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malisteen 03-17-07, 06:42 PM	I find it odd that a character can just cut a whole big enough to climb out of a creature's stomach and into the outside world without any lasting negative effects on the creature, and if that creature swallowed someone else two seconds later, that whole would just magically not be there anymore. In my own campaigns I've simply replaced the whole "you cut your way out of the beast, and then the whole vanishes" thing with "you cause enough irritation to the beast's organs that it spontaneously vomits you back out". Maybe a little grosser, but it seems to make a whole lot more sense to me.... What do you all think? I know realism and rules do not at all go hand in hand, but this one just seems to make more sense to me.
Sudnji_cas 03-17-07, 06:56 PM	Why not use the both? You can hack thru its stomach, but when you deal damage to it it must make a fort save or vomit (Double DC when using electricity). When it vomits you you take acid damage and get sickened.
Oran_Blackstone 03-17-07, 07:15 PM	Why notuse the both? You can hack thru its stomach, but when you deal damage to it it must make a fort save or vomit. When it vomits you you take acid damage and get sickened. I like the Idea but would the DC for the saving throw be based on how much damge he dealt or just a set number?
Sudnji_cas 03-17-07, 07:26 PM	Maybe by how much monster failed the fort save.
Seeker95 03-18-07, 08:12 AM	I find it odd that a character can just cut a whole big enough to climb out of a creature's stomach and into the outside world without any lasting negative effects on the creature, and if that creature swallowed someone else two seconds later, that whole would just magically not be there anymore.But fireballs and surviving them cause no flinching in your realism meter? :P As for vomiting, who's to say that isn't how it works? The details of how you get out are pretty shaky. If you want to describe the exit as vomitus projectus, go for it. You just have to do enough damage. Flavor details are not defined by the mechanic, nor do they change the mechanic.
Adrez Nesnsid 03-18-07, 08:48 AM	I find it odd that a character can just cut a whole big enough to climb out of a creature's stomach and into the outside world without any lasting negative effects on the creature, and if that creature swallowed someone else two seconds later, that whole would just magically not be there anymore. That's always bothered me too, its utterly utterly ridiculous.
Stormbrand 03-18-07, 04:23 PM	I find it odd that a character can just cut a whole big enough to climb out of a creature's stomach and into the outside world without any lasting negative effects on the creature, and if that creature swallowed someone else two seconds later, that whole would just magically not be there anymore. In my own campaigns I've simply replaced the whole "you cut your way out of the beast, and then the whole vanishes" thing with "you cause enough irritation to the beast's organs that it spontaneously vomits you back out". Maybe a little grosser, but it seems to make a whole lot more sense to me.... What do you all think? I know realism and rules do not at all go hand in hand, but this one just seems to make more sense to me. In my mind, fighting your way out means burrowing your way out of it's stomach. So you have ruptured a man sized breach in a major organ. Anything less than imminent death is absurd. Also, vomiting due to internal damage should sicken or nauseate the creature as well. Being swallowed while wearing a fire shield is be fairly interesting. Monsters hate that. Espescially when using a hand axe. I like the Idea but would the DC for the saving throw be based on how much damge he dealt or just a set number? Simply the acid damage you take anyway each round in the belly.
Wharin 03-18-07, 06:10 PM	I don't know if its how oiur DM rules, or just how the encounters play out (the monsters havn't really had the opportunity to swallow us till near the end of the encounter), but we were just treat it like attacking the monster from the inside until he dies, at which point you cut your way out.
swallowyersoul 03-19-07, 10:50 PM	tangent: does anybody remember the 'gullet' from 'gurps black ops'? it would swallow you whole. then a couple rounds later the poor pc would come out the back end as explosive diarrhea.
Adrez Nesnsid 03-20-07, 07:14 AM	Also, if you cut open the monster's stomach, the monster should take acid damage as its stomach acid spills out onto its other, non-acid-proof, organs
Seeker95 03-20-07, 09:10 AM	D&D does not have called shots, no matter how "realistic" they may be. It does not need "specific shot consequences", no matter how realistic they may be.
