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D&D and Japan [Archive] - Wizards Community

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AllisterH
03-11-07, 12:21 AM Hi, I'm interested in any links that talk about D&D in Japan.

One of the reasons why is that on another forum on this board, a poster was decrying how "anime" D&D was becoming. Paraphrasing, it was too "Final Fantasy".

The ironic thing is that the original Final Fantasy used the original D&D classes. As well, things like Record of Lodoss wars are straight D&D derivatives.

The problem is, not many people seem to know how much of an influence D&D has had on Japan (how much does the Final Fantasy and the Dragon Quest series make every time they are released?)

So I'm looking for articles that talk about this. If not, any comments would be great for this thread.
Lady Morn
03-11-07, 12:35 PM I remember reading an article (if I can find the link I'll post it) a year or two ago, written by an American gamer doing his college study-abroad in Japan. One of the key points he made was that pen-and-paper gaming was extremely rare and not very popular in Japan. First, space is a premium in Japan. Most families live in apartments that would be viewed as cramped by Western standards. So, finding a space large enough to accommodate a game presents a challenge. Something as basic as five people and a table probably consumes 3/4 of the apartment. :eek: Second, and more importantly, is the prevalence of video game RPGs. That's pretty self-explanatory.

Personally, I don't see D&D having a direct influence. More likely what is happening is D&D's influence on American video games, which have influenced American pop culture, which has gone on to influence Japanese pop culture. :detect:
simex
03-12-07, 11:26 AM Yeah, this is something I've been wondering about myself. Record of Lodoss war , a fantasy anime from the late 80s (i think), is clearly modeled after a D&D campaign. You've even got a pretty standard D&D party. Elf Ranger, Dwarf Fighter, Paladin, Thief (rogue), Cleric, and a Wizard. There's no way it's coincidental. But have any D&D books ever been translated and sold overseas?
Escef
03-12-07, 11:37 AM Yeah, this is something I've been wondering about myself. Record of Lodoss war , a fantasy anime from the late 80s (i think), is clearly modeled after a D&D campaign. You've even got a pretty standard D&D party. Elf Ranger, Dwarf Fighter, Paladin, Thief (rogue), Cleric, and a Wizard. There's no way it's coincidental. But have any D&D books ever been translated and sold overseas?

No, it's better than that. The Elf is more akin to pre-AD&D elves (when elf in and of itself was a class). I recall reading an interview with one of the writers responsible for RoLW, and they did indeed talk D&D to the man, who was familiar with the 1e bard, but not the 2e. For those interested, it was in an old issue of Animerica magazine. I don't know which issue, and I no longer have a copy as I gave or threw away all of mine some time ago. Heck, I don't even know if the magazine still exists. EDIT: It does.
Zumarai
03-12-07, 12:06 PM Supposedly they already have 7th edition in Japan.

…Of course it's smaller, faster and cheaper.
_Jayne_Cobb_
03-12-07, 12:14 PM IIRC Lodoss was based on the D&D game of those who made it. They approached TSR with the idea of making a D&D setting based on Lodoss. TSR declined (another win for Lorraine Williams :rolleyes:) and so the Lodoss guys made their own RPG which went on to sell like a bazillion copies.
Sikyanakotik
03-12-07, 04:45 PM Supposedly they already have 7th edition in Japan.

…Of course it's smaller, faster and cheaper.

So that's where BESM came from! ;)
Halaku
03-12-07, 04:50 PM So that's where BESM came from! ;)

gaaah... do not mention that system, its broken even more easily then Exalted.. >.<
Escef
03-12-07, 04:51 PM So that's where BESM came from! ;)

I have a copy of first edition BESM. The rules are even more vague than first edition Vampire the Masquerade.
Fabius Maximus
03-12-07, 05:04 PM IIRC Lodoss was based on the D&D game of those who made it. They approached TSR with the idea of making a D&D setting based on Lodoss. TSR declined (another win for Lorraine Williams :rolleyes:) and so the Lodoss guys made their own RPG which went on to sell like a bazillion copies.
Not that I wouldn't complain that TSR declinded. Record of Lodoss War is one bad anime.
AllisterH
03-12-07, 05:07 PM IIRC Lodoss was based on the D&D game of those who made it. They approached TSR with the idea of making a D&D setting based on Lodoss. TSR declined (another win for Lorraine Williams :rolleyes:) and so the Lodoss guys made their own RPG which went on to sell like a bazillion copies.

