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Enthrall 09-10-05, 11:46 PM	do you think they will ever make a harry potter role playing game?
StevenO 09-10-05, 11:59 PM	If "They" is WotC I can't say for certian. I'd guess a RPB would be likely (if not already available) but the publisher depends on who holds the license. It would probably need a non-d20 format or a some serious modification/tweaking. Given the money involved in the Harry Potter franchise a RPG is almost certain.
phloog 09-11-05, 12:00 AM	Absolutely..no doubt about it. I've actually seen the plans. Core Book I will be oriented toward players, and will be just under 500 pages long. A large section on potions will be applicable to D&D as an alternative rule set for Alchemy. Core Book II will be the equivalent of the DMs Guide for D&D, and will be a whopping 650 pages long The Book of Magical Creatures, Core Book III, will be 1,123 pages long Core Book IV will deal primarily with teen angst, and while it will contain very little information for players or DMs, it will be over seven thousand pages long, as by the time of its release the designers will be so consumed by their own self-importance that they will be convinced that editing would only tarnish their artistic vision. Core Book V will basically be a word-for-word retelling of Joyce's Ulysses, with the addition of a set of tables in the back for randomly generating additional pages of text that DM's can insert into their own modules to pad them out without adding anything to the story.
Enthrall 09-11-05, 12:06 AM	thx for your opinion.
Sapp 09-11-05, 12:20 AM	Enthrall, keep an open mind. Phloog could just be busting your balls. I'm just giving you a heads up, in case.
phloog 09-11-05, 12:27 AM	Yes, I'm sorry if it wasn't obvious. I will admit to having anti-Rowling feelings, ever since a recent release of hers caused me several hundred dollars in chiropractic treatments after I lifted it off a high shelf. Honestly, I like most of her stuff...I just think that she had a bit of George Lucas' Disease, which causes your friends to withhold telling you things like 'that character is ludicrous', or 'did you really need 50 pages on Hermione's selection of snack food?'
Solaris 09-11-05, 12:53 AM	I like her stuff too. However... When 14 copies of her last book were sold a few days early, after her Canadian publisher neglected to inform the store that the books were not to be sold in advance, Rowling got the Supreme Court of British Columbia to issue an injunction forbidding the people to read their books. That's right --- she went to court to make it illegal for 14 people to read books they'd bought in good faith. That's so petty.. so insane.. that words fail me. To hell with J. K. Rowling; I'm never going to read another one of her books.
BlaineTog 09-11-05, 01:19 AM	Core Book V will basically be a word-for-word retelling of Joyce's Ulysses, with the addition of a set of tables in the back for randomly generating additional pages of text that DM's can insert into their own modules to pad them out without adding anything to the story.:drool: Ulysses.... soo... yummy...
Ranger REG 09-11-05, 01:58 AM	I like her stuff too. However... When 14 copies of her last book were sold a few days early, after her Canadian publisher neglected to inform the store that the books were not to be sold in advance, Rowling got the Supreme Court of British Columbia to issue an injunction forbidding the people to read their books. That's right --- she went to court to make it illegal for 14 people to read books they'd bought in good faith. That's so petty.. so insane.. that words fail me. To hell with J. K. Rowling; I'm never going to read another one of her books. That is so cool of Ms. Rowling, IMNSHO. :devil: Hey, the bookstore should never have released it earlier. I think publishers shouldn't ship their wares earlier just so the book can go on sale at one time worldwide. Just ship it on the official date of release and let the customers wait for it when it get there. Take it from a guy who live in Hawaii with no direct trucking route to the mainland US and Canada. As for the topic, that's up to Ms. Rowling since she is the creator and IP owner of the Harry Potter franchise. But honestly, you're going to wait until she give the greenlight? Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. :smirk: Just get Redhurst.
BlaineTog 09-11-05, 02:02 AM	That is so cool of Ms. Rowling, IMNSHO. :devil:It's cool that she sued 14 people into not reading her books after they bought them fair and square?
Ranger REG 09-11-05, 02:06 AM	It's cool that she sued 14 people into not reading her books after they bought them fair and square? There are two things you must know to get by in the real world: Life's not fair. And Humaniti is the universe's greatest failure. :devil:
J.Augustus Rose II 09-11-05, 07:55 AM	I like her stuff too. However... When 14 copies of her last book were sold a few days early, after her Canadian publisher neglected to inform the store that the books were not to be sold in advance, Rowling got the Supreme Court of British Columbia to issue an injunction forbidding the people to read their books. That's right --- she went to court to make it illegal for 14 people to read books they'd bought in good faith. That's so petty.. so insane.. that words fail me. To hell with J. K. Rowling; I'm never going to read another one of her books. This happens all the time. Book stores have lost their licenses with book companies for doing things like this. And the books weren't bought fair and square, they were sold illegally. When I worked at Barnes and Noble someone put out books before their release date and the store and the person involved got this big injunction slapped against them. It's how the book industry works. They don't screw around. Just so you know.
Kohdok 09-11-05, 08:01 AM	Besides, Wizards already tried and failed to make a Harry Potter game. They had a Harry Potter TCG where the life system involved shaving cards from your deck into your discard pile. In my opinion, a QUITE badly-made system. You lose about half the cards in your deck just for that, and it makes a mockery of deck strategy (How about this one? No, it'll just get discarded). I don't think they have much incentive to try that again. My answer is a resounding NO. Wizards (Tee hee) will never again try to touch Harry Potter.
Venom of the Yuan Ti 09-11-05, 02:13 PM	It will be very hard in a D&D fasion, the power levels are all totaly out of wack. Example, Draco can use ottos irresistable dance (Talantilagra) in second year, but silent spell metamagic is NEWT level.
Edymnion 09-11-05, 02:55 PM	Yes, I'm sorry if it wasn't obvious. I will admit to having anti-Rowling feelings, ever since a recent release of hers caused me several hundred dollars in chiropractic treatments after I lifted it off a high shelf.Oh please, anything under 600 pages is a short story. I'm sorry if you don't have the stamina to read a REAL book, but really now. Its not really a real story until it hits a couple thousand pages long. Wheel of Time has hit about 8400 pages now, and will top 9000 pages when the last book comes out. THAT is a story. Harry Potter is LIGHT reading by comparison.
Meruppi 09-11-05, 02:56 PM	I think that Harry Potter would work well as an RPG. It's been done as PBP before, so why not have an actual rules set? If Warner Bros, who own the rights, went to anyone for the rpg, they'd go to WoTC. But is there enough demand for an rpg?
Nuntius128 09-11-05, 06:00 PM	It will be very hard in a D&D fasion, the power levels are all totaly out of wack. Example, Draco can use ottos irresistable dance (Talantilagra) in second year, but silent spell metamagic is NEWT level. Not to mention one of their first classes is basically Polymorph 101(Transfiguration).
Humble_Player 09-11-05, 06:27 PM	NO!
Nuntius128 09-11-05, 06:40 PM	NO! Great contribution, there, you really made the day. :rolleyes:
Orayn, Elvish Blademaster 09-11-05, 06:58 PM	It would be kind of tricky to pull off without some major rules tweaks. Spells per day: Gone. Preparing spells: Nuh-uh. But bear in mind that although numerous, the spells they can cast don't have that great of combat applications. Not that they need it often. (A Harry Potter based campaign consist of more investigation and exploration than spellslinging combat.)
The Everlasting Icecube 09-11-05, 08:13 PM	Oh please, anything under 600 pages is a short story. I'm sorry if you don't have the stamina to read a REAL book, but really now. Its not really a real story until it hits a couple thousand pages long. Wheel of Time has hit about 8400 pages now, and will top 9000 pages when the last book comes out. THAT is a story. Harry Potter is LIGHT reading by comparison.I agree entirely. It's too irritating to thoroughly involve yourself in the story and the lives of the characters only to have it all end after a couple hours. If done correctly, very long books are much more rewarding to read. (If done incorrectly, with useless detail and truly boring interludes, they get dull fast.) :shifty:
Stardrake 09-11-05, 08:25 PM	From what I recall, (posted on the old version of this board) Hasbro has the toy & game rights to Harry Potter, but Rowling has right of refusal for any product. Apparently, she said "NO!" to the idea of a role-playing game, largely because she doesn't want anybody else writing "official" Harry Potter stories, which RPG adventures could well be considered. Things may change after book 7. Or they may not. Only she knows.
BlaineTog 09-11-05, 08:40 PM	Oh please, anything under 600 pages is a short story. I'm sorry if you don't have the stamina to read a REAL book, but really now. Its not really a real story until it hits a couple thousand pages long. Wheel of Time has hit about 8400 pages now, and will top 9000 pages when the last book comes out. THAT is a story. Harry Potter is LIGHT reading by comparison.I call elitist BS. Oh, and the No True Scotsman fallacy.
Angry Nutter 09-11-05, 09:49 PM	I call elitist BS. Oh, and the No True Scotsman fallacy. I think I'm on sarcasm overload...
Azzy 09-11-05, 09:54 PM	Y'know, there was a campaign idea in the back of GAZ3, The Principalities of Glantri (for bD&D) about playing young students in Glanti's school of magic.
BlaineTog 09-11-05, 10:14 PM	I think I'm on sarcasm overload...http://www.tasteslikespam.com/images/smilies/shiftyeyes.gif
Kojiro James 09-11-05, 11:43 PM	Absolutely..no doubt about it. I've actually seen the plans. Core Book I will be oriented toward players, and will be just under 500 pages long. A large section on potions will be applicable to D&D as an alternative rule set for Alchemy. Core Book II will be the equivalent of the DMs Guide for D&D, and will be a whopping 650 pages long The Book of Magical Creatures, Core Book III, will be 1,123 pages long Core Book IV will deal primarily with teen angst, and while it will contain very little information for players or DMs, it will be over seven thousand pages long, as by the time of its release the designers will be so consumed by their own self-importance that they will be convinced that editing would only tarnish their artistic vision. Core Book V will basically be a word-for-word retelling of Joyce's Ulysses, with the addition of a set of tables in the back for randomly generating additional pages of text that DM's can insert into their own modules to pad them out without adding anything to the story. I think you have J.K. Rowling confused with Robert Jordan.
Venom of the Yuan Ti 09-12-05, 03:20 AM	Not to mention one of their first classes is basically Polymorph 101(Transfiguration). Exept only a very few people in the world know polymorph (and it seems that most of them know it illegaly) and Alter self seems only to be available as an Illegal potion...
sparticus_eleisum 09-12-05, 10:42 AM	Harry Potter does not need his own RPG, a single module would do the trick, you already have all that you need, templates(half giants, lycanthropes, giant vermin), Monsters(Gryphon, dragons, centaurs, merfolk), and magic... almost half Players handbook and almost every other non core book has his space for even more magic... Just a little name swaping is enough So you can already play a HP campaign... just use the d20 module that was written by some folks of the forums... I saw it once... and it was on a nice PDF, sadly the search is not working...
Zebek 09-12-05, 10:57 AM	It's cool that she sued 14 people into not reading her books after they bought them fair and square? Injunction commentary (http://www.raincoast.com/harrypotter/injunction-commentary.html) "There was no “crackdown” against innocents caught up in the situation. In fact Raincoast requested assistance, promised not to penalize those consumers involved, and threatened nothing more onerous than a signed bookplate and T-shirt." "All in all, a very Canadian outcome: a court asked Canadians to temporarily return books, Canadians voluntarily came forward and no one was made into an instant celebrity."
DrMorganes 09-12-05, 11:04 AM	Oh please, anything under 600 pages is a short story. I'm sorry if you don't have the stamina to read a REAL book, but really now. Its not really a real story until it hits a couple thousand pages long. Wheel of Time has hit about 8400 pages now, and will top 9000 pages when the last book comes out. THAT is a story. Harry Potter is LIGHT reading by comparison. I second that, Edy. I finished The Half Blood Prince in just over 4 hours - and it took that long because I was reading it at work during lunch and breaks.
J.Augustus Rose II 09-12-05, 02:58 PM	I second that, Edy. I finished The Half Blood Prince in just over 4 hours - and it took that long because I was reading it at work during lunch and breaks. It's not a race. I don't know why people think reading fast suddenly makes you king of the hill.
StormKnight 09-12-05, 03:10 PM	If you wanted to do a Harry Potter RPG, I think D&D would be about as unsuited for it as a system could get. A game roughly following the theme of the books (school age wizards) would not be combat focused, would not present a wide array of different archetype classes, would not lend itself to a level based progression, and just generally wouldn't work with many elements of D&D. Not to mention the fact that half the plots in Harry Potter work because the wizard world seems to be full of blundering idiots. Such stuff would have a hard time working out in an RPG, where characters can actually apply some amount of common sense and logic to the world around them.
Keenath 09-12-05, 03:12 PM	When 14 copies of her last book were sold a few days early, after her Canadian publisher neglected to inform the store that the books were not to be sold in advance, Rowling got the Supreme Court of British Columbia to issue an injunction forbidding the people to read their books. That's right --- she went to court to make it illegal for 14 people to read books they'd bought in good faith.Okay, to be clear, and fair about this: JK Rowling did NOT go to court. Her PUBLISHER went to court, and this sort of injunction is not that uncommon for highly-anticipated releases. Publishers deal with bookstores constantly screwing up on release dates. I'm not saying I particularly like this sort of thing, but there are legitimate business reasons for it. It's not that horrible a deal for the purchasers, either -- the company wasn't being some sort of ogre. According to what I read, the company just contacted the people, asked them to return the books until the proper release date, and in return they sent each family an autographed gift pack. Edit: Oh, I see Zebek got there first. Missed his post somehow!
Keenath 09-12-05, 03:29 PM	It's not a race. I don't know why people think reading fast suddenly makes you king of the hill. It isn't speed per se, it's just that some people seem to thing a book with 1000 pages is long. While a 700 page book is a hefty volume, it isn't uncommon in fantasy writing. On the original topic: A Harry Potter RPG would be much more suited to a non-levelling system like BESM or GURPS than D20. D&D's magic system is much to constrained for people who can throw spells around all day long, without much effort. If you did want to use a D20 system, it would be better to link casting to some sort of skill-roll system, with a different skill for each school of magic, so that as you increase your ranks you can easily perform tasks that used to be difficult. Add +5 to the DC for casting silently, perhaps another +5 if you don't use a wand, and probably some sort of nonlethal damage or stamina point system so that spells that are above your normal ability tire you out, but spells well within your abilities don't cause any more fatigue than doing normal tasks. I tend to agree with StormKnight that HP isn't very combat-heavy, so D&D's emphasis on fighting is needless. It would work better in a system that's designed more around task completion. Combat could largely be handled with opposed rolling, considering how common counterspelling is in HP.
rogar2465 09-12-05, 04:13 PM	Why not? They made a Buffy the Vamp slayer RPG didnt they?
Orayn, Elvish Blademaster 09-12-05, 08:06 PM	Keenath's post brings me to my next idea: Spell aptitude. Spell aptitude would be a system that determines what adverse affects result from spellcasting. For example, say Ron has a spell aptitude of 4. He can cast all the spells he wants of level 3 or lower without trouble. If he casts too many spells of level 4 or above, he has to start making concentration checks or his spells will start to fizzle. If he tries to cast a level 5 spell, he's got to succeed a fortitude saving throw or become dazed. For a level 6 spell, the save would be higher and he'd become stunned. A level 7 spell could very well knock him out, and a level 8 spell might even get into ability score damage. It'd work great with V20, a classless D20 variant, which can be found here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=496454).
Nuntius128 09-12-05, 08:08 PM	Some characters can be very easily translated into D&D. Example, Hagrid being a Half-Giant Wizard 2/Expert 6. Course, yeah, D&D isn't really the best system to translate Harry Potter into, IMO.
Solaris 09-12-05, 08:48 PM	"There was no “crackdown” against innocents caught up in the situation. If there had been, I'd be angrier than I am now. However, the mere fact that they went to court and got an injunction against those people is sufficiently despicable. JK Rowling did NOT go to court. Her PUBLISHER went to court With her support. Her legal team was involved. She provided the signed bookplates. This didn't happen behind her back or without her consent. I hold her responsible for what I consider to be a morally reprehensible action. Just my opinion.
The_Rose 09-12-05, 09:00 PM	Besides, Wizards already tried and failed to make a Harry Potter game. They had a Harry Potter TCG where the life system involved shaving cards from your deck into your discard pile. In my opinion, a QUITE badly-made system. You lose about half the cards in your deck just for that, and it makes a mockery of deck strategy (How about this one? No, it'll just get discarded). You never played DBZ, did you? It certainly makes strategy difficult, but it makes you have backup plans in case anything gets discarded. Once you've got a decent deck set up, you don't have to worry about losing cards: everything you have supplements everything else you have: no card loss makes or breaks the game. And they turned WoT into a d20 system, didn't they? it's all about spontaneous casting... you just have to rework the power levels of everything, and find a way to account for learning spells (perhaps a certain set of spells at different levels that are granted based on what classes you take?) And, there's also the no-limits casting issue, but that is (possibly) countered by easier saves against all spells... or perhaps adding your Spellcraft mod to any save to resist a spell
Yak of Darkness 09-13-05, 01:09 AM	Why not? They made a Buffy the Vamp slayer RPG didnt they?Well, if by "they" you mean "any people anywhere," then yeah, there is one. But it wasn't WotC and its only similarities to D&D are the use of pencils, paper, and dice. It's also a damn fine game, and it fits the series (as well as similar concepts). Which is why any HP game, to be decent, will need to emphatically be NOT D&D.
primemover003 09-13-05, 08:22 PM	Oh please, anything under 600 pages is a short story. I'm sorry if you don't have the stamina to read a REAL book, but really now. Its not really a real story until it hits a couple thousand pages long. Wheel of Time has hit about 8400 pages now, and will top 9000 pages when the last book comes out. THAT is a story. Harry Potter is LIGHT reading by comparison. Or George R.R. Martin's a Song of Ice and Fire series.... yeesh!
ORC_Paradox 09-13-05, 09:29 PM	Harry Potter plays D&D. On the floor of his room when he's looking for the diary in the Chamber of Secrets movie, one of the books is Encyclopedia Magica 3.
Venom of the Yuan Ti 09-14-05, 03:14 AM	Harry Potter plays D&D. On the floor of his room when he's looking for the diary in the Chamber of Secrets movie, one of the books is Encyclopedia Magica 3. 1st, as a HP fan I would point out that that book almost certainly belongs to one of the other kids, based on HPs upbringing. 2nd, We know what Wizards chess is like, immadgine Wizards D&D!
Venom of the Yuan Ti 09-14-05, 03:16 AM	If there had been, I'd be angrier than I am now. However, the mere fact that they went to court and got an injunction against those people is sufficiently despicable. With her support. Her legal team was involved. She provided the signed bookplates. This didn't happen behind her back or without her consent. I hold her responsible for what I consider to be a morally reprehensible action. Just my opinion. PTerry Tolken Darl Wells All authors who, at one time or another, atempted legal action after one of their books was released too early. There are plenty more.
Ranger REG 09-14-05, 04:13 AM	Tolken At least have the decency to spell "Tolkien" right. Immoral or not, authors treat their IP the same way we treat our own physical property: they can do with it any way they like and sue people who use them without their permission. Some of you guys -- with the exception of Yuan Ti -- is taking this Kender-style "sharing" thing too seriously. I guess that what happen when you live under the culture of Napster (pre-commercial period) and Kazaa. :rolleye2:
Nuntius128 09-14-05, 04:30 AM	1st, as a HP fan I would point out that that book almost certainly belongs to one of the other kids, based on HPs upbringing. 2nd, We know what Wizards chess is like, immadgine Wizards D&D! 1st that's a very valid point. The most he would've played at the Dursley residence would be "sit on the bed." 2nd, this is the Wizards D&D website. :D
Venom of the Yuan Ti 09-14-05, 04:34 AM	2nd, this is the Wizards D&D website. :D YOU KNOW FULL WELL WHAT I MEAN!
Nuntius128 09-14-05, 04:53 AM	YOU KNOW FULL WELL WHAT I MEAN! Yup. And I made it funny.
Solaris 09-14-05, 05:48 AM	Some of you guys -- with the exception of Yuan Ti -- is taking this Kender-style "sharing" thing too seriously. I guess that what happen when you live under the culture of Napster (pre-commercial period) and Kazaa. Not at all. I wasn't advocating copyright infringement. I just think it's obscene that Ms. Rowling was willing to go to court to make it illegal for people to read books they'd bought in good faith. They didn't steal the books. They didn't illegally copy them. They didn't obtain them by any illicit means whatsoever. They bought them from a store. The publisher made the mistake by not informing that store of the release date. The people didn't do anything wrong. If it comes to the right of private citizens to be free from legal molestation by corporations, or the right of corporations to protect their books from being seen by a few people (fourteen -- oh, the horror), then I'm going to side with the people. The action taken by Ms. Rowling and her publisher was petty and completely out of proportion to any potential damages. It's not about "kender-style sharing", it's about the principle that corporations shouldn't abuse the law to intimidate people and meddle in their lives. Since Ms. Rowling supports such actions, I won't support Ms. Rowling. Again, though, it's personal opinion. If that principle doesn't happen to be one of yours, then that's fine. (I didn't want to derail this thread -- I simply wanted to inform people of what had happened. And although I thought I'd explained myself well enough, that kender comment indicates I hadn't).
Venom of the Yuan Ti 09-14-05, 08:08 AM	Whilst you have made your point quite elequently you still miss the point that the books were bought and sold ILLEGALY. Bought AND sold. Also do you honestly think that these people beleved it to be legal? The release dates of these books are well known, many shops have countdowns in their windows. Face it, those peole KNEW they were breaking the law.
Solaris 09-14-05, 08:23 AM	Whilst you have made your point quite elequently you still miss the point that the books were bought and sold ILLEGALY. I don't miss it. I just don't think it's worth going to court over in this case. There's no evidence of any deliberate wrongdoing. Books were sold before they were explicitly authorized, because the publisher forgot to inform the store of the authorized date. So copyright was accidentally infringed by fourteen people. Also do you honestly think that these people beleved it to be legal? The release dates of these books are well known. I imagine the dates are well known to a particular hard-core nerd faction, yes. But if I'd gone into the store, I would have thought "Oh, hey, the new Harry Potter book is out. I'll buy it." I might have committed a technical illegality through no fault of my own, and I don't believe I should then have been subject to a court injunction over it. I would have bought it in good faith, and would have seriously resented the action that would have been taken against me. And it could have been me. And since I don't like a world where this kind of thing is tolerated, I do the only thing I can, and refuse to support it.
