzapalooza 01-21-08, 04:35 PM	Cows, on the other hand, contribute vast quantities of methane to the atmosphere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle#Environmental_impact). The very same cows that you get the beef in your chili from. That was lauded by PETA and they protested cattle farms. It begs the question; are they for animals or against them? Jesus christ, living things fart. Shut up about it, PETA.
Jaxgaret 01-21-08, 06:42 PM	That was lauded by PETA and they protested cattle farms. It begs the question; are they for animals or against them? Jesus christ, living things fart. Shut up about it, PETA. Alternative views on this issue note that the problem may not be cattle per se, but rather the concentration of cattle into feedlots, where they are fed a concentrated high-corn diet which produces rapid weight gain, but has side effects which include increased acidity in the digestive system. Manure and other byproducts of concentrated agriculture also have environmental consequences. PETA was campaigning against concentrating cattle into industrialesque feedlots. Treating cows ethically - that is, not packing them into spaces that would make you and me claustrophobic, let alone a cow many times our size and treating them like nothing more than byproducts instead of living animals - is PETA's main goal there. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Sure, PETA is a bunch of *******s a lot of the time, but this issue is a real problem. Cows destroy the environment, period, and industrializing beef output only exacerbates the problem.
lulzapalooza 01-21-08, 11:54 PM	Sure, PETA is a bunch of *******s a lot of the time, but this issue is a real problem. Cows destroy the environment, period, and industrializing beef output only exacerbates the problem. First of all, to the emphasised remark; Cows are part of the environment. They're naturally occuring creatures evolved on this earth. You might as well say birds and fish and honey bees are destroying the environment. You don't know me, so, I'm not taking offense at all. I'd just like to state that not all cow owners and ranchers are bad people. I feel very close to the enviroment and the land, and I hate it when I'm painted as a person who doesn't care. I recognize the problem; and it isn't farmland. It's like the David Allen Coe song, "All I can do is put it in a song." People are becoming complacent and willing to live in housing developments without character, people want to shop at walmart (Who along with the McDonald, and other chain hamburger joints, cow farms in South America own the vast majority of the "Massive Feed Lots") to save money even though it costs them their job, and the world thinks it NEEDS to drive and that there's no way not to polute. The world thinks it's normal to want because we've been taught it's normal to want. People who try to change are called crackpots and laughed at on sitcoms with their laughtracks and 'Joe Everyman' stereotype legends. Also, one last thing, up until they are killed my cows are treated humanely, and my family and I see the slaughtering and consumption of other living things as a thing that requires quiet respect and dignity (Despite the fun discussion on Chilli).
Escef 01-22-08, 01:45 AM	Dude, calm down, this is just a pointless discussion on chilli. No use getting bent out of shape. Trust me, he's calm. I think he's just commenting on the absurdity of it.
Jaxgaret 01-22-08, 09:52 AM	First of all, to the emphasised remark; Cows are part of the environment. They're naturally occuring creatures evolved on this earth. You might as well say birds and fish and honey bees are destroying the environment. I meant to an extent more significant than would taking other routes to produce food, including most other livestock. You don't know me, so, I'm not taking offense at all. I appreciate that, thank you. I didn't mean any offense. I'd just like to state that not all cow owners and ranchers are bad people. I feel very close to the enviroment and the land, and I hate it when I'm painted as a person who doesn't care. I recognize the problem; and it isn't farmland. It's like the David Allen Coe song, "All I can do is put it in a song." People are becoming complacent and willing to live in housing developments without character, people want to shop at walmart (Who along with the McDonald, and other chain hamburger joints, cow farms in South America own the vast majority of the "Massive Feed Lots") to save money even though it costs them their job, and the world thinks it NEEDS to drive and that there's no way not to polute. The world thinks it's normal to want because we've been taught it's normal to want. People who try to change are called crackpots and laughed at on sitcoms with their laughtracks and 'Joe Everyman' stereotype legends. Also, one last thing, up until they are killed my cows are treated humanely, and my family and I see the slaughtering and consumption of other living things as a thing that requires quiet respect and dignity (Despite the fun discussion on Chilli). Well, you sound like part of the solution, not the problem, certainly. All I can say is: espouse those views! Let people know what you think. Good luck, friend.
_Jayne_Cobb_ 01-22-08, 01:28 PM	Dude, calm down, this is just a pointless discussion on chilli. No use getting bent out of shape. Err, what makes you think I am anything but calm? It takes a helluva lot more than this inconsequential thread to get me even remotely close to upset. I meant etcetera. It was late when I wrote that. Ah, right. Sorry, I hope you didn't think I was calling you out or anything. Cheers. Trust me, he's calm. I think he's just commenting on the absurdity of it. Precisely. Got it in one. :)
Count Nerindil Van Seraph 01-22-08, 02:07 PM	Cows destroy the environment, period This is getting sigged, so hard.
Jaxgaret 01-22-08, 04:45 PM	This is getting sigged, so hard. Heh. I like the parenthetical addendum "being totally serious". I lmao'd at that. On a friendly note: do you deny the veracity of the statement? Also, let it be known that, at the time I made that post, I had been up for 33 straight hours. I probably should have put a little more thought into how to say what I was saying before I said it :)
Zombie_Babies 01-22-08, 05:08 PM	Cows are destroying the environment. That is why I eat steak at every opportunity. My arteries be damned!! I will save us from those filthy ungulates!
Jaxgaret 01-22-08, 10:37 PM	Cows are destroying the environment. That is why I eat steak at every opportunity. My arteries be damned!! I will save us from those filthy ungulates! :rofl:
John Paul Stoddard 01-22-08, 10:49 PM	Actually There is another PETA People Eating Tastey Animals Beef is Great..especially Grilled with Baked Potato and Garlic Bread
Jaxgaret 01-22-08, 10:51 PM	Actually There is another PEAT People Eating Tastey Animals Beef is Great..especially Grilled with Baked Potato and Garlic Bread I happen to agree with you. I love eating steak, as well as hamburgers, roast beef, prime rib, etc. I just admit that it's not the most socially responsible thing I could be doing, either.
Count Nerindil Van Seraph 01-22-08, 10:57 PM	Cows are destroying the environment. That is why I eat steak at every opportunity. My arteries be damned!! I will save us from those filthy ungulates! Truly, you are the greatest hero of our time. *Places hat over heart* do you deny the veracity of the statement? Yes. Yes I do.
Jaxgaret 01-22-08, 11:02 PM	Yes. Yes I do. Okay, state your reasoning/evidence. :)
Count Nerindil Van Seraph 01-22-08, 11:04 PM	Okay, state your reasoning/evidence. The statement was freaking retarded. "Cows are destroying the environment." They may be contributing to "greenhouse gases" or whatever, but cows are not destroying the environment.
Jaxgaret 01-22-08, 11:15 PM	The statement was freaking retarded. "Cows are destroying the environment." They may be contributing to "greenhouse gases" or whatever, but cows are not destroying the environment. Oh really? Here, read this excerpted article: Livestock a major threat to environment Remedies urgently needed 29 November 2006, Rome - Which causes more greenhouse gas emissions, rearing cattle or driving cars? Surprise! According to a new report published by the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization, the livestock sector generates more greenhouse gas emissions as measured in CO2 equivalent – 18 percent – than transport. It is also a major source of land and water degradation. Says Henning Steinfeld, Chief of FAO’s Livestock Information and Policy Branch and senior author of the report: “Livestock are one of the most significant contributors to today’s most serious environmental problems. Urgent action is required to remedy the situation.” With increased prosperity, people are consuming more meat and dairy products every year. Global meat production is projected to more than double from 229 million tonnes in 1999/2001 to 465 million tonnes in 2050, while milk output is set to climb from 580 to 1043 million tonnes. Long shadow The global livestock sector is growing faster than any other agricultural sub-sector. It provides livelihoods to about 1.3 billion people and contributes about 40 percent to global agricultural output. For many poor farmers in developing countries livestock are also a source of renewable energy for draft and an essential source of organic fertilizer for their crops. But such rapid growth exacts a steep environmental price, according to the FAO report, Livestock’s Long Shadow –Environmental Issues and Options. “The environmental costs per unit of livestock production must be cut by one half, just to avoid the level of damage worsening beyond its present level,” it warns. When emissions from land use and land use change are included, the livestock sector accounts for 9 percent of CO2 deriving from human-related activities, but produces a much larger share of even more harmful greenhouse gases. It generates 65 percent of human-related nitrous oxide, which has 296 times the Global Warming Potential (GWP) of CO2. Most of this comes from manure. And it accounts for respectively 37 percent of all human-induced methane (23 times as warming as CO2), which is largely produced by the digestive system of ruminants, and 64 percent of ammonia, which contributes significantly to acid rain. Livestock now use 30 percent of the earth’s entire land surface, mostly permanent pasture but also including 33 percent of the global arable land used to producing feed for livestock, the report notes. As forests are cleared to create new pastures, it is a major driver of deforestation, especially in Latin America where, for example, some 70 percent of former forests in the Amazon have been turned over to grazing. Land and water At the same time herds cause wide-scale land degradation, with about 20 percent of pastures considered as degraded through overgrazing, compaction and erosion. This figure is even higher in the drylands where inappropriate policies and inadequate livestock management contribute to advancing desertification. The livestock business is among the most damaging sectors to the earth’s increasingly scarce water resources, contributing among other things to water pollution, euthropication and the degeneration of coral reefs. The major polluting agents are animal wastes, antibiotics and hormones, chemicals from tanneries, fertilizers and the pesticides used to spray feed crops. Widespread overgrazing disturbs water cycles, reducing replenishment of above and below ground water resources. Significant amounts of water are withdrawn for the production of feed. Livestock are estimated to be the main inland source of phosphorous and nitrogen contamination of the South China Sea, contributing to biodiversity loss in marine ecosystems. Meat and dairy animals now account for about 20 percent of all terrestrial animal biomass. Livestock’s presence in vast tracts of land and its demand for feed crops also contribute to biodiversity loss; 15 out of 24 important ecosystem services are assessed as in decline, with livestock identified as a culprit.