I heard about this too but at the time, I thought the company was still owned by Gygax (this was the mid 80s) when RoLW came out.

The influence D&D has on computer RPGs could also be an article by itself. I mean, D&D is/was derided for its HP inflation method compared to other table top RPGs but pretty much EVERY videogame RPG be it console or computer tend to favour the HP inflation method.
Escef
03-12-07, 05:08 PM Not that I wouldn't complain that TSR declinded. Record of Lodoss War is one bad anime.

You realize that you're in the minority, right? 'Course, I've also seen people that thought Akira was crap. And my older bro was hooked by Legend of Black Heaven (Kacho O-ji).
Tzjanii
03-12-07, 08:48 PM Akira always weirded me out a bit to much for me to like it... (in the movie version at least) The story seemed choppy and basically the second half as I remember it was kind of gross.

Though a friend of mine devours the manga like they were made of chocolate, so maybe I just aren't into it enough.
revaar
03-12-07, 11:36 PM gaaah... do not mention that system, its broken even more easily then Exalted.. >.<

what's broken a bout a 12 point (aka normal human) character being able to one -shot a planet?
JoAT
03-13-07, 03:25 AM gaaah... do not mention that system, its broken even more easily then Exalted.. >.<

That depends on which edition/game you have, of course - with the cap rules (interesting how levels have been appearing in so many point based games over the past few years), dX introduced, things get less brokered. Of course, with the death of GoO, it doesn't matter so much...
Dreamstryder
03-13-07, 07:40 AM I believe White Wolf releases BESM 3e now...

Anyway, Final Fantasy (FF) does indeed come from D&D to an extent. In the first FF game, magic is handled very close if not identically to Vancian casting, and there are a number of monsters (warthog-headed catoblepases, mindflayers, re-styled "beholders") in the FF games up to 5 at least that were D&D exclusives.

I would venture to say some mechanics in newer D&D supplements derive some influence from Japanese RP video games in turn: the 3.5e DR system came out about the same time as the Sword of Mana video game, which uses the same type of system. This proves people are thinking along the same game-strategy-mechanic lines. In the Magic Item Compedium, take a look at those augment crystals (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ps/20070209a) (which, by the way, are awesome)! Anyway, all those dungeon-fight monsters RPGs and D&D are the same kind of game, right? Expect the same or similar audiences. Both could conceivable cross on routes to make their games more mechanically interesting. Video games do it every new game; D&D does it with new supplements.

Another thing people who cry of too much Japanese pop culture in their D&D are concerned with, I'm guessing, is merely players who prefer to dally in the shadows of their muses... and the DMs' muses differ from their players': "No! No oversized weapons in my world! No! Nnno nnnninjas!" This isn't really an anime problem...

I've seen some pics of D&D books in Japanese on the web, to answer that question, and have personally seen a D&D article in a Japanese magazine (might have been Dragon Fantasy Comics magazine).
Fabius Maximus
03-13-07, 09:34 AM You realize that you're in the minority, right? 'Course, I've also seen people that thought Akira was crap. And my older bro was hooked by Legend of Black Heaven (Kacho O-ji).

People hating Akira did obviously not understand the movie. (Though I admit that it's kinda hard to get.)

RoLW is a cliché story with cliché characters. It's boring.
enlightened
03-13-07, 07:46 PM I'm a seven year veteran of the role playing game scene in Japan, and let me tell you, it is dead.

The average person has never even heard of the existance of RPGs that don't involve a computer.

I have tried to explain it to people over the years, but nobody seems to really get it. Even my girlfriend, who has been playing for about two years now, still claims to not understand the concept when we are talking about the game to other people (although she plays fine).

