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Herr_Grinch88 03-08-06, 01:00 PM	What would happen if you picked a 3 for your Constitution and then picked a Sorcerer or Wizard? You'd have NEGATIVE HP!!!! Is this right? or am I missing something?
The Almighty Dru 03-08-06, 01:03 PM	You apply your character’s Constitution modifier to: • Each roll of a Hit Die (though a penalty can never drop a result below 1—that is, a character always gains at least 1 hit point each time he or she advances in level). So, no. You can not start off with negative HP.
loki87 03-08-06, 01:03 PM	I don't have my PHB in front of me, I'm 100% sure it states that you get a minimum of 1 hit point per level after all penalities. :rolleye2:
Herr_Grinch88 03-08-06, 01:05 PM	even at first level? when you create the character
The Almighty Dru 03-08-06, 01:10 PM	even at first level? when you create the character .... Each roll of a Hit Die So, yes, even at first level.
Seeker95 03-08-06, 01:28 PM	Unless... Your DM kicks off the campaign with something like this deviation from the traditional you all meet in a tavern opening line. Okay, you are all at -1 hit point. You think it's dark, but being unconscious makes it rather difficult to tell. In fact, you have no idea where you are (you remember where you were) and there is a dull throbbing where you think the back of your head should be. Roll a Stabilization check. :P
Another Gnome 03-08-06, 01:29 PM	In other words, while at 1st level you automatically get maximum value of HD in hit points, it's still the result of a "virtual die roll" that gives you that, and all the rules for rolling hit dice apply. Oh, great. How the heck am I supposed to edit this post so it makes any sense now? Damn you, Seeker...
Herr_Grinch88 03-08-06, 01:34 PM	Unless... Your DM kicks off the campaign with something like this deviation from the traditional you all meet in a tavern opening line. Okay, you are all at -1 hit point. You think it's dark, but being unconscious makes it rather difficult to tell. In fact, you have no idea where you are (you remember where you were) and there is a dull throbbing where you think the back of your head should be. Roll a Stabilization check. :P LOL that is hilarious! Thnx guys, I understand now.
Parker_W 03-08-06, 01:38 PM	Let me present to the board, the negative hit point adventuring group! Player 1: Ok so, I walk into the Inn...what do I see? DM: Ok umm...which one of you guys is in the Inn? Player 2 Me! I'm drinking an ale! Player 3 Me too! I'm in the corner of the Inn not talking to anyone though, and I have a mysterious map in front of me in a different language. DM: Ok, um, *looks at players HP*, ok player 1 you see an unconcious body lying next to a mug of ale. The body appears to be bleeding profusely. Also, you see a dead guy in the corner of the room. *Looks at player 1's hit points* DM ..and player 1; you explode.
Herr_Grinch88 03-08-06, 01:55 PM	maybe you'd be undead with negative starting HP... jk :P
Dench 03-08-06, 06:14 PM	what kind of loser puts a negative modifier in its con score?? and worse what kind of idiot would put a 3 in his con knowing that they are a low HD class?? :rolleyes: Though it is possible (how stupid, anyway) PHB states that wou start with at least 1 hp, so the PC must be very, VERY cautios from everything, so, don't get angry with a townsfolk and his farming tools... look out the childs, they seem that they will throw you a rock... watch out the bite of that hamster... heck, a French Poodle! run for your live!!
Solaris 03-08-06, 06:24 PM	what kind of loser puts a negative modifier in its con score?? and worse what kind of idiot would put a 3 in his con knowing that they are a low HD class?? :rolleyes: I'm just curious: is everyone a "loser" or an "idiot" who plays character concepts you don't happen to like? Take note, everyone, the only way to play D&D is Dench's way.
Raven Dark 03-08-06, 06:34 PM	what kind of loser puts a negative modifier in its con score?? and worse what kind of idiot would put a 3 in his con knowing that they are a low HD class?? :rolleyes: Though it is possible (how stupid, anyway) PHB states that wou start with at least 1 hp, so the PC must be very, VERY cautios from everything, so, don't get angry with a townsfolk and his farming tools... look out the childs, they seem that they will throw you a rock... watch out the bite of that hamster... heck, a French Poodle! run for your live!! I have a cleric that went from 1st to 15th level with 6 Constitution (currently a male Neutral Human Cleric 13/Heirophant 2 with 60 Hit Points and still going strong). Not only did he survive, he is the most powerful character in the group by far. Definitely a CoDzilla. :D
Edymnion 03-08-06, 08:14 PM	what kind of loser puts a negative modifier in its con score?? and worse what kind of idiot would put a 3 in his con knowing that they are a low HD class?? :rolleyes: The kind that realize that there is very little differance between 1 hp per level, and 4 hitpoints per level, in the long run. Either way, if you're actually hit by anything that does damage, then you're going to be screwed. So you put everything into your defenses. Con 3 in a melee combatant would be stupid, but in a back row spellcaster, it doesn't really matter.
darkness ninja of light 03-08-06, 11:21 PM	Let me present to the board, the negative hit point adventuring group! Player 1: Ok so, I walk into the Inn...what do I see? DM: Ok umm...which one of you guys is in the Inn? Player 2 Me! I'm drinking an ale! Player 3 Me too! I'm in the corner of the Inn not talking to anyone though, and I have a mysterious map in front of me in a different language. DM: Ok, um, *looks at players HP*, ok player 1 you see an unconcious body lying next to a mug of ale. The body appears to be bleeding profusely. Also, you see a dead guy in the corner of the room. *Looks at player 1's hit points* DM ..and player 1; you explode. HAHAHA! :clap: This is the best!
green_yawgmoth 03-09-06, 01:06 AM	The kind that realize that there is very little differance between 1 hp per level, and 4 hitpoints per level, in the long run. Either way, if you're actually hit by anything that does damage, then you're going to be screwed. So you put everything into your defenses. Con 3 in a melee combatant would be stupid, but in a back row spellcaster, it doesn't really matter.Until you get hit by anything requiring a fort save that doesn't require you to be in melee, or if you get snuck up on. Then, the combo of -4 con mod and a poor fort save means that you're dropping like a sack of bricks from that DC 12 poison, even at level 8 (when you finally reach +0 fort save, if you're lucky to get that far). http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/yawgmoth/kittyjig.gif
Raven Dark 03-09-06, 01:16 AM	Until you get hit by anything requiring a fort save that doesn't require you to be in melee, or if you get snuck up on. Then, the combo of -4 con mod and a poor fort save means that you're dropping like a sack of bricks from that DC 12 poison, even at level 8 (when you finally reach +0 fort save, if you're lucky to get that far). That is why someone must takes steps to protect against those forms of attacks, just like my cleric (who is nigh unkillable). Anyone capable of putting together a decent build can survive with even a 1 in Constitution (such as an elf). :rolleyes: