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| KAGE10-06-05, 09:57 PM | I thought this move was very very good for what it was, really stuck to D&D which I liked. Although the effects were only OK at best, it blew the doors of the first D&D movie. The only thing that disappointed me was a fire breathing black dragon. The black dragon was super kool, and even looks like a D&D black dragon. Until it open its mouth and beathed a fire ball. when they first find the dragon its sleep and breathing green poison out of its noise. which could be believalbe because of its green acid breath. But then it had fire ball breath weapon? that was just stupid. I think the reason they did this was because of special effects. how easy is it to make a little fire ball compared to things melting from acid? There are so many good D&D stories, I don't think they need to make any up just for a movie. They could do dragonlance, or something from forgoten realms, and if it were done with the good special effects, it would blow the doors off of the lord of the rings. unfortunatly lord of the rings is the grandfather of D&D and dragonlance is not as well known. But if people just gave it a chance. lord of the rings was such a poorly written book (good for its time) compared to Dragonlance and a lot of other D&D stories. so 4 outa 5 stars from me for this movie. It would have got 5 if the dragon had the proper breath weapon |
| Jagyr Ebonwood10-06-05, 10:34 PM | Where did you find this movie? Maybe the dragon took an Energy Substituion feat for his breath? :D Or maybe the DM wanted to throw the players for a loop. |
| Darth_Azalin10-07-05, 03:59 AM | Where did you find this movie? Maybe the dragon took an Energy Substituion feat for his breath? :D Or maybe the DM wanted to throw the players for a loop. Well search the net for it if you want also look for it under its original title (D&D : The Elemental Might). I have tried to watch my verison a couple of times but keep getting interrupted and have to pause... But nothing is worst than watching a movie on tv (non-pay) because commericals just blow. About the Black Dragon breath - I know in 2.0 if you had the draconomicon book you could make any dragon "color" have any breath type. For 3.5 rulings lets see what could of happen Using the Metabreath spell (4th sorc/wiz Trans) Breath Weapon Substitution Using the Metabreath spell (8th sorc/wiz Trans) Breath Weapon Admixture (this is a real party killer not only does the wyrm red dragon uses its breath weapon at 22d10 pts of fire damage but it could use this spell to produce a cone dealing 22d10 of fire and 22d10 of acid. (you can exchange any fire, cold, electricity. or acid - and even do fire and cold types of energy.) But I believe the ultimate Metabreath spell is (8th sorc/wiz Necro) Enervating Breath... Not only does it do its damage it then bestows 2d4 negative levels... If you even save the breath weapon damage and you take half you could end up losing 8 lvls (you lose hps for those) you could die. And for the negative levels there is no save, the only save you get is too save against the breath weapon. So as you can see with the above examples your Acid breathing Blackie could do other types of elemental. |
| Upper_Krust10-07-05, 06:03 AM | Hey there! :) I agree that having the fiery breath on the dragon was a bit disappointing. Personally I would have prefered to see the dragons breath energy drain the people in the city (given who the dragon god was), turning them to the undead. This way the city guards would have to divide their attention between both an external (the dragon) and internal (the undead) threats. |
| Vengeblade10-07-05, 07:21 AM | First off, yes it did seem a bit off, but this was a dragon diety that was in the movie, Falazure, the night dragon. As a diety it only resembles a black dragon, so yes, logically, it should breath acid. However, since no real stats or anything other than a small paragraph aboutit and it's worshippers was written on it, it was really up to the director to decide what it did. All in all I though it was a good movie that stuck to what D&D was/is/will ever be and is definatley worth looking into. |
| Netstorm10-07-05, 07:59 AM | Where do I find the movie trailer? Its not out yet in Europe :( |
| Darth_Azalin10-07-05, 09:15 AM | Hey there! :) I agree that having the fiery breath on the dragon was a bit disappointing. Personally I would have prefered to see the dragons breath energy drain the people in the city (given who the dragon god was), turning them to the undead. This way the city guards would have to divide their attention between both an external (the dragon) and internal (the undead) threats. Well the energy drain that I listed above isn't a permanent one... you do get the levels back over time. |
| Upper_Krust10-07-05, 11:49 AM | Hey Vengeblade! :) First off, yes it did seem a bit off, but this was a dragon diety that was in the movie, Falazure, the night dragon. As a diety it only resembles a black dragon, so yes, logically, it should breath acid. However, since no real stats or anything other than a small paragraph aboutit and it's worshippers was written on it, it was really up to the director to decide what it did. All in all I though it was a good movie that stuck to what D&D was/is/will ever be and is definatley worth looking into. Faluzure is the draconic deity of death and decay. Monster Mythology (from 2nd Ed. AD&D) states that he (or at least his avatar) is a shadow dragon with an energy drain breath weapon. Note also that the dragon at the end of the movie was also a dracolich, as well as being a black dragon. Though obviously this does nothing to change its breath weapon. |