lulzapalooza 01-23-08, 03:09 AM	Facts schmacts! You can prove anything that's even remotely true with facts. Try doing it with irrelivent movie quotes and vague gand gestures; then you're a real debater! I'm still going to need more evidence that cows are evil. Theories and seeds get lauded far to often for me to give a damn.
Zombie_Babies 01-23-08, 09:54 AM	Truly, you are the greatest hero of our time. *Places hat over heart* Thank you sir. And, to let you know, I simply had to sig this.:D Now back to the vile cousins of swine: I move that vegetarianism/veganism be deemed an act of complicity to world genocide. Refusing to eat the enemy is tantamout to producing the offending methane yourself! If you sit idly by and let these furry bastards continue to live then you doom us all. Eat steak! Eat hamburger! Eat hotdogs! But not them stupid turkey dogs. They don't help at all. Eat jerky! Eat for your lives!
Dog_O_War 01-23-08, 10:44 AM	Thank you sir. And, to let you know, I simply had to sig this.:D Now back to the vile cousins of swine: I move that vegetarianism/veganism be deemed an act of complicity to world genocide. Refusing to eat the enemy is tantamout to producing the offending methane yourself! If you sit idly by and let these furry bastards continue to live then you doom us all. Eat steak! Eat hamburger! Eat hotdogs! But not them stupid turkey dogs. They don't help at all. Eat jerky! Eat for your lives! But if everyone converted to vegetarianism, then we could eat the food source right out from under the enemy! of course, then WE would be the ones destroying the environment. But that's easily solved. CANIBALISM!
Escef 01-23-08, 11:08 AM	Special. Can we end the eco-talk before this becomes politicized? Oh, who am I kidding? You'll all keep it up til you get the thread locked, yes?
Zombie_Babies 01-23-08, 11:17 AM	But if everyone converted to vegetarianism, then we could eat the food source right out from under the enemy! of course, then WE would be the ones destroying the environment. But that's easily solved. CANIBALISM! Hmm. Your proposal has legs. The only issue I have is that grass can't be that tasty. Trading steak for grass? C'mon! Although people may be tasty. I will present this to the resistance leaders and let them decide. If we have a go I will bring it to your attention ASAP.
Dog_O_War 01-23-08, 11:50 AM	Hmm. Your proposal has legs. The only issue I have is that grass can't be that tasty. Trading steak for grass? C'mon! Although people may be tasty. I will present this to the resistance leaders and let them decide. If we have a go I will bring it to your attention ASAP. Just put a little salt on the grass. I'm sure it'll taste fine. As for people... They say a pig's flesh is closest to that of a human's. If bacon is any indication of what we taste like, I'm all in!
_Jayne_Cobb_ 01-23-08, 11:56 AM	Oh really? Here, read this excerpted article: Livestock a major threat to environment Remedies urgently needed 29 November 2006, Rome - Which causes more greenhouse gas emissions, rearing cattle or driving cars? And who, exactly, wrote that article?
Count Arioch the 28th 01-23-08, 12:13 PM	All that ranting falls apart when you consider on simple fact: Texas used to be a province in Mexico. Therefore, you CAN say "authentic Texas chili", because at one point, Texas was part of Mexico. In fact, if you go to southern Mexico and ask for "Chili con carne", they're going to give you a weird look, then serve you a steak with peppers on it, because it's not served in southern Mexico, only in the northern parts. In fact, most what we Americans call "Mexican" food is actually more Texan than anything else. (And Taco Bell is pretty much American food with Spanish-sounding names)
_Jayne_Cobb_ 01-23-08, 12:20 PM	All that ranting falls apart when you consider on simple fact: Presenting facts is not ranting. Texas used to be a province in Mexico. Therefore, you CAN say "authentic Texas chili", because at one point, Texas was part of Mexico. And America was once part of the British Empire. Doesn't mean there is any merit to "Authentic American Haggis". Chili con carne was invented after Texas declared independence from Mexico.
Dog_O_War 01-23-08, 12:46 PM	Back on the off-topic: What then should go into chili? Beans (for us bean-lovers, though I will add that only a sparse amount should be used IMO) Peppers (red, green, yellow) Meat (both steak and bacon - not presliced, you want chunks of it, and abit of hamburger) Celery (you can't taste it, and it is excellent and healthy filler) Spice (to taste - hotter the better) Am I missing something? (damn I want chili now!)
Zombie_Babies 01-23-08, 12:51 PM	Just put a little salt on the grass. I'm sure it'll taste fine. As for people... They say a pig's flesh is closest to that of a human's. If bacon is any indication of what we taste like, I'm all in! The verdict is in: Veggies/Vegans are ok as long as they add grass to their menu. Those that do not will need to be "re-educated". We also have an action plan for after the cows are eliminated as they are not the sole danger to our planet. We will (upon complete bovine destruction) attack all other ungulates in the order of size: 1. Large Deer and Antelope: Moose, Elk, Greater Kudu, Red Stag, etc 2. Medium sized Deer and Antelope: White-tailed deer, Lesser Kudu, etc 3. Small sized Deer and Antelope: Black-tailed Deer, Impala, etc 4. The rest: Goats & Sheep (wild and domesticated), Buffalo and Bison, etc Pass the biscuits! This is gonna be one long and tasty ride!
Dog_O_War 01-23-08, 01:00 PM	The verdict is in: Veggies/Vegans are ok as long as they add grass to their menu. Those that do not will need to be "re-educated". We also have an action plan for after the cows are eliminated as they are not the sole danger to our planet. We will (upon complete bovine destruction) attack all other ungulates in the order of size: 1. Large Deer and Antelope: Moose, Elk, Greater Kudu, Red Stag, etc 2. Medium sized Deer and Antelope: White-tailed deer, Lesser Kudu, etc 3. Small sized Deer and Antelope: Black-tailed Deer, Impala, etc 4. The rest: Goats & Sheep (wild and domesticated), Buffalo and Bison, etc Pass the biscuits! This is gonna be one long and tasty ride! That could make alot of jerky, and wild game jerky is the best!
Count Arioch the 28th 01-23-08, 01:09 PM	Back on the off-topic: What then should go into chili? Beans (for us bean-lovers, though I will add that only a sparse amount should be used IMO) Peppers (red, green, yellow) Meat (both steak and bacon - not presliced, you want chunks of it, and abit of hamburger) Celery (you can't taste it, and it is excellent and healthy filler) Spice (to taste - hotter the better) Am I missing something? (damn I want chili now!) I'm cool with everything but the celery. Celery is not edible, and shouldn't be used in anything that is intended to be eaten. And despite what you say, you can in fact taste celery in food, it's impossible to ignore the bitter taste of celery when people add it to food. (If I was in charge, putting celery in food would be a federal offense)
Zombie_Babies 01-23-08, 01:50 PM	That could make alot of jerky, and wild game jerky is the best! That reminds me. I have venison jerky in the fridge and I've been meaning to bring it to my weekly D&D session. That stuff doesn't last long with my group! On topic (?): Chili is just like anything else. Make it how you like it. Call it whatever you want. Enjoy.
Jaxgaret 01-23-08, 03:33 PM	And who, exactly, wrote that article? The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization is the original source of the report.
Escef 01-24-08, 06:10 AM	The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization is the original source of the report. Special. :rolleyes:
1 ton ghost 01-24-08, 11:31 AM	damn, i leave the boards for a few days and look what happens... who would've thought the Great Chili Debate of '08 would've gotten so, um, heated? bit hammy i know, but seriously, if this much attention was put forth during the election or perhaps even the 4th ed transition, we might be getting somewhere. -for the vegetarians i know, i'm want of saying, "proof is in the teeth *show canines* in that they are for tearing and shredding meat." granted, we're evolving to become vegetarian, but i cannot deny my genetic make-up yet. eventually, yeah, we'll all become herbivorous, but until then... -PETA, little radical in their political dogma and rhetoric. you can catch more flies w/ honey than vinegar. heart is in the right place, the brain though... has anyone actually read the book? i keep hearing good things, just not here.
_Jayne_Cobb_ 01-24-08, 11:34 AM	damn, i leave the boards for a few days and look what happens... who would've thought the Great Chili Debate of '08 would've gotten so, um, heated? Where are people getting all this "heated" and "ranting" from? :confused: PETA, little radical in their political dogma and rhetoric. you can catch more flies w/ honey than vinegar. heart is in the right place, the brain though... PETA are a bunch of lying, hypocritical criminals.
Count Arioch the 28th 01-24-08, 12:52 PM	Where are people getting all this "heated" and "ranting" from? :confused: PETA are a bunch of lying, hypocritical criminals. You forgot to mention how they support domestic terrorism financially. If PETA were muslims, their HQ would be a smoking hole in the ground, but because they aren't, no one has taken notice of them yet.
_Jayne_Cobb_ 01-24-08, 12:55 PM	You forgot to mention how they support domestic terrorism financially. I folded that into the "criminals" part.
Zombie_Babies 01-24-08, 12:58 PM	Wow. Lots o' PETA hate (don't care for the group myself). I hunt so I have a great respect for animals. I am also a dog owner and love my dog. Where I start to have a problem is when groups of people try to elevate animals to the same level as human beings. In some cases it even seems to me that these groups hold greater value for the life of an animal than that of a human. To me, that's just a lil' too far. On topic (?): I'm not seeing any real conflict in this thread either. Seems to be a reasonable (if horrendously off-topic) discussion. Hell, I posted about eating cows to save the world. Not too combative. Unless you're a cow....
Belkar 01-24-08, 03:54 PM	I'm going to continue on this off topic discussion with a comment that will probably get me flamed. So be it. I get frustrated hearing about cows "destroying the earth". Or cars, or industry, or anything else humans manage or propogate. Please don't mis-understand me. I believe in the greenhouse effect, and the rigorous damage of environmental pollution. My frustration comes from the "destroying the earth" part. We're not destroying the earth. 'Ole Blue has survived multiple ice ages, millions of volcanic eruptions that dwarf the mightiest of nuclear weapons, and two planet-wide mass extinctions in her long history. And the "damage" of such things was greater than anything we could do. We are harming with our actions - to be true - but what we're harming... is ourselves. We're not "destroying the earth", we're "destroying ourselves". We'll eventually become enough of a nuisance to the earth to where she'll get peeved and cut us from her body like any other cancer. The earth will kill off the infection - like any other organism. This is, if the changes we make to her don't simply kill us first (ie: we did the job ourselves). But no matter what kind of "impact" we think we're having - it won't matter to her. It might make her inhospitable enough to kill us off... but then she'll recover. Without us. She'll have a cup of hot soup, sleep all weekend, and get better - the earth's sickness eradicated. She'll heal. She has before. She will again. Just frustration at semantics... I suppose... but the concept that tiny, little humanity with our thumbs and digital watches can destroy something as epic as a planet is awfully arrogant. IMO. We are destroying and harming... make no mistake. But we're destroying ourselves, and our species (and probably a few others). But 'Ole Blue? She'll keep on truckin'. Has been for millions of years before us. Will be for millions of years after. ;) We just won't be here to see it.
Zombie_Babies 01-24-08, 04:33 PM	*Snip* True dat. Earth will be just fine without us. It is awfully arrogant to make the assumptions that some of us do. We really don't matter nearly as much as we'd like to think we do. That said, I'm still eatin' cows. And likin' it.
Belkar 01-24-08, 05:01 PM	That said, I'm still eatin' cows. And likin' it. Right there with ya. I'm a man about the beef. ;)
Jaxgaret 01-24-08, 09:26 PM	I get frustrated hearing about cows "destroying the earth". Or cars, or industry, or anything else humans manage or propogate. I agree that it is an important distinction. Note that I said "destroying the environment", not "destroying the earth". The earth would indeed get along just fine without us. As a humorously tangential aside, here is a George Carlin quote: The earth doesn't share our prejudice towards plastic...plastic came out of the earth, the earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children...could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place: it wanted plastic for itself, didn't know how to make it, needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old philosophical question...why are we here?: plastic, *******s. That said, I stand by the fact that industrialized cow production, when compared to virtually every other major method of food production that exists, is one of if not the most environmentally damaging.
lulzapalooza 01-25-08, 02:21 AM	Wow, that's why I like these boards; nobody has anything good to say, but, nobody notices. Just kidding, the speil about that stuff was pretty good.