StormKnight 09-14-05, 11:11 AM	Also do you honestly think that these people beleved it to be legal? The release dates of these books are well known, many shops have countdowns in their windows. Face it, those peole KNEW they were breaking the law. First off, stores frequently get release dates wrong and different stores frequently get items in at different times. Its absurd to expect a consumer to know "when" its legal for them to buy something - that's the responsibility of the seller. As far as I know, there aren't any laws regarding buying something ahead of time. I don't even think there are laws regarding selling things ahead of time - thought it often may involve a contract breach or serious repercussions from the supplier, there's nothing inherently illegal about it. I really don't know what happened with Rowlings. As far as I know, people who bought the books early were offered a set of nice incentives to return their books for another few days. Seems a silly amount of trouble to go through to me, but it doesn't sound like anyone minded and I don't really believe there were any possible legal consequences, so I can't say it bothers me. Wizards play D&D? Nah, they probably have RPGs like "Muggles and Machines".
DraconsNighthawk 09-14-05, 11:33 AM	Speaking of which, they wouldn't be true wizards in the sense, since they all have a bit of magical power in them, thus is why muggles cannot learn magic. So wouldn't it really be sorcerers? Or a mixture of wizards/sorcerers? Also, if your half muggle, would that make it so your spells are weaker? Come on guys! We're all pros, we can make this rpg rule set right here!
J.Augustus Rose II 09-14-05, 12:27 PM	I don't miss it. I just don't think it's worth going to court over in this case. There's no evidence of any deliberate wrongdoing. Books were sold before they were explicitly authorized, because the publisher forgot to inform the store of the authorized date. So copyright was accidentally infringed by fourteen people. As far as you know. But you don't know what really happened so you're just getting all up-in-arms about a situation you know nothing about. You don't even know the specifics of the laws so your opinion is less than educated. And just because you don't think it was worth going to court over the case that doesn't mean the publisher shouldn't. Especially since they might just know a bit more about it than you.
Bud Green 09-14-05, 12:53 PM	As far as you know. But you don't know what really happened so you're just getting all up-in-arms about a situation you know nothing about. You don't even know the specifics of the laws so your opinion is less than educated. And just because you don't think it was worth going to court over the case that doesn't mean the publisher shouldn't. Especially since they might just know a bit more about it than you. Dont get your panties in a bunch - he has a right to his opinion.
J.Augustus Rose II 09-14-05, 02:17 PM	I'm not. I'm just pointing out the obvious flaws in his opinion. Everyone can have an opinion but not every opinion is educated and right. I'm just being logical.
Sir Knight 09-14-05, 04:47 PM	I can't understand the mentality of the people who hear about an offense that doesn't even affect them and they "boycott" products. I think it is silly. I knew someone who boycotted McDonalds because twice they gave her ice in her drink when she asked them not to and another who boycotted Pirates of the Caribean due to something Johnny Depp said. I find that really silly. The law was broke, they were worried about spoilers, AND criminal charges weren't placed on the buyers and they received autographs. They made out! I think d20 system is all wrong for Harry Potter RPG. It would have to be a mechanics light, story telling system. It would be neat to have mini-handbooks for each subject that details the rules for said topic (i.e. a book on Transfiguration will have rules on shapeshifting and polymorphing etc.). It would be neat if done correctly though and I'd love to be a player but not sure about being a GM... that would take a LOT of work!
Solaris 09-14-05, 06:45 PM	I can't understand the mentality of the people who hear about an offense that doesn't even affect them and they "boycott" products. I think it is silly. Well, to try to help you to understand... I care about more than just myself. If someone screws you over, what's stopping them from screwing me over? If someone makes the world a worse place by being a jerk to you, then I have to live in a worse world. As for boycotting, regardless of how effective it might be, what else is one supposed to do? Principles are what you have when nobody is looking. And principles don't mean anything if nobody stands for them. I would have written a letter to Ms. Rowling about it, but her only contact is via a hired mail-reader. So I must simply refuse to support actions I disagree with. Silly? I guess that, too, is a matter of opinion.
Solaris 09-14-05, 06:48 PM	As far as you know. But you don't know what really happened so you're just getting all up-in-arms about a situation you know nothing about. You don't even know the specifics of the laws so your opinion is less than educated. I've read several anayses of the event, and what happened is what I said happened. I know enough to make a personal judgement call. The publisher was well within its rights to do what it did, but I don't believe it was right to do what it did. There is no illogic here. My notion of moral behavior just happens to differ from legal allowances.
Ranger REG 09-14-05, 08:04 PM	If it comes to the right of private citizens to be free from legal molestation by corporations, or the right of corporations to protect their books from being seen by a few people (fourteen -- oh, the horror), then I'm going to side with the people. My half-ferengi half-Hutt corporate brain tells me to be wary of such enemy. :devil: The action taken by Ms. Rowling and her publisher was petty and completely out of proportion to any potential damages. It's not about "kender-style sharing", it's about the principle that corporations shouldn't abuse the law to intimidate people and meddle in their lives. Since Ms. Rowling supports such actions, I won't support Ms. Rowling. Again, though, it's personal opinion. If that principle doesn't happen to be one of yours, then that's fine. Well, if you ask me, this "release date" or "street date" is petty and ridiculous, too. Why, so customers can rearrange their finance to buy them when it comes out? So people in Hawai'i will have the same-day opportunity with the rest of the so-called continental US to acquire them? Puh-lease. :rolleye2: If you're gonna put any kind of release date, it should be on the distribution of the product, not the selling. After all, the stores are not like them movie theaters. Once a store get their shipment, it automatically goes up on the shelves. That's their nature. It may sucks for those are lagging in the Time Zone (products from the US get to Hawaii last) but "sale date" is ridiculous.