| Darth_Azalin10-07-05, 12:54 PM | You said Dracolich... Can you be 100% positive that it was in fact a Dracolich.... How about a Skeletal Dragon - Black (page 192 of Draconomicon) |
| Upper_Krust10-07-05, 02:02 PM | Hey Darth_Azalin! :) You said Dracolich... Can you be 100% positive that it was in fact a Dracolich.... How about a Skeletal Dragon - Black (page 192 of Draconomicon) ...well it was sentient wasn't it, it talked, it was obviously intelligent, ergo it must have been a dracolich. Added to which I am sure I read somewhere in one of the press releases that it was indeed a dracolich. |
| KAGE10-07-05, 03:41 PM | Hey Vengeblade! :) Faluzure is the draconic deity of death and decay. Monster Mythology (from 2nd Ed. AD&D) states that he (or at least his avatar) is a shadow dragon with an energy drain breath weapon. Note also that the dragon at the end of the movie was also a dracolich, as well as being a black dragon. Though obviously this does nothing to change its breath weapon. I don't think thats true, they said it was a collossal black dragon, and it was sleeping or hibernating or what ever. never once did they say that it was undead or a darcolich. I think they would have said if it was. and black dragons look all bony on the outside as it is. |
| mrshupizdumaterinu10-07-05, 04:01 PM | unfortunatly lord of the rings is the grandfather of D&D and dragonlance is not as well known. But if people just gave it a chance. lord of the rings was such a poorly written book (good for its time) compared to Dragonlance and a lot of other D&D stories. Awwwwww. how sweet. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kitsch http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pulp http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=literature |
| Aeolus9110-07-05, 04:43 PM | Awwwwww. how sweet. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kitsch http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pulp http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=literature What is it that you are trying to say? That Lord of the Rings is better than Dragonlance? Personally, I enjoy the Dragonlance books way more. Tolkien has a way of rambling ON and ON about things that are inconsequential to the storyline that gets really annoying. In other words, Lord of the Rings doesn't get to the good stuff fast enough. |
| Bud Green10-07-05, 04:48 PM | That's probably because Dragonlance is pulp fantasy written at a middle-school reading level to satisfy the literary desires of middle-school children. LotR is, in fact, infinitely better than Dragonlance. To argue otherwise is to flaunt your own ignorance. |
| Acheron10-07-05, 04:55 PM | What is it that you are trying to say? That Lord of the Rings is better than Dragonlance? Personally, I enjoy the Dragonlance books way more. Tolkien has a way of rambling ON and ON about things that are inconsequential to the storyline that gets really annoying. In other words, Lord of the Rings doesn't get to the good stuff fast enough. Exactly, I could not have said it better myself :). The couple of Dragon Lance books that I've read put LOTR to shame. The have a faster plot, and the authors don't spend pages and pages about the way some one walked down the stairs, for example. There, I finally answered a thread on the DnD general board!! :w00t: :cheer: :cheer: :w00t: |
| Acheron10-07-05, 04:57 PM | That's probably because Dragonlance is pulp fantasy written at a middle-school reading level to satisfy the literary desires of middle-school children. LotR is, in fact, infinitely better than Dragonlance. To argue otherwise is to flaunt your own ignorance. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING?? btw- He posted like 2 seconds before me... |
| Bud Green10-07-05, 05:05 PM | Exactly, I could not have said it better myself :). The couple of Dragon Lance books that I've read put LOTR to shame. The have a faster plot, and the authors don't spend pages and pages about the way some one walked down the stairs, for example. There, I finally answered a thread on the DnD general board!! :w00t: :cheer: :cheer: :w00t: You may find this surprising, but the measure of good literature is not whether or not the story moves at breakneck speed. Spending less time on exposition and focusing almost entirely on superficial plot elements is actually one of the staples of pulp writing. You are welcome to your opinion. If somebody tells me they believe a McDonalds hamburger is better than a well-cooked steak, I would say the same. |
| Bud Green10-07-05, 05:06 PM | [QUOTE=Acheron]WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING?? Irrelevant to the topic at hand. |
| Acheron10-07-05, 05:13 PM | [QUOTE=Acheron]WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING?? [/QOUTE=Acheron] Irrelevant to the topic at hand. umm... yeah it is. Dragon Lance is way better than LOTR, so my question still stands: WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING?? |
| Bud Green10-07-05, 05:17 PM | I'm guessing that even Mr. Hickman and Ms. Weiss would disagree with your assessment of their work. I'm assuming you are referring to the Hickman/Weiss material. Or are you suggesting that simply having the Dragonlance imprint on the cover makes the work superior to LotR, regardless of author? If you don't mind me asking, what fantasy works have you read? EDIT: And before I draw too much venom from the indigenous species, I will add that I have read the Dragonlance chronicles and several other DL works over the years. And I enjoyed them, for what they were. Which is pulp fantasy. |
| Beware of Kobold10-07-05, 05:37 PM | I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that these people who find Dragonlance superior to Lord of the Rings, also believe that Harry Potter is superior to anything by Dickens. amirite? |