I live in Fukuoka, a city of 1.3 million people, and I can count the number of places that sell pen and paper role playing game books here on one hand. That's not much.

Hobby Japan is the company that translates all the D20 books into Japanese (so far they have translated more than 20 of them), so they are Japan's window into D&D. Googling them would be the first place to start if you looking for info on D&D in Japan.
Silverthumb128
03-13-07, 08:13 PM That guy who posts here, angryguy, he's from Japan, IIRC.
AllisterH
03-13-07, 08:41 PM I had a feeling that paper RPGs were disappearing from Japan.

Do they still even publish those play by play replays of campaigns in the japanese DRAGON magazine (Japan DRAGON isn't the same as American DRAGON. Just share the name).

Hell, its not even japan. I mean, what percentage of WoW players do you think have ever played a table top RPG? 5% or am I thinking that's too high?
SkyOdin
03-14-07, 01:48 AM Well, I know that the original creator of the Yu-Gi-Oh! manga is a huge fan of pen and paper RPGs (in addition to Magic the Gathering and random board games). After all, the last story arc of the first part of the manga involves the main characters getting trapped in the worst D&D game ever played (they get their souls trapped in lead minatures by an evil DM who knows how to cheat on d% rolls).
Zumarai
03-14-07, 07:45 AM People hating Akira did obviously not understand the movie.

Not true, maybe they understood it, but thought it was overrated carp anyway.

I personally thought it was mildly amusing.
runestar
03-14-07, 07:56 AM Interesting. Cosplay and dnd seem like they might go hand in hand...:P
cog_n_taz
03-14-07, 08:24 AM That guy who posts here, angryguy, he's from Japan, IIRC.

So am I, and enlightened is right. D&D is not dead here, it never really existed. On the other hand, the kids I have introduced it to (12~13 on average) love it. 'course, roleplaying is something only one of 'em got to, but they all loved it before I could even afford a PHB in japanese between us. Considering this, I fail to see how it doesn't sell in japan. It helps that the people who I play it are rather unusual, but I blame lack of effort and marketing.
Escef
03-14-07, 09:00 AM Interesting. Cosplay and dnd seem like they might go hand in hand...:P

No, that would be cosplay and LARPing. Don't go dragging me into that weird varient on Halloween just 'cause I play D&D.
Zumarai
03-14-07, 09:06 AM No, that would be cosplay and LARPing. Don't go dragging me into that weird variant on Halloween just 'cause I play D&D.

Like it centurion, like it.
Daiben
03-14-07, 10:47 AM tabletop gaming in general, let along D&D, is extremely rare in Japan. It's partially a cultural issue but more to do with the lack of private space within homes. Bedrooms are too narrow for large groups, lack appropriate furnitute and are often shared between siblings. Playing in the living room of most houses would technically be possible but would be very intrusive for the parents in Japanese culture.

Collectable card games are, or at least used to be, extremely popular over here. Japanese kids love collecting things and the games themselves require little room to actually play. There were a few similar ones to MTG 4-6 years ago but the more recent fads are basically just collecting rather than gaming.
_Jayne_Cobb_
03-14-07, 11:22 AM People hating Akira did obviously not understand the movie.

Sorry, but that is utter shash. Just cos someone doesn't like something does not meant they didn't understand it, and it is more than a little arrogant to suggest otherwise.
Zumarai
03-14-07, 11:30 AM Sorry, but that is utter shash. Just cos someone doesn't like something does not meant they didn't understand it, and it is more than a little arrogant to suggest otherwise.

Totally.
AllisterH
03-14-07, 02:07 PM That's kind of weird that D&D has had less success relative in japan than N.America given that it wouldn't be wrong to say that console RPGs are to the japanese videgame market what the FPS is the N.american market.

How does a country that pretty much loves its console RPGs NOT be a bigger fan of the source material? I guess I underestimated the space issue since you don't really think about how much space a typical night at your friends takes up when you game.
Silverthumb128
03-14-07, 03:03 PM Sorry, but that is utter shash. Just cos someone doesn't like something does not meant they didn't understand it, and it is more than a little arrogant to suggest otherwise.