TheCarrionCrawler 03-20-07, 09:19 AM	I find it odd that a character can just cut a whole big enough to climb out of a creature's stomach and into the outside world without any lasting negative effects on the creature, and if that creature swallowed someone else two seconds later, that whole would just magically not be there anymore. In my own campaigns I've simply replaced the whole "you cut your way out of the beast, and then the whole vanishes" thing with "you cause enough irritation to the beast's organs that it spontaneously vomits you back out". Maybe a little grosser, but it seems to make a whole lot more sense to me.... What do you all think? I know realism and rules do not at all go hand in hand, but this one just seems to make more sense to me. Where does it say that the hole magically closes back up again? Unless the creature in question has the Regeneration ability, the wound shouldn't rapidly close up or vanish. Have we been playing against the rules all this time? :confused:
Lunar_Shadow 03-20-07, 10:52 AM	The flavor says that muscular contraction seals the hole. This can be quite annoying when fighting a T-Rex, A.K.A The one trick pony. (At least till you breathe fire down its throat)
Adrez Nesnsid 03-20-07, 10:59 AM	D&D does not have called shots, no matter how "realistic" they may be. It does not need "specific shot consequences", no matter how realistic they may be. It only seems that way because the newer editions have focused much less on the roleplaying aspect of the game than previous editions. I hear that in the next edition clerics will only be allowed to move diagonally <--JOKE
Seeker95 03-20-07, 11:22 AM	I hear that in the next edition clerics will only be allowed to move diagonally <--JOKEOnly the evil ones. Those who choose to play heroes in 4e will have freedom of movement as a class skill.newer editions have focused much less on the roleplaying aspect of the game than previous editions.I am going to assume this is a joke too. :D
slaughterj 03-20-07, 01:07 PM	I find it odd that a character can just cut a whole big enough to climb out of a creature's stomach and into the outside world without any lasting negative effects on the creature, and if that creature swallowed someone else two seconds later, that whole would just magically not be there anymore. I think you're reading too much into it. I don't see it as someone cutting a 5'x5' hole in the side of the beast and walking out, but rather slicing a gash in its side and squeezing out. Therefore, just as when you get a nasty papercut, the two sides of the wound come together, the same things happens with these large beasts.
Sudnji_cas 03-20-07, 01:36 PM	I think you're reading too much into it. I don't see it as someone cutting a 5'x5' hole in the side of the beast and walking out, but rather slicing a gash in its side and squeezing out. Therefore, just as when you get a nasty papercut, the two sides of the wound come together, the same things happens with these large beasts. If a creature the size of the golf ball comes out of your stomach, wouldn't it be little strange for you? Man, I'm afraid to imagine what kind of papercut did you get.
Grand Theft Otto 03-20-07, 01:38 PM	I prefer the vomit approach unless the creature is immune to critical hits. Even in the often silly world of D&D combat, having some guy cut his way out of your innards in spiked armor is going and ignoring the results is going over the top.
Selgard 03-20-07, 01:57 PM	imo, there should be 2 types of "swallow hole" abilities. (there aren't- but there should be) the "common" sort, where when you cut your hole out, it does "bleeding" type damage to the creature until it gets a healing spell or whatnot, where another critter your size or smaller can also escape if desired. And the "uncommon/rare" sort where the hole is automatically closed once a being exits. that would make the "swallowed hole w/no escape" thing sort of special, instead of every single monster in existence who can swallow you, also has special muscles and such to prevent Two creatures from escaping.
deadman1204 03-20-07, 07:10 PM	you cant cut yourself out of a monster. Look at the rules, when you have been swallowed whole, you are considered grappled. Which means IF you have the feats, you can draw a dagger or other small light weapon (and no spells with somatic components, or material unless you expend moves specifically to reach a item while grappled). You cant backstab because you have no dex mod while grappled. Add in your blind and no room to swing (no str damage). Now try cutting your way out of somethings gut. Your gonna smother first. There is a reason monsters swallow whole - its supposed to be an effective attack. Most people ignore the rules, but being swallowed is actually very deadly.