| Acheron10-07-05, 06:02 PM | I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that these people who find Dragonlance superior to Lord of the Rings, also believe that Harry Potter is superior to anything by Dickens. amirite? I get allll the "classic" authors confused with each other here, so remind me what Dickens wrote. sry Bud Green: I've read a couple of DL, HP, LOTR, Orsen's books, The Bartimaeous (sp???) Trilogy (now that may be Sci-fi or not, not usre), The Edge Chronicles, the Keys to The kingdom series by Garth Nix, The Seventh Tower series, Dragon Rider, Ink Heart, The Theif Lord, and alot of other books that I can't remember right now. |
| Aeolus9110-07-05, 06:06 PM | Actually, I find Harry Potter kind of boring also. It's not... Mature enough. As in, it doesn't deal with problems that are realistic in the world, such as war. Instead, it's "Voldemort's coming back!" "Wow, send out a bunch of teenagers, they can stop him!" Also, I don't judge literature by the speed at which it goes. What I meant to say is that Tolkien's work is, for the most part, boring. I just found that it wasn't stimulating enough to make me really care about the characters. For example, after reading seventy-eight pages about Aragorn's choice of sword pommel decoration, I'm too bored to give a damn about the fate of Middle-Earth. EDIT: Eey Acheron! Personally, I prefer beef for my smoking needs. |
| Darkuwa10-07-05, 06:20 PM | K, just watched the first movie again, got a question. How the heck is Damadar still alive? He fell or Profions tower after being scewered. Also, wouldn't he want revenge on Ridley and Snails (second question: Was snail ressed at the end of the first movie or what?) whats with the 5 new heros? Also this first movie was monotheic but theres a cleric in the new one, what god does she worship? Ps: Dragonlance > LOTR |
| Acheron10-07-05, 06:21 PM | EDIT: Eey Acheron! Personally, I prefer beef for my smoking needs. I hear ya, I like medium rare personally... Back on subject! I also must agree with Aeolus, Tolkiens work is just too slow. Half-way through FOTR, Middle Earth layed down and died for me and I didn't even notice. I only just noticed the smell and all the flies :D . All the so called "classical" writers had one problem: They all had no sense of humor what so ever. They thought being funny was against the law, laughing was a sin, and God forbid, smiling. No one smiled. JRR Tolkein must have been a sad, sad little man |
| Acheron10-07-05, 06:23 PM | Ps: Dragonlance > LOTR I hear you loud and clear :cloud9: |
| Darkuwa10-07-05, 06:28 PM | You have to realize, that is Tolkien did what he did now NOONE would publish him. He just sat down and started writing, because he was told to do a sequal to the Hobbit (Hobbit> all 3 LOTR books) and he just wrote, he had no clue what he was going to do next, and thats very visible in the first 2 books. Also, the magic sucks in LOTR, Gandalf cast like 3 spells with any real power. 1 to snap sarumans staff one to blind the fellbeasts(Palin did this after being a mage for less then 5 years) and I cant even think of a third on. |
| Roreck10-07-05, 06:45 PM | K, just watched the first movie again, got a question. How the heck is Damadar still alive? He fell or Profions tower after being scewered. Also, wouldn't he want revenge on Ridley and Snails (second question: Was snail ressed at the end of the first movie or what?) whats with the 5 new heros? Also this first movie was monotheic but theres a cleric in the new one, what god does she worship? I fealt bad no one was answering you so here I go. This second movie takes place 100 years later so some such number of rediculusness. The cleric in this movie is male and he worships Ob Hai (sp?). The characters of the first movie are dead, so now Damadar wants revenge on the nation they were from. Damadar survived because he was cursed and turned into an undead and gained a few levels or sorcerer (or less likely but still possible Wizard). Snails was never resurected and the fact that the last movie ends at his grave gives good indication that he never was (thankfully). Damadar is the only character that is in both movies. The nation is supposed to be the same but it looks quite different. As for the whole JRR thing I hated reading LotR novels they were terrible. I can't believe I managed to read the first two books and half the thirid one (somehow sauron dies half way through but the book keeps going). Once Sauron died I was like F*** this and stopped reading. Oh and if you want really good literature pick up the Shakespeare. Better stories better way of telling stories and the humor is great (even in the tradegies it is great). Of course Shakespeare really isn't fantasy but I have yet to read a fantasy novel that can capture my interest for long. |
| Bud Green10-07-05, 06:51 PM | You have to realize, that is Tolkien did what he did now NOONE would publish him... Didn't realize you were an editor. For WotC no doubt. :D |
| Darkuwa10-07-05, 06:57 PM | Watch the bonus disks on the LOTR extended editions about Tolkien, they say theres no way he would be published. |
| Ned the Normal10-07-05, 07:06 PM | unfortunatly lord of the rings is the grandfather of D&D and dragonlance is not as well known. But if people just gave it a chance. lord of the rings was such a poorly written book (good for its time) compared to Dragonlance and a lot of other D&D stories. Hmm... contrary to popular belief, Lord of the Rings was not a very large influence on the creation of Dungeons and Dragons. If you don’t believe me, ask Gary Gygax: http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/538/538817p3.html (About halfway down) |