Quoted for emphatic truth.

Akira was cool, but there wasn't that much to understand about it, anyways. "OMG, he's using psionics. Sooo deep!"
Adrez Nesnsid
03-14-07, 04:36 PM Second, and more importantly, is the prevalence of video game RPGs. That's pretty self-explanatory.

Viedeogame RPGs aren't real RPGs.
Silverthumb128
03-14-07, 07:22 PM Viedeogame RPGs aren't real RPGs.

Final Fantasy's no more of an RPG than Super Mario Brothers was. Think about it: You're given a character, and you're on a quest. You assume the character's role, but have no real choice how the character acts/feels.
ragoftag
03-14-07, 09:22 PM posted while flying in WoW: I mentioned this to a Nip guildie, and he said his brother runs their D&D on 'microcomputers', apparently Blackberry or the equivalent. Must be some neat software out there. The guildie ships out the books back as they come out and plays on the internet. All read English well, but speak poorly. I was impressed, until...no babes! Very chauvinistic! Gotta go, raid starts in 2.
Archangel_James
03-14-07, 11:27 PM Viedeogame RPGs aren't real RPGs.
You're half right. Video game RPGs are not RPGs as we, D&D players, know them. However, there is a genre of video game called "RPG," which includes Final Fantasy. Another example: Tetris isn't a "puzzle" in any sense of the word, yet it still falls in a group called "puzzle" video games.
J.Augustus Rose II
03-15-07, 03:36 AM Sorry, but that is utter shash. Just cos someone doesn't like something does not meant they didn't understand it, and it is more than a little arrogant to suggest otherwise.

Agreed. And I'm also in agreement with Silverthumb128 in saying that there's little to understand about it. It might be pretty for its time but it's far from a great film.
Adrez Nesnsid
03-15-07, 12:20 PM Final Fantasy's no more of an RPG than Super Mario Brothers was. Think about it: You're given a character, and you're on a quest. You assume the character's role, but have no real choice how the character acts/feels.