J.Augustus Rose II 09-15-05, 01:21 AM	I've read several anayses of the event, and what happened is what I said happened. I know enough to make a personal judgement call. The publisher was well within its rights to do what it did, but I don't believe it was right to do what it did. There is no illogic here. My notion of moral behavior just happens to differ from legal allowances. The people involved were also given a butt-load of free swag for their troubles. Signed copies of the book, movies, posters, etc. They made out better than any of us for doing nothing more than returning their books. You're being outraged for people who didn't care about it. And that is illogical.
Solaris 09-15-05, 01:44 AM	The people involved were also given a butt-load of free swag for their troubles. Signed copies of the book, movies, posters, etc. They made out better than any of us for doing nothing more than returning their books. You're being outraged for people who didn't care about it. And that is illogical. I've explained how it's logical: if it's ok to do it to them, then it's ok to do it to me. Whether or not they care that it was done to them, I care that it could be done to me. I'm not outraged on their behalf; I'm outraged that it was done at all, that this kind of petty behavior is acceptable, that Rowling is willing to throw her legal weight against individuals who, as far as is known, acted in good faith. If someone went to court and made it illegal for me to read a book that I'd bought, then it would be a Code of Conduct violation for me to say what they could go do with themselves. Offering me a signed bookplate wouldn't suddenly make that behavior okay. Yet again, however, if it's cool with you, that's fine. But I don't have to like it or support it (even though the continued argument around here suggests you people think I do). I wouldn't have thought this was such a difficult concept: in my opinion, Rowling and her publisher were acting like jerks, and I don't want to support them. Stupid me, I guess, for thinking anyone else around here might give half a damn.
Azzy 09-15-05, 03:52 AM	I've explained how it's logical: if it's ok to do it to them, then it's ok to do it to me. Whether or not they care that it was done to them, I care that it could be done to me. I'm not outraged on their behalf; I'm outraged that it was done at all, that this kind of petty behavior is acceptable, that Rowling is willing to throw her legal weight against individuals who, as far as is known, acted in good faith. If someone went to court and made it illegal for me to read a book that I'd bought, then it would be a Code of Conduct violation for me to say what they could go do with themselves. Offering me a signed bookplate wouldn't suddenly make that behavior okay. Yet again, however, if it's cool with you, that's fine. But I don't have to like it or support it (even though the continued argument around here suggests you people think I do). I wouldn't have thought this was such a difficult concept: in my opinion, Rowling and her publisher were acting like jerks, and I don't want to support them. Really, the people who bought the books early were compensated for any undue trouble they were caused. And let's not worry about the rights of the publishers or author... not like they matter. You do realise that WotC has busted some chops for selling their books before the release date? Are you going to boycott D&D, now? Stupid me, I guess, for thinking anyone else around here might give half a damn. Sorry, what with tsunami, hurricanes, terrorisim, war and endless political gaffes... my giving a damn is stretched thin and reserved for more important things.
Solaris 09-15-05, 04:04 AM	Really, the people who bought the books early were compensated for any undue trouble they were caused. As I said before, In my opinion a signed bookplate doesn't compensate for having an injunction filed against you over a triviality. And let's not worry about the rights of the publishers or author... not like they matter. As I said before, In my opinion the rights of the publisher matter less than the rights of the people in this case. You do realise that WotC has busted some chops for selling their books before the release date? Are you going to boycott D&D, now? If I find out they're going to court against private citizens who didn't deliberately do anything malicious, then yes, I'll boycott WotC. Sorry, what with tsunami, hurricanes, terrorisim, war and endless political gaffes... my giving a damn is stretched thin and reserved for more important things. I can care about lots of things at the same time. What's your limit?
Azzy 09-15-05, 05:43 AM	Responded by PM to Solaris' PM. Simply, my limit is to actual injustices rather than, IMO, percieved injustices. I do not feel that what happened was an act of tyranny on the part of the publisher--especially when the purchasers were compensated for their inconvienence.