| Darkuwa10-07-05, 07:11 PM | If it was the basis things would be spelled elfin and elfish. Cause Tolkien couldn't be a part of the greater community that came up with fantasy because they used polythiest ideals, and thats satanic and evil, thats why theres only one god in the LOTR universe and hes the same as the christian god. |
| Acheron10-07-05, 07:17 PM | Hmm... contrary to popular belief, Lord of the Rings was not a very large influence on the creation of Dungeons and Dragons. Agreed What can you think of that's in LOTR and DND?: 1. Dwarves 2. Elves 3. Elven capes 4. orcs 5. Goblins 6. Mithril 7. Daylight 8. Undead 9. Vorpal weapons (in every movie, some body part gets hacked off by Aragon or some else :D ) 10. Balors (technically Balrogs, but I feel alittle sry for them) 10. 10, that's all. 10 amazing things. DnD didn't get alot of stuff from LOTR. |
| Bud Green10-07-05, 07:41 PM | Magic rings? |
| ReverendCow10-07-05, 08:52 PM | So, where can a trailer be found? I've been looking, and for the life of me, I can't find it. |
| Aeolus9110-07-05, 09:45 PM | Speaking of vorpal weapons, does anyone know if the vorpal weapon enhancement was so named as a tribute to the excellent Jabberwocky? |
| Darth_Azalin10-07-05, 10:41 PM | Anything good stands the test of time wouldnt you say? The best of the best bards works are timeless so lets get to the list not really in any order of importance. 1. Shakespeare (1564-1616) 2. JRR Tolkien - (1892-1973) The Lord of the Rings rapidly came to public notice. It had mixed reviews, ranging from the ecstatic (W. H. Auden, C. S. Lewis) to the damning (E. Wilson, E. Muir, P. Toynbee) and just about everything in between. The BBC put on a drastically condensed radio adaptation in 12 episodes on the Third Programme. In 1956 radio was still a dominant medium in Britain, and the Third Programme was the "intellectual" channel. So far from losing money, sales so exceeded the break-even point as to make Tolkien regret that he had not taken early retirement. However, this was still based only upon hardback sales. The really amazing moment was when The Lord of the Rings went into a pirated paperback version in 1965. Firstly, this put the book into the impulse-buying category; and secondly, the publicity generated by the copyright dispute alerted millions of American readers to the existence of something outside their previous experience, but which appeared to speak to their condition. By 1968 The Lord of the Rings had almost become the Bible of the "Alternative Society". So to say that it wouldn't of been published today is well very false. Despite all the fuss over The Lord of the Rings, between 1925 and his death Tolkien did write and publish a number of other articles, including a range of scholarly essays. The Hobbit (1937) and The Lord of the Rings (1954-1955) Most of the above information can be found at http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ 3. Charles Dickens (1812-1870) 4. H.G Wells, (1866-1946) 5. Alfred Hitchcock (1899-1980) 6. C.S. Lewis (1888-1963) 7. J.K. Rowling (1965- ) you don't sell that many books (at least that many hardcovers and are excluded from the bard list) 8. Ernest Hemingway (1899-1961) 9. Robert Frost (1874-1963) Ok mainly a poet but still worth while on having on the list 10. Laura Ingalls Wilder (1867-1957) you might question why this person is on my list but remember that her books are in 40 languages and the 8 book series was completed in 1943. So most of the above have some sort of background that you can take into any of your D&D games. For the ones that are left off my list (examples Stephen King, Danielle Steele, and like those all I have to say is that I'm sorry but the list had to end somewhere and to the fact that I don't believe if I put your works in any of the above lifetimes it would of had success). |
| psudodevil10-07-05, 10:57 PM | Just a comment for those who think that LotR was too slow paced. Try reading the Wheel of Time series. (by Robert Jordan) By the time you finish all of the books you will be thinking that the Lord of the Rings is way too fast for you! I have enjoyed reading many Dragonlance books (not R.A. Salvatore, his innability to move away from the rulebooks in his novels makes me sick) and found them to be quite enjoyable reads, but I would in no ways compare them to LotR. |
| rkr197010-07-05, 11:01 PM | I have no problem accepting people not caring for Tolkien's work. I love his stuff but still won't read the whole war of five armies from The Hobbit because it drags. As far as treating the Dragonlance novels as Earth-shaking literature? Sorry! They're good, but they actually fall short due to their lack of broad appeal. Loved by gamers with attention span problems, the rest of us found them rather cute. Now, if you want awsome fantasy writing on an epic scale, and written at a pace that draws you forward, try Terry Brooks, Raymond E. Feist, or (my personal favorite) David Eddings. Both Brooks & Feist offer up unique worlds full of dark enemies and mystical portence. But Eddings offers all of this up with a dose of humor that these others combined don't approach. In the Belgariad series & the Mallorian series, he offers us characters like Silk, a spy, merchant, and master thief who doesn't steal because he needs the money, he steals because it's the easiest way to keep score. In the Elenium trilogy & Tamuli trilogy, you have a group of church knights who have that constant banter common to soldiers who never know if today will be their last. Little things, like discovering how Sir Ulath chooses whose turn it is to cook dinner, can become a laugh riot. You want a good read? Check out these books. Paraphrased from The Ruby Knight by David Eddings... Queen: Before I can pardon you of all past crimes, I will need to know exactly what crimes you have commited. Thieves' Guild leader: Pretty much everything, except having carnal relations with an animal. Queen: Oh, well that's good. I do so worry about the virtue of our nation's young sheep, you know. |