Thank you.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
AllisterH 03-11-07, 12:21 AM	Hi, I'm interested in any links that talk about D&D in Japan. One of the reasons why is that on another forum on this board, a poster was decrying how "anime" D&D was becoming. Paraphrasing, it was too "Final Fantasy". The ironic thing is that the original Final Fantasy used the original D&D classes. As well, things like Record of Lodoss wars are straight D&D derivatives. The problem is, not many people seem to know how much of an influence D&D has had on Japan (how much does the Final Fantasy and the Dragon Quest series make every time they are released?) So I'm looking for articles that talk about this. If not, any comments would be great for this thread.
Lady Morn 03-11-07, 12:35 PM	I remember reading an article (if I can find the link I'll post it) a year or two ago, written by an American gamer doing his college study-abroad in Japan. One of the key points he made was that pen-and-paper gaming was extremely rare and not very popular in Japan. First, space is a premium in Japan. Most families live in apartments that would be viewed as cramped by Western standards. So, finding a space large enough to accommodate a game presents a challenge. Something as basic as five people and a table probably consumes 3/4 of the apartment. :eek: Second, and more importantly, is the prevalence of video game RPGs. That's pretty self-explanatory. Personally, I don't see D&D having a direct influence. More likely what is happening is D&D's influence on American video games, which have influenced American pop culture, which has gone on to influence Japanese pop culture. :detect:
simex 03-12-07, 11:26 AM	Yeah, this is something I've been wondering about myself. Record of Lodoss war , a fantasy anime from the late 80s (i think), is clearly modeled after a D&D campaign. You've even got a pretty standard D&D party. Elf Ranger, Dwarf Fighter, Paladin, Thief (rogue), Cleric, and a Wizard. There's no way it's coincidental. But have any D&D books ever been translated and sold overseas?
Escef 03-12-07, 11:37 AM	Yeah, this is something I've been wondering about myself. Record of Lodoss war , a fantasy anime from the late 80s (i think), is clearly modeled after a D&D campaign. You've even got a pretty standard D&D party. Elf Ranger, Dwarf Fighter, Paladin, Thief (rogue), Cleric, and a Wizard. There's no way it's coincidental. But have any D&D books ever been translated and sold overseas? No, it's better than that. The Elf is more akin to pre-AD&D elves (when elf in and of itself was a class). I recall reading an interview with one of the writers responsible for RoLW, and they did indeed talk D&D to the man, who was familiar with the 1e bard, but not the 2e. For those interested, it was in an old issue of Animerica magazine. I don't know which issue, and I no longer have a copy as I gave or threw away all of mine some time ago. Heck, I don't even know if the magazine still exists. EDIT: It does.
Zumarai 03-12-07, 12:06 PM	Supposedly they already have 7th edition in Japan. …Of course it's smaller, faster and cheaper.
_Jayne_Cobb_ 03-12-07, 12:14 PM	IIRC Lodoss was based on the D&D game of those who made it. They approached TSR with the idea of making a D&D setting based on Lodoss. TSR declined (another win for Lorraine Williams :rolleyes:) and so the Lodoss guys made their own RPG which went on to sell like a bazillion copies.
Sikyanakotik 03-12-07, 04:45 PM	Supposedly they already have 7th edition in Japan. …Of course it's smaller, faster and cheaper. So that's where BESM came from! ;)
Halaku 03-12-07, 04:50 PM	So that's where BESM came from! ;) gaaah... do not mention that system, its broken even more easily then Exalted.. >.<
Escef 03-12-07, 04:51 PM	So that's where BESM came from! ;) I have a copy of first edition BESM. The rules are even more vague than first edition Vampire the Masquerade.
Fabius Maximus 03-12-07, 05:04 PM	IIRC Lodoss was based on the D&D game of those who made it. They approached TSR with the idea of making a D&D setting based on Lodoss. TSR declined (another win for Lorraine Williams :rolleyes:) and so the Lodoss guys made their own RPG which went on to sell like a bazillion copies. Not that I wouldn't complain that TSR declinded. Record of Lodoss War is one bad anime.
AllisterH 03-12-07, 05:07 PM	IIRC Lodoss was based on the D&D game of those who made it. They approached TSR with the idea of making a D&D setting based on Lodoss. TSR declined (another win for Lorraine Williams :rolleyes:) and so the Lodoss guys made their own RPG which went on to sell like a bazillion copies. I heard about this too but at the time, I thought the company was still owned by Gygax (this was the mid 80s) when RoLW came out. The influence D&D has on computer RPGs could also be an article by itself. I mean, D&D is/was derided for its HP inflation method compared to other table top RPGs but pretty much EVERY videogame RPG be it console or computer tend to favour the HP inflation method.
