crocodile vs troglodyte? [Archive] - Wizards Community

crocodile vs troglodyte? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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0dan
03-23-08, 12:54 PM how is it that a troglodyte (natural ac +6) has a better natural ac than a crocodile (natural ac +4) :confused: can anyone give a good reasoning behind this? is there a misprint of one of these ACs?
Rictras_Shard
03-23-08, 01:17 PM how is it that a troglodyte (natural ac +6) has a better natural ac than a crocodile (natural ac +4) :confused: can anyone give a good reasoning behind this? is there a misprint of one of these ACs?

Tougher skin, better at defensive movement, stench makes the attacker less effective, whatever makes the most sense to you.
Jaxgaret
03-23-08, 01:35 PM how is it that a troglodyte (natural ac +6) has a better natural ac than a crocodile (natural ac +4) :confused: can anyone give a good reasoning behind this? is there a misprint of one of these ACs?

Troglodytes aren't real; as such, there is no basis for "reasoning behind" it. It is what it is because the designers made it so.

A natural armor bonus improves Armor Class resulting from a creature's naturally tough hide.

Troglodytes have naturally tougher hide than crocodiles.
BugBytes
03-23-08, 01:46 PM The troglodite is more agile. They can walk bipedally, giving them a better Dexterity bonus. They also have apposable thumbs, allowing them to carry items and therefore defend themselves with sheilds and whatnot.
Suspect_Unusual
03-23-08, 02:41 PM The troglodite is more agile. They can walk bipedally, giving them a better Dexterity bonus. They also have apposable thumbs, allowing them to carry items and therefore defend themselves with sheilds and whatnot.

...Which has nothing to do with Natural Armor.

Anyway, a Trog has a higher natural armor bonus because each is balanced to have an AC at a certain level, and because they are NOT balanced against each other.
pigknight
03-23-08, 11:18 PM ...And a trog is just a bipedial croc on roids.
louieratt
03-24-08, 09:09 AM in game terms as a dm i would reason that since trogs have a patron god anything making it better than a non magical int animal would be gifted from there god
Naderion
03-24-08, 10:08 AM The real reason: Different designers made the stats for the crocodile and the troglodyte and didn't compare their creations with every other creature in the MM before it got into printing.
Airos
03-25-08, 01:59 AM how is it that a troglodyte (natural ac +6) has a better natural ac than a crocodile (natural ac +4) :confused: can anyone give a good reasoning behind this? is there a misprint of one of these ACs?

Just to be sure, you're looking at the image in the MM, and not confusing the name with this bird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troglodytes_%28wren%29)?

Because if you were looking in the SRD, and had no image for reference, I could see where the confusion would come from.

(reference pictures sblocked for your convenience.)

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/Airos_5/Troglodytes_musculus.jpg

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/MM35_gallery/MM35_PG246b.jpg
nightwyrm
03-25-08, 02:27 AM I don't know...the bird looks pretty badass to me. :D
Aryxbez
03-25-08, 02:56 AM ...And a trog is just a bipedial croc on roids.

I agree with This guy on this one, otherwise it's been explained, tis for encounter balance.
0dan
03-28-08, 03:17 PM i agree with nightwyrm. that bird does look pretty bad ass! :P
Reality_Czech
03-28-08, 03:22 PM I'd say if a Trog had denser muscle tissue than the Crocodile, the blows might do less, even if the Croc's hide were thicker. I'd say that's the simplest mechanical/physiological explanation that dosen't require much suspension of disbelief.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
0dan 03-23-08, 12:54 PM	how is it that a troglodyte (natural ac +6) has a better natural ac than a crocodile (natural ac +4) :confused: can anyone give a good reasoning behind this? is there a misprint of one of these ACs?
Rictras_Shard 03-23-08, 01:17 PM	how is it that a troglodyte (natural ac +6) has a better natural ac than a crocodile (natural ac +4) :confused: can anyone give a good reasoning behind this? is there a misprint of one of these ACs? Tougher skin, better at defensive movement, stench makes the attacker less effective, whatever makes the most sense to you.
Jaxgaret 03-23-08, 01:35 PM	how is it that a troglodyte (natural ac +6) has a better natural ac than a crocodile (natural ac +4) :confused: can anyone give a good reasoning behind this? is there a misprint of one of these ACs? Troglodytes aren't real; as such, there is no basis for "reasoning behind" it. It is what it is because the designers made it so. A natural armor bonus improves Armor Class resulting from a creature's naturally tough hide. Troglodytes have naturally tougher hide than crocodiles.
BugBytes 03-23-08, 01:46 PM	The troglodite is more agile. They can walk bipedally, giving them a better Dexterity bonus. They also have apposable thumbs, allowing them to carry items and therefore defend themselves with sheilds and whatnot.
Suspect_Unusual 03-23-08, 02:41 PM	The troglodite is more agile. They can walk bipedally, giving them a better Dexterity bonus. They also have apposable thumbs, allowing them to carry items and therefore defend themselves with sheilds and whatnot. ...Which has nothing to do with Natural Armor. Anyway, a Trog has a higher natural armor bonus because each is balanced to have an AC at a certain level, and because they are NOT balanced against each other.
pigknight 03-23-08, 11:18 PM	...And a trog is just a bipedial croc on roids.
louieratt 03-24-08, 09:09 AM	in game terms as a dm i would reason that since trogs have a patron god anything making it better than a non magical int animal would be gifted from there god
Naderion 03-24-08, 10:08 AM	The real reason: Different designers made the stats for the crocodile and the troglodyte and didn't compare their creations with every other creature in the MM before it got into printing.
Airos 03-25-08, 01:59 AM	how is it that a troglodyte (natural ac +6) has a better natural ac than a crocodile (natural ac +4) :confused: can anyone give a good reasoning behind this? is there a misprint of one of these ACs? Just to be sure, you're looking at the image in the MM, and not confusing the name with this bird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troglodytes_%28wren%29)? Because if you were looking in the SRD, and had no image for reference, I could see where the confusion would come from. (reference pictures sblocked for your convenience.) http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/Airos_5/Troglodytes_musculus.jpg http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/MM35_gallery/MM35_PG246b.jpg
nightwyrm 03-25-08, 02:27 AM	I don't know...the bird looks pretty badass to me. :D
Aryxbez 03-25-08, 02:56 AM	...And a trog is just a bipedial croc on roids. I agree with This guy on this one, otherwise it's been explained, tis for encounter balance.
0dan 03-28-08, 03:17 PM	i agree with nightwyrm. that bird does look pretty bad ass! :P
Reality_Czech 03-28-08, 03:22 PM	I'd say if a Trog had denser muscle tissue than the Crocodile, the blows might do less, even if the Croc's hide were thicker. I'd say that's the simplest mechanical/physiological explanation that dosen't require much suspension of disbelief.