| Redneck Hero10-07-05, 11:08 PM | So to say that it wouldn't of been published today is well very false. Despite all the fuss over The Lord of the Rings, between 1925 and his death Tolkien did write and publish a number of other articles, including a range of scholarly essays. Yep, and it was one of those essays which saved the great epic Beowulf from almost total obscurity (before it was believed that because Beowulf dealt with such absurd things as "monsters" it was unworthy of scholarly consideration). |
| BlaineTog10-07-05, 11:56 PM | I am willing to admit that some people might find the Dragonlance books more entertaining that Lord of the Rings. But better literature? As in, better art? No. LotR will be around for many, many more years. I might even go so far as to say it will persist in the literature community for as long as there is a literature community. The Dragonlance books, on the other hand, will not, because the pulp writers of the future will whip up new books full of heroism, derring-do, and big explosions to replace them. @ Darth_Azalin: It's far, far, far too early to tell about Ms. Rowling's work. @ the original topic: The movie isn't going straight to DVD, is it? |
| Darth_Azalin10-08-05, 12:19 AM | BlaineTog @ Darth_Azalin: It's far, far, far too early to tell about Ms. Rowling's work. Well my list of Bard state can there work do the following. 1. Stand the test of time 2. Have there works in any other timeframe would it stand up On her account 1. To early 2. Yes I believe so, basically its a childrens book with the characters having to deal with modern day issues (set in modern London), personal trials (bullies, sexual tension, puberty, and the like) And having your works published in the tens of millions (and thats just hardcover) states a lot why she is on my list. Secondly I treat her Potter books much like C.S. Lewis' Narnia books. So with all of that said yes I believe she has a spot on the best of bards list. @ the original topic: The movie isn't going straight to DVD, is it? Actually it will be on sci-fi saturday the 8th at 8 pm cst and 12:30 am cst on sunday the 9th. Then able to be purchased on Nov 8th, 2005 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000B7QCG8/102-9424132-8892901?v=glance&n=130&s=dvd&v=glance |
| mrshupizdumaterinu10-08-05, 02:33 AM | I get allll the "classic" authors confused with each other here, so remind me what Dickens wrote. sry Bud Green: I've read a couple of DL, HP, LOTR, Orsen's books, The Bartimaeous (sp???) Trilogy (now that may be Sci-fi or not, not usre), The Edge Chronicles, the Keys to The kingdom series by Garth Nix, The Seventh Tower series, Dragon Rider, Ink Heart, The Theif Lord, and alot of other books that I can't remember right now. You see, one day, when you're an adult and have some life experience, and you read more quallity literature, you'll learn a great deal of new things, among them, how ignorant and stupid you sounded now. |
| Darth_Azalin10-08-05, 08:25 AM | If for one you haven't read any Charles Dickens I would have to say that for one you aren't even in High School yet.. Because you read A Tale of Two Cities and Great Expectations for sure in High School Then theres always the classics A Christmas Carol Oliver Twist So if you couldn't tell me at least one of those 4 titles.. you would need to stop playing those Video Games, watching tv, and just plain old nonsense and get some culture. |
| Aeolus9110-08-05, 09:00 AM | You see, one day, when you're an adult and have some life experience, and you read more quallity literature, you'll learn a great deal of new things, among them, how ignorant and stupid you sounded now. I warned him... He's a friend of mine, you know. I realize that his list of books didn't sound very *scholarly* but why do you have to bash kids so badly? Is it like anyone who can't legally get himself so drunk as to be a danger to those around him is inferior? Guess what. I'm 14 years old. Same as Acheron here. I live... what? Like 5 minutes from him? I see this dude every day, and he's quite a bit more intelligent than the majority of adults I have met. Especially college students. They're, put simply, morons. Further, have you noted the grammatical correctness of my posts? Half of the "Superior Adults" on these boards can barely spell. Go back through my posts on this thread and find a single spelling or capitalization error. I dare you. A quote from Tasslehoff Burrfoot seems very appropriate here: "Being tall doesn't make you right, and it sure doesn't make you smart" |
| mrshupizdumaterinu10-08-05, 12:10 PM | Iwhy do you have to bash kids so badly? http://www.sfdebris.com/gallery/repressed.jpg |
| Tom Kalbfus110-08-05, 12:23 PM | The Lord of the Rings Movie Trilogy is the "Gold Standard" for fantasy movie making. Certainly many of the techniques used in those movies can be applied to a D&D movie. Ideally they might try stretching it out to 3 hours from 90 minutes. I see many plot elements in the Dragonlance chronicals and the original modules that are similar to the Lord of the Rings in many respects. |
| Aeolus9110-08-05, 12:49 PM | http://www.sfdebris.com/gallery/repressed.jpg Hehe... I love Monty Python. |