Escef 03-12-07, 05:08 PM	Not that I wouldn't complain that TSR declinded. Record of Lodoss War is one bad anime. You realize that you're in the minority, right? 'Course, I've also seen people that thought Akira was crap. And my older bro was hooked by Legend of Black Heaven (Kacho O-ji).
Tzjanii 03-12-07, 08:48 PM	Akira always weirded me out a bit to much for me to like it... (in the movie version at least) The story seemed choppy and basically the second half as I remember it was kind of gross. Though a friend of mine devours the manga like they were made of chocolate, so maybe I just aren't into it enough.
revaar 03-12-07, 11:36 PM	gaaah... do not mention that system, its broken even more easily then Exalted.. >.< what's broken a bout a 12 point (aka normal human) character being able to one -shot a planet?
JoAT 03-13-07, 03:25 AM	gaaah... do not mention that system, its broken even more easily then Exalted.. >.< That depends on which edition/game you have, of course - with the cap rules (interesting how levels have been appearing in so many point based games over the past few years), dX introduced, things get less brokered. Of course, with the death of GoO, it doesn't matter so much...
Dreamstryder 03-13-07, 07:40 AM	I believe White Wolf releases BESM 3e now... Anyway, Final Fantasy (FF) does indeed come from D&D to an extent. In the first FF game, magic is handled very close if not identically to Vancian casting, and there are a number of monsters (warthog-headed catoblepases, mindflayers, re-styled "beholders") in the FF games up to 5 at least that were D&D exclusives. I would venture to say some mechanics in newer D&D supplements derive some influence from Japanese RP video games in turn: the 3.5e DR system came out about the same time as the Sword of Mana video game, which uses the same type of system. This proves people are thinking along the same game-strategy-mechanic lines. In the Magic Item Compedium, take a look at those augment crystals (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ps/20070209a) (which, by the way, are awesome)! Anyway, all those dungeon-fight monsters RPGs and D&D are the same kind of game, right? Expect the same or similar audiences. Both could conceivable cross on routes to make their games more mechanically interesting. Video games do it every new game; D&D does it with new supplements. Another thing people who cry of too much Japanese pop culture in their D&D are concerned with, I'm guessing, is merely players who prefer to dally in the shadows of their muses... and the DMs' muses differ from their players': "No! No oversized weapons in my world! No! Nnno nnnninjas!" This isn't really an anime problem... I've seen some pics of D&D books in Japanese on the web, to answer that question, and have personally seen a D&D article in a Japanese magazine (might have been Dragon Fantasy Comics magazine).
Fabius Maximus 03-13-07, 09:34 AM	You realize that you're in the minority, right? 'Course, I've also seen people that thought Akira was crap. And my older bro was hooked by Legend of Black Heaven (Kacho O-ji). People hating Akira did obviously not understand the movie. (Though I admit that it's kinda hard to get.) RoLW is a cliché story with cliché characters. It's boring.
enlightened 03-13-07, 07:46 PM	I'm a seven year veteran of the role playing game scene in Japan, and let me tell you, it is dead. The average person has never even heard of the existance of RPGs that don't involve a computer. I have tried to explain it to people over the years, but nobody seems to really get it. Even my girlfriend, who has been playing for about two years now, still claims to not understand the concept when we are talking about the game to other people (although she plays fine). I live in Fukuoka, a city of 1.3 million people, and I can count the number of places that sell pen and paper role playing game books here on one hand. That's not much. Hobby Japan is the company that translates all the D20 books into Japanese (so far they have translated more than 20 of them), so they are Japan's window into D&D. Googling them would be the first place to start if you looking for info on D&D in Japan.
Silverthumb128 03-13-07, 08:13 PM	That guy who posts here, angryguy, he's from Japan, IIRC.
AllisterH 03-13-07, 08:41 PM	I had a feeling that paper RPGs were disappearing from Japan. Do they still even publish those play by play replays of campaigns in the japanese DRAGON magazine (Japan DRAGON isn't the same as American DRAGON. Just share the name). Hell, its not even japan. I mean, what percentage of WoW players do you think have ever played a table top RPG? 5% or am I thinking that's too high?
SkyOdin 03-14-07, 01:48 AM	Well, I know that the original creator of the Yu-Gi-Oh! manga is a huge fan of pen and paper RPGs (in addition to Magic the Gathering and random board games). After all, the last story arc of the first part of the manga involves the main characters getting trapped in the worst D&D game ever played (they get their souls trapped in lead minatures by an evil DM who knows how to cheat on d% rolls).