Jaxgaret 01-25-08, 02:40 AM	I might as well contribute an on-topic post, considering all the time I've spent in this thread avoiding it. CoaPTS seems to me to be very similar in scope to the two 4e preview books, R&C and W&M; they are all marketing tools manufactured to garner interest in D&D by those who read them. It's a stroke of genius, actually, to get people to actually pay for them. Note that I own both R&C and W&M :)
High Octane 01-25-08, 08:39 PM	I, on the other hand, have never once even seen Spam out of the jar in my entire 18 years of living in Minnesota. What's it like? Meat Jello.
lulzapalooza 01-28-08, 05:15 PM	I might as well contribute an on-topic post, considering all the time I've spent in this thread avoiding it. CoaPTS seems to me to be very similar in scope to the two 4e preview books, R&C and W&M; they are all marketing tools manufactured to garner interest in D&D by those who read them. It's a stroke of genius, actually, to get people to actually pay for them. Note that I own both R&C and W&M :) Agreed. I don't buy every dumb book WotC publishes, because D&D is a game that is more fun when you have less confusing splat books to worry about.
_Jayne_Cobb_ 01-29-08, 09:21 AM	Meat Jello. All Jello is meat.
Ikeman04 01-29-08, 04:53 PM	Jello brand gelatin is actually made with vegetable products, but gelatin is made from meat.
Jackpot_James 01-29-08, 10:01 PM	Maybe a lack of beans or corn in their food gives them the accent... *Shudders* If they just threw that stuff in there, maybe there wouldn't be any more "Howdys" or even "Y'All"... We can only dream... At least where I'm from most of the people don't say "Y'all" or "Howdy", they would say "Hey", or "Do you guys want to do x?" Whenever we do say the former rather than the latter, we are usually just playing around. (For those who care I'm from Houston/ Sugarland) On topic: I'd rather eat an authentic Philly Cheese steak, than Texas'(version) chili.
Belkar 01-30-08, 09:58 AM	At least where I'm from most of the people don't say "Y'all" or "Howdy", they would say "Hey", or "Do you guys want to do x?" Whenever we do say the former rather than the latter, we are usually just playing around. (For those who care I'm from Houston/ Sugarland) I know. I'm from Dallas - and I can't recall the last time someone inside the city limits has looked at me and said "Hey, ya'll! How ya'll doin'? Yeehaw!! Let's go eat us some chili, partner!!" I've lived here all my life, but my mother is actually Canadian. When relatives come down - it's pretty funny. I get a lot of "O, hey, where's your cowboy hat, eh?" Drives me nuts. I also hear a lot of "O, you got such a southern accent, eh?" from my Canuck relatives. I have no accent, in my estimation. But my general response is "O, I got such an accent, eh? Hey yous guys, you wanna go play some 'ockey, eh?" And for the record, I hate country music, have never worn boots, and chili gives me heartburn.
John Paul Stoddard 01-30-08, 01:30 PM	We also have an action plan for after the cows are eliminated as they are not the sole danger to our planet. We will (upon complete bovine destruction) attack all other ungulates in the order of size: 1. Large Deer and Antelope: Moose, Elk, Greater Kudu, Red Stag, etc 2. Medium sized Deer and Antelope: White-tailed deer, Lesser Kudu, etc 3. Small sized Deer and Antelope: Black-tailed Deer, Impala, etc 4. The rest: Goats & Sheep (wild and domesticated), Buffalo and Bison, etc Pass the biscuits! This is gonna be one long and tasty ride! WRONG WRONG The plan is not to eliminate the cows totally, Its to reduced the Greenhouse effect by effectively managing the size of the herds by culling out the select individuals that with yeild the Most Meat To prevent the extiction of the Cows we will suppliment the T-bone, Sirloin, Baby Back Ribs, Brisket, and Hamburger with suppliment meats. Such as those listed above and with Others like Turkey, Duck, Dove, Quail, Salmon, Walley, Catfish, Bass, Crappie.. Otherwise we are all doomed to eatting Grass when We have killed everything else, including the Original Vegitarians. :P I hear they taste quite good with ranch dressing:P By the Way SPAM stands for Squirrels Possums And Mice So even the small furrie creatures are not safe from being eatten
Zombie_Babies 01-30-08, 01:52 PM	We have to eat all of the cows- and quickly- lest they find out what we have planned. They may appear to be slow, dim-witted and apathetic beasts but I assure you that they pose a greater danger than you can imagine. Once they get wind of our genocidal plotting they will come for us in force. I shall not rest until the last cow has been devoured. As an aside, squirrel is really quite tasty. When prepared in a stew with potatoes, carrots, etc they are very tender and have a good flavor. Rabbit is also excellent fare. Suprisingly one of the best tasting lil' critters is the mourning dove. You need a lot of them for a meal, but generous bag limits help accomodate this (if you can hit the buggers). Prepared in a golden mushroom soup they are delectible. Hmm. Methink a more proper D&D cookbook would be one that emphasised more wild game dishes. Think of a Ranger and his campfire. Could be a good idea... If only I had talent!
Escef 01-30-08, 02:39 PM	http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/104604#
Zombie_Babies 01-30-08, 03:01 PM	http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/104604# This piece of documentary video confirms my worst fears! Ladies and gentlemen, the war has begun! To arms! Er... to forks!
Ikeman04 01-30-08, 03:31 PM	WRONG WRONG The plan is not to eliminate the cows totally, Its to reduced the Greenhouse effect by effectively managing the size of the herds by culling out the select individuals that with yeild the Most Meat To prevent the extiction of the Cows we will suppliment the T-bone, Sirloin, Baby Back Ribs, Brisket, and Hamburger with suppliment meats. Such as those listed above and with Others like Turkey, Duck, Dove, Quail, Salmon, Walley, Catfish, Bass, Crappie.. Otherwise we are all doomed to eatting Grass when We have killed everything else, including the Original Vegitarians. :P I hear they taste quite good with ranch dressing:P By the Way SPAM stands for Squirrels Possums And Mice So even the small furrie creatures are not safe from being eatten No, it doesn't. SPAM is a combination of the words 'spiced' and 'ham,' and the name was concieved in 1938(or sometime in the thirties) in a contest Hormel had.
Jaxgaret 01-30-08, 07:33 PM	No, it doesn't. SPAM is a combination of the words 'spiced' and 'ham,' and the name was concieved in 1938(or sometime in the thirties) in a contest Hormel had. SPAM Joke -------------------> _________Ikeman04's head
Ikeman04 01-30-08, 07:45 PM	I got it, yes, but I felt the need to be a party-pooper.
WizO_Unicorn 01-30-08, 08:35 PM	I have brought this thread to the attention of Community Management. WizO_Unicorn
John Paul Stoddard 01-30-08, 09:38 PM	I got it, yes, but I felt the need to be a party-pooper. I have brought this thread to the attention of Community Management. WizO_Unicorn It actaully looks like WizO-Unicorn is gonna be the party-pooper It a shame too because we were having so much fun. I Quess Unicorns eat grass not Meat. By the Way I love Spam, ever had it BBQ'd or have a Fried Spam with Egg and Cheese Sandwhich for Breakfast with Mayo and Tobasco Sauce. Spam was a Necessitie in Boy Scouts
Zombie_Babies 01-31-08, 10:15 AM	Wow. I can't believe it took this long for this thread to be brought to attention. Wow. Oh well, I had fun while it was here. Hmm. It looks like the Wizzo's are part of the cow-spirancy! We must be ever vigilant as now those that moderate our plotting have chosen a side (of beef) in the coming battle! Remember to eat beef... it is our only hope...
_Jayne_Cobb_ 01-31-08, 11:47 AM	I have brought this thread to the attention of Community Management. WizO_Unicorn Why? :confused:
Dog_O_War 01-31-08, 01:53 PM	Why? :confused: Because unicorns don't like chili.
Jaxgaret 01-31-08, 07:06 PM	Why? :confused: I posted a picture of poop with a party hat on, in reference to Ikeman's party pooper comment. And I got a warning for it. For an innocent poop picture. It's "vulgarity", apparently. I'll have to be more careful in the future. I might post something really controversial, like a snot.
lulzapalooza 01-31-08, 10:54 PM	I'm about 35 miles north of Dallas, and I do wear cowboy hats and boots (actually, my father makes custom cowboy boots, he's really good, he's one the state fair compitition twice), and I dont really care what people eat, chili-wise.
Ikeman04 01-31-08, 11:49 PM	I have one chili question that's bound to breathe some life back into this thread: Which is better, chili made with hamburger, or chili made with steak?
Felbarren 02-01-08, 01:36 AM	As another proud Texan(who enjoys a good chili, specially in winter months), I have only one response. Ground chuck, period! And NOT because hamburger meat is better in chili or anything. It's because, why the heck would you ruin a good steak by putting it in chili? Steak is STEAK! You dry rub it, slab it on the grill till you get perfection, and serve it with a cold one. You do not cut it, chunk it, and toss it in with the chili mix. It deserves better respect than that.