| Darth_Azalin10-08-05, 01:29 PM | The Lord of the Rings Movie Trilogy is the "Gold Standard" for fantasy movie making. Certainly many of the techniques used in those movies can be applied to a D&D movie. Ideally they might try stretching it out to 3 hours from 90 minutes. I see many plot elements in the Dragonlance chronicals and the original modules that are similar to the Lord of the Rings in many respects. I wouldn't say gold standard for fantasy movie making... But I would say Epic (3 hours) Some movies that came before that are standard fantasy movies No order 1. Legend (Yeah Tom Cruise) 2. Conan (any of them) 3. Dragonslayer 4. Barbarians 5. Labyrinth 6. Dark Crystal 7. Wizard of Oz 8. Dragonheart 9. Excalibur 10. Willow There was some really bad ones but in a sense they had more DND in it then the above list Maze and Monsters (Tom Hanks!!!) |
| Bud Green10-08-05, 01:43 PM | Why wouldn't you say gold standard? Have you seen the behind-the-scenes stuff? There was an extraordinary amount of work and care lavished on virtually every element of the production - from armor and weapons to digital to costume to sets... Every filmmaking element that could be positively incorporated by Jackson he incorporated. Rarely has a filmmaker had the luxury of taking so much time and effort to see his creative vision come to fruition - in any movie genre. LotR was a gold standard for moviemaking in general, let alone fantasy movies. |
| Nevynxxx10-08-05, 02:44 PM | because they used polythiest ideals, and thats satanic and evil, thats why theres only one god in the LOTR universe and hes the same as the christian god. That is so wrong it is not funny... There are multiple Gods that were involved in the creation of Middle Earth, one created the dwarves, and woke them earlier than the others agreed for example. You do know Gandalf is not Human, and is effictivly a Demi-God don't you? Same goes for all the Mages, Sauron and the Balrogs. Just because the Gods don't feature in lotr, doesn't mean they don't exist. Just becasuse Tolkien took a more British (Noth Western even) view of pronunciation etc doesn't mean he wasn't influenced by the others of his time and before that created what lotr was based on. On topic, not seen the film yet, but I hope the acting /plot was better than the first. I've seen th first twice, with different people, all of whom play dnd, they all said "that was the worst waste of two hours of my life" or similar. |
| BlaineTog10-08-05, 03:57 PM | 2. Yes I believe so, basically its a childrens book with the characters having to deal with modern day issues (set in modern London), personal trials (bullies, sexual tension, puberty, and the like)Point? Lots of stuff deals with this sort of thing. Most of it isn't good. And having your works published in the tens of millions (and thats just hardcover) states a lot why she is on my list.I understand this. However, that only means she's a fad. Selling millions of copies doesn't mean you've written timeless, great literature. It doesn't preclude this either, of course. Popularity has nothing to do with whether it's great art or not. So with all of that said yes I believe she has a spot on the best of bards list.And I simply believe that we can't know just now. As such, there are a number of other authors that I would put on the list who definatelly deserve the spot, rather than just "maybe." For example, Dante. Actually it will be on sci-fi saturday the 8th at 8 pm cst and 12:30 am cst on sunday the 9th.Ah. What time EST? |
| Darth_Azalin10-08-05, 03:58 PM | Why wouldn't you say gold standard? Have you seen the behind-the-scenes stuff? There was an extraordinary amount of work and care lavished on virtually every element of the production - from armor and weapons to digital to costume to sets... Every filmmaking element that could be positively incorporated by Jackson he incorporated. Rarely has a filmmaker had the luxury of taking so much time and effort to see his creative vision come to fruition - in any movie genre. LotR was a gold standard for moviemaking in general, let alone fantasy movies. Don't you think he took the time because he actually before basically given him a great epic. He was a major failure in the movie industry and basically did nothing really (Story - Tolkien and Screenplay - was done by him and 3 others) *Who knows what he really did to make the screenplay* Remember before calling Peter Jackson a great moviemaker you have to remember him as Peter "Meet the Feebles" Jackson. I will have to wait too see King Kong to see how he butchered or did some credit too another gold standard film. |
| Darth_Azalin10-08-05, 04:04 PM | Point? Lots of stuff deals with this sort of thing. Most of it isn't good. I understand this. However, that only means she's a fad. I comparied her too C.S. Lewis and at the time Narnia was the same thing that Potter is today, would you agree? Selling millions of copies doesn't mean you've written timeless, great literature. It doesn't preclude this either, of course. Popularity has nothing to do with whether it's great art or not. Right but it being #1 hardcover first #2 Children book #3 sheer number of published copies with those 3 things said it is a major accomplishment. And I simply believe that we can't know just now. As such, there are a number of other authors that I would put on the list who definatelly deserve the spot, rather than just "maybe." For example, Dante. You know who really should be on that list Poe!!!! I can't believe I actually forgot him... Ah. What time EST? 9pm for the first viewing and on sunday 1:30 am for the second.. How did I do on the movies? |
| Redneck Hero10-08-05, 04:04 PM | Remember before calling Peter Jackson a great moviemaker you have to remember him as Peter "Meet the Feebles" Jackson. I don't know, Heavenly Creatures is a great film in its own right. |