Zumarai 03-14-07, 07:45 AM	People hating Akira did obviously not understand the movie. Not true, maybe they understood it, but thought it was overrated carp anyway. I personally thought it was mildly amusing.
runestar 03-14-07, 07:56 AM	Interesting. Cosplay and dnd seem like they might go hand in hand...:P
cog_n_taz 03-14-07, 08:24 AM	That guy who posts here, angryguy, he's from Japan, IIRC. So am I, and enlightened is right. D&D is not dead here, it never really existed. On the other hand, the kids I have introduced it to (12~13 on average) love it. 'course, roleplaying is something only one of 'em got to, but they all loved it before I could even afford a PHB in japanese between us. Considering this, I fail to see how it doesn't sell in japan. It helps that the people who I play it are rather unusual, but I blame lack of effort and marketing.
Escef 03-14-07, 09:00 AM	Interesting. Cosplay and dnd seem like they might go hand in hand...:P No, that would be cosplay and LARPing. Don't go dragging me into that weird varient on Halloween just 'cause I play D&D.
Zumarai 03-14-07, 09:06 AM	No, that would be cosplay and LARPing. Don't go dragging me into that weird variant on Halloween just 'cause I play D&D. Like it centurion, like it.
Daiben 03-14-07, 10:47 AM	tabletop gaming in general, let along D&D, is extremely rare in Japan. It's partially a cultural issue but more to do with the lack of private space within homes. Bedrooms are too narrow for large groups, lack appropriate furnitute and are often shared between siblings. Playing in the living room of most houses would technically be possible but would be very intrusive for the parents in Japanese culture. Collectable card games are, or at least used to be, extremely popular over here. Japanese kids love collecting things and the games themselves require little room to actually play. There were a few similar ones to MTG 4-6 years ago but the more recent fads are basically just collecting rather than gaming.
_Jayne_Cobb_ 03-14-07, 11:22 AM	People hating Akira did obviously not understand the movie. Sorry, but that is utter shash. Just cos someone doesn't like something does not meant they didn't understand it, and it is more than a little arrogant to suggest otherwise.
Zumarai 03-14-07, 11:30 AM	Sorry, but that is utter shash. Just cos someone doesn't like something does not meant they didn't understand it, and it is more than a little arrogant to suggest otherwise. Totally.
AllisterH 03-14-07, 02:07 PM	That's kind of weird that D&D has had less success relative in japan than N.America given that it wouldn't be wrong to say that console RPGs are to the japanese videgame market what the FPS is the N.american market. How does a country that pretty much loves its console RPGs NOT be a bigger fan of the source material? I guess I underestimated the space issue since you don't really think about how much space a typical night at your friends takes up when you game.
Silverthumb128 03-14-07, 03:03 PM	Sorry, but that is utter shash. Just cos someone doesn't like something does not meant they didn't understand it, and it is more than a little arrogant to suggest otherwise. Quoted for emphatic truth. Akira was cool, but there wasn't that much to understand about it, anyways. "OMG, he's using psionics. Sooo deep!"
Adrez Nesnsid 03-14-07, 04:36 PM	Second, and more importantly, is the prevalence of video game RPGs. That's pretty self-explanatory. Viedeogame RPGs aren't real RPGs.
Silverthumb128 03-14-07, 07:22 PM	Viedeogame RPGs aren't real RPGs. Final Fantasy's no more of an RPG than Super Mario Brothers was. Think about it: You're given a character, and you're on a quest. You assume the character's role, but have no real choice how the character acts/feels.
ragoftag 03-14-07, 09:22 PM	posted while flying in WoW: I mentioned this to a Nip guildie, and he said his brother runs their D&D on 'microcomputers', apparently Blackberry or the equivalent. Must be some neat software out there. The guildie ships out the books back as they come out and plays on the internet. All read English well, but speak poorly. I was impressed, until...no babes! Very chauvinistic! Gotta go, raid starts in 2.
Archangel_James 03-14-07, 11:27 PM	Viedeogame RPGs aren't real RPGs. You're half right. Video game RPGs are not RPGs as we, D&D players, know them. However, there is a genre of video game called "RPG," which includes Final Fantasy. Another example: Tetris isn't a "puzzle" in any sense of the word, yet it still falls in a group called "puzzle" video games.
J.Augustus Rose II 03-15-07, 03:36 AM	Sorry, but that is utter shash. Just cos someone doesn't like something does not meant they didn't understand it, and it is more than a little arrogant to suggest otherwise. Agreed. And I'm also in agreement with Silverthumb128 in saying that there's little to understand about it. It might be pretty for its time but it's far from a great film.
Adrez Nesnsid 03-15-07, 12:20 PM	Final Fantasy's no more of an RPG than Super Mario Brothers was. Think about it: You're given a character, and you're on a quest. You assume the character's role, but have no real choice how the character acts/feels. Thank you.