AnonymousInternets 02-01-08, 10:05 AM	I am not from Texas. I'm actually on the west coast. Still, I totally know where these Texans are coming from. Thing is, the beans don't taste as good as the meat, so the only thing they can do is make the chili taste worse. This is not to mention that the consistency of beans--especially kidney beans--in any sort of chili or soup is that of soggy potatoes, or more eloquenlty, puss (I love making that comparison at the dinner table). Also, if you want healthy, why are you eating chili?
John Paul Stoddard 02-01-08, 10:06 AM	Venison make better chilli. :P Only a YAnKeeee would consider cutting up a great steak to put in Chilli. :mad: Wichita Falls Texas Here..Worn plenty of Cowboys Boots and Hats. Use to get my Noccona and Justin's Hand Made every year.
Escef 02-01-08, 10:13 AM	Only a YAnKeeee would consider cutting up a great steak to put in Chilli. :mad: Yankees are a bad baseball team from New York. I've found that Southerners like to call anyone from the North a Yankee. We don't call ourselves that. Southerners, however, tend to call themselves Southerners. I have no idea why this is.
Zombie_Babies 02-01-08, 10:30 AM	Venison make better chilli. :P Only a YAnKeeee would consider cutting up a great steak to put in Chilli. :mad: Wichita Falls Texas Here..Worn plenty of Cowboys Boots and Hats. Use to get my Noccona and Justin's Hand Made every year. Umm. I am from the North. We are not Yankees. Those of us from the Cleveland area hate that word (go Tribe!), except for LeBron, for whatever reason. As for chopping up a steak for chili, I must strongly protest. This "Yankee" *blech* (your word, not mine) would never under any circumstance defile a steak in such a manner. Never. Blanket statements are generally untrue. Venison does make many dishes better. And vension steak (from backstraps) is another steak I'd never ruin with chili. The ground meat would be fine, however. Man I'm getting hungry. :D
Count Arioch the 28th 02-01-08, 10:33 AM	It's because, why the heck would you ruin a good steak by putting it in chili? Steak is STEAK! You dry rub it, slab it on the grill till you get perfection, and serve it with a cold one. You do not cut it, chunk it, and toss it in with the chili mix. It deserves better respect than that. And make sure you don't cook it too much. Every time you cook a steak past medium rare, an angel loses its wings. And bursts into flames.
Escef 02-01-08, 10:36 AM	Every time you cook a steak past medium rare, an angel loses its wings. And bursts into flames. At least we get a properly cooked angel out of the deal.
Zombie_Babies 02-01-08, 10:40 AM	At least we get a properly cooked angel out of the deal. And you can use any left over feathers as toothpicks, too.
Jaxgaret 02-01-08, 11:05 AM	Every time you cook a steak past medium rare, an angel loses its wings. And bursts into flames. Mmm medium rare steak. Drool. Also, if you want healthy, why are you eating chili? Turkey chili with beans is both delicious and healthful.
Count Arioch the 28th 02-01-08, 11:34 AM	Turkey chili with beans is both delicious and healthful. And then the state of Texas declares war on you. :P
Ikeman04 02-01-08, 12:11 PM	Venison make better chilli. :P Only a YAnKeeee would consider cutting up a great steak to put in Chilli. :mad: Wichita Falls Texas Here..Worn plenty of Cowboys Boots and Hats. Use to get my Noccona and Justin's Hand Made every year. I'm not a yankee, I'm from the Midwest; I prefer terms like 'Scandahoovian' and 'Iowegan', even though I'm not from Iowa. And I agree with the last part of your sentiments toward steak, chili is really bad when made with steak.
Dog_O_War 02-01-08, 12:24 PM	I have one chili question that's bound to breathe some life back into this thread: Which is better, chili made with hamburger, or chili made with steak? Steak offers a texture that hamburger just cannot compete with. You won't taste the quality of the steak, so use a cheap cut. Usually adding a bit of lean hamburger (or turkey burger) adds a good filler on top of the steak. Hot damn, now I really want chili.....
John Paul Stoddard 02-01-08, 01:16 PM	Time for a Bad Bad bad Joke Whats the difference between a yankee and a dang Yankee. A Yankee comes to Visit..:D A Dang Yankee Stays :weep: Your eatting Bad chilli thats been over cooked if the Beans are Mushy. just Like Stew, if the Veggies are cooked to Mush, its been cooked to Long, way to long As for steak temps...Its about the Cooking Process thats important. A Slow low temperature is best. Even a well done steak will be tender and juicy. Plus you need to allow it to rest prior to serving.