| Darth_Azalin10-08-05, 04:09 PM | I don't know, Heavenly Creatures is a great film in its own right. Need some answers to questions... 1. are you female? 2. do you like the sexual friction between 2 girls that are obessed with being with each other all the time? spoiler here Based on the true story of Juliet Hulme and Pauline Parker, two close friends who share a love of fantasy and literature, who conspire to kill Pauline's mother when she tries to end the girls' intense and obsessive relationship. This movie isn't for me and well isn't as bad has feebles. |
| Acheron10-08-05, 06:28 PM | Cmon, gimme a break here. I'm only 14 here, in 8th grade and what do you most of you guys do: Butcher me to death because I haven't read any of the books that you guys consider to be "good" literature. I think DL is a good series. That's MY opinion. Why do you insist that everyone read everything that you, and only you, like and nothing else? And who says that all I do every single day of the 14 years I've been alive is sit in front of a computer? What gives you that idea? I just spent the past 8 hours outside, hiking. Like out of the house. BTW, I don't even own a freakin' PS2 or any other game suystem for that matter. You have no right to call me lazy. Hey Bud Green, what ever you were smoking earlier, you must have stopped smoking it or found something better, because you're makin' a heck of alot of sense now :D . Ok, I'm done ranting now ;) |
| rkr197010-08-05, 08:02 PM | I have to say that at 14, even I, who love Tolkien's work found it hard to digest. But that doesn't mean that I'll let you off the hook. :devil: Here's a reading list for the too-young-to-drive gamer... Sci-Fi: Get out there and find a few books written by Robert A. Heinline. He wrote GREAT Sci-fi aimed primarily at people right around your age. For a good laugh, you should also grab some of Spider Robinson's Callahan books. Douglas Adam's Hitchhikers trilogy (all 5.1 books of it) are even funnier still! Fantasy: Hit the used book store or Amazon and start collecting the Thieve's World books. They're edited by Robert Asprin and Lynn Abbey, but written by literally dozens of authors. If one story doesn't do it for you, the next probably will. They're short, well thought out, and the stories all interact with one another, yet still stand on their own. Asprin's other books (Myth Adventures series or Phule series) are also well within your reading level and they're funnier than George W. being the proctor at a spelling bee. And don't forget to check out Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. Cross-genre books: Anne McCaffrey's whole Pern series is a great fantasy/sci-fi comination that anyone who loves Dragonlance should look for. These dragons aren't D&D standard, but they make life a heck of a lot more interesting for their riders! If you appreciate puns, Piers Anthony's Xanth novels are worth several reads (so are many other books of his, but this series will expand your vocabulary) The only other cross-genre books I can think of at the moment that are aimed at a younger reader would be Lewis Carrol's Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass. These books (don't watch the movies, they're aimed at kids) have a lot of stuff that can be used in-game. If you don't believe me, go to the D&D downloads section's old edition downloads and check out modules EX1 & EX2. The white rabbit in these books is actually a 20th level mage! Dont worry about reading great liturature yet. At 14, most of it should be too deep, too dry, or too symbolic for you (The Chronicles of Narnia, a great read even at 14, is filled with biblical sybolism that will probably be lost on you, even if C.S.Lewis did try to write it for young people). I still can't say I'm a big fan of the Silmarillion (fighting yawn), but it does make Middle-Earth all the more real. But that doen't mean that you're not ready to read great books written by some of the best in their field. Of course, after these guys, you'll probably hold Dragonlance in a lower spot than "great", as you should. After all, Margaret Weis & Tracy Hickman are responsible for the Deathgate Cycle, which makes Dragonlance look like a bedtime story! |
| Bud Green10-08-05, 08:31 PM | Don't you think he took the time because he actually before basically given him a great epic. He was a major failure in the movie industry and basically did nothing really (Story - Tolkien and Screenplay - was done by him and 3 others) *Who knows what he really did to make the screenplay* Remember before calling Peter Jackson a great moviemaker you have to remember him as Peter "Meet the Feebles" Jackson. I will have to wait too see King Kong to see how he butchered or did some credit too another gold standard film. Um, the point I was making was about LotR, not Peter Jackson. You quite missed it apparently. I have not heard anything about King Kong, nor do I need to see any of his future projects to know that LotR was superior moviemaking. And not solely because of Jackson, which I never implied. Because of virtually every element of the production. And calling Jackson a failure is a little harsh. Many directors never get the opportunity to helm a project by Jackson's age. He still has a long career in front of him. He was a young director when he made LotR. A failure? Hardly. Frankly it sounds to me like your talking out of your @ss about things you really know little about. Directors, for instance, do not typically write the story OR the screenplay. There are exceptions of course, but screenwriting is not directing, or vice-versa. To say that Jackson did basically nothing on LotR is complete fallacy. He DIRECTED it. And damn well, in my estimation. |