Venom of the Yuan Ti 09-15-05, 06:31 AM	Also, if your half muggle, would that make it so your spells are weaker? Come on guys! We're all pros, we can make this rpg rule set right here! Granger. Longbottom
StormKnight 09-15-05, 06:15 PM	If I find out they're going to court against private citizens who didn't deliberately do anything malicious, then yes, I'll boycott WotC. Hmm, how about if they used their corporate might to bully lots of little companies into dropping out of business from producing various CCGs with unjustified threats?
Ranger REG 09-15-05, 08:03 PM	I'm gonna say this product title one more time, folks. REDHURST. At least it can serve as a starting reference document -- like the SRD -- for a HP-clone RPG.
Solaris 09-15-05, 08:44 PM	Hmm, how about if they used their corporate might to bully lots of little companies into dropping out of business from producing various CCGs with unjustified threats? No, that doesn't bother me much.
ORC_Paradox 09-22-05, 09:32 PM	1st, as a HP fan I would point out that that book almost certainly belongs to one of the other kids, based on HPs upbringing. 2nd, We know what Wizards chess is like, immadgine Wizards D&D! Actually, it's HIS book since it's his stuff he's going through. Now you know why he wanted to get away from the Dursleys so bad... to go play D&D at Hogwarts. Knowing how he ignores the rules, he probably sets up games in the dungeon.
Ranger REG 09-23-05, 02:36 AM	Actually, it's HIS book since it's his stuff he's going through. Now you know why he wanted to get away from the Dursleys so bad... to go play D&D at Hogwarts. Knowing how he ignores the rules, he probably sets up games in the dungeon. :eek: Harry in the dungeon with Hermione? Naughty.
Verelor 09-23-05, 06:19 PM	Harry Potter is THE crap.
Ranger REG 09-23-05, 06:27 PM	Harry Potter is THE crap. Why? Because you didn't get to write about him first, or are you a fan of Artemis Fowl?
ORC_Paradox 09-23-05, 09:59 PM	He's still a punk. http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7333822&postcount=189
Ranger REG 09-24-05, 02:55 AM	I could've sworn they look goth, WizO. [Until Green Day have tall spiked hair and mohawk, they're not punk. Yet.]
Nuntius128 09-24-05, 03:26 AM	Granger. Longbottom *SPOILER* Snape. And look at what he did in Half-Blood Prince, after-all. Weak Half-bloods? My muggle ass. Oops, forgot another *SPOILER* Voldemort. Beat that.
Balefire 09-24-05, 12:52 PM	One flaw I can see in the system... Oops, I left my wand out on the counter and my dog ate it. I'm now a 20th level wizard that is completely useless.
Ductape 09-24-05, 04:57 PM	we sorta made one for Goof gaming I posted it a while back on the DL boards but here you go http://www.freewebs.com/cwnannwn/hogwartsrpg.htm and Ill tell you right now.. the art aint mine... I got most of it from a different website, with the site owners ok, as long as I dont sell it. We put it together to teach the basics of gaming to my wifes younger cousins
Ranger REG 09-25-05, 03:06 AM	One flaw I can see in the system... Oops, I left my wand out on the counter and my dog ate it. I'm now a 20th level wizard that is completely useless. Not unless you have mastery over certain spells that you don't need a wand focus (though it is still helpful).
Nuntius128 09-25-05, 03:10 AM	One flaw I can see in the system... Oops, I left my wand out on the counter and my dog ate it. I'm now a 20th level wizard that is completely useless. How many 20th level Wizards are you expecting to just leave their wand sitting out, even where a dog would eat it. Think about it, how many Fighters just happen to forget their ancestral spear back in the pub? That much experience, they'd know better. That flaw you see is called "stupid roleplaying."
Balefire 09-25-05, 08:43 PM	I guess I'm just the victim of cruel DMs. If you have a cool magic item that you really like, it will inevitably be utterly destroyed in one or two sessions. And really, there are many ways of breaking a measly little twig, not the least of which is magic. Combat would go something like this: Roll for initiative!!! Combatant One: d20=11+2 dex mod = 13 Combatant Two: d20=15+3 dex mod = 18 Combatant Two Acts first. Combatant Two casts a spell that breaks combatant one's wand and them proceeds to kill him. Unless they deviate greatly from the traditional d20 style, it turns into an initiative battle.
I Am Famine 09-26-05, 10:39 AM	As the great legal war of fire and death seems to be over I can now safely post something DnD related... :P Note i've never actually read the books and only ever watched the first two films which were pretty cool so my oppinion might not be entirely valid. I'm not sure if this has been posted yet but you could use NPC classes. You could create many characters and roles with the very general Adept, Aristocrat and Expert classes alone. They're slightly weaker and more plot-driven than the core classes and in game terms provide a decent level of danger towards the payers when battles occur. They'll have to outsmart their enemies rather than take them head on so long as the DM gives them a chance they'll be okay, so Beholder Barbarians might need to be put on the back-burner. ;)