| Bud Green10-08-05, 08:35 PM | Cmon, gimme a break here. I'm only 14 here, in 8th grade and what do you most of you guys do: Butcher me to death because I haven't read any of the books that you guys consider to be "good" literature. I think DL is a good series. That's MY opinion. Why do you insist that everyone read everything that you, and only you, like and nothing else? And who says that all I do every single day of the 14 years I've been alive is sit in front of a computer? What gives you that idea? I just spent the past 8 hours outside, hiking. Like out of the house. BTW, I don't even own a freakin' PS2 or any other game suystem for that matter. You have no right to call me lazy. Hey Bud Green, what ever you were smoking earlier, you must have stopped smoking it or found something better, because you're makin' a heck of alot of sense now :D . Ok, I'm done ranting now ;) Acheron, you certainly have a right to your opinion. But there is a difference between saying you like DL better than LotR and saying that it absolutely is better. FWIW, had there of been DL books when I was 14, I would probably have liked them better then too. Sorry if I criticized too harshly. |
| rkr197010-08-05, 08:45 PM | Peter Jackson is far from a failure. How many directors in the history of creation can say their first studio project grossed over 8 billion dollars in world-wide sales between the box office and video? One! Peter Jackson. How many directors have EVER had any single project gross that much? One! Peter Jackson. Other than Star Wars, no other movie franchise has earned that much (yet, Harry Potter looks to be on track for being the 3rd). :coolcthul And if you want to know other movies the man has made that break records, check out Dead Alive. More gore than any other film in history! (That's not just opinon, he literally used more blood on set than anyone, ever!) True, it's possibly the grossest film of all time, but it's worth watching if you like funny horror movies. :yuck: |
| Acheron10-08-05, 08:51 PM | Acheron, you certainly have a right to your opinion. But there is a difference between saying you like DL better than LotR and saying that it absolutely is better. FWIW, had there of been DL books when I was 14, I would probably have liked them better then too. Sorry if I criticized too harshly. Ok, ok, I admit that I went a little over the edge there, sry. |
| Acheron10-08-05, 08:52 PM | Acheron, you certainly have a right to your opinion. But there is a difference between saying you like DL better than LotR and saying that it absolutely is better. FWIW, had there of been DL books when I was 14, I would probably have liked them better then too. Sorry if I criticized too harshly. Ok, ok, I admit that I went a little over the edge there, sry. THE MOVIE PREMEIRS IN 7 MINUTES!! |
| LordofNightmares10-08-05, 08:58 PM | Okay now that we have agrued about everything sourcing D&D, can someone give me a link to where I can find the trailor for the Movie spoken of in the first post?! |
| Enendill10-08-05, 09:03 PM | JRR Tolkein must have been a sad, sad little man Hey man,show little respect. If it hadn't been for this man, we wouldn't be quoting about fantasy matters. There would be no fantasy, at least as we now it today. So, pllllleaaaaaaaassssseeee!!!!! |
| Sturm Jaeger10-08-05, 09:46 PM | So far I am enjoying this movie. It is indeed light years better than the original movie. Heh, I like the bickering between Rogue and Barbarian. Oooo, is that a Magma Mephit? |
| D&D_Madness 500010-08-05, 09:51 PM | So far I am enjoying this movie. It is indeed light years better than the original movie. Heh, I like the bickering between Rogue and Barbarian. Oooo, is that a Magma Mephit? Yes, good thing for commercial break! I doubt it's a fire mephit though. Mephits are like midgit imps with wings. The barbarian almost decapitated the rogue...Oooh, the rogue set those 2 poor guys on fire. :D |
| Darkuwa10-08-05, 09:52 PM | Didnt the dudes wife say noone could cast divine spells anymore? yet the have a cleric clearly casting spells. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 09:58 PM | If for one you haven't read any Charles Dickens I would have to say that for one you aren't even in High School yet.. Because you read A Tale of Two Cities and Great Expectations for sure in High School Then theres always the classics A Christmas Carol Oliver Twist So if you couldn't tell me at least one of those 4 titles.. you would need to stop playing those Video Games, watching tv, and just plain old nonsense and get some culture. Well not neccesarily, it all depends on what the teacher wants to teach. In my old school anyways they didn't have to teach ceartin literture. Although I my teachers did thank the lord, and just because we take place in these vidoe games and what not dosen't mean we can't read as well. |
| Darth_Azalin10-08-05, 09:59 PM | I have not heard anything about King Kong, nor do I need to see any of his future projects to know that LotR was superior moviemaking. And not solely because of Jackson, which I never implied. Because of virtually every element of the production. And calling Jackson a failure is a little harsh. Many directors never get the opportunity to helm a project by Jackson's age. He still has a long career in front of him. He was a young director when he made LotR. A failure? Hardly. Frankly it sounds to me like your talking out of your @ss about things you really know little about. Directors, for instance, do not typically write the story OR the screenplay. There are exceptions of course, but screenwriting is not directing, or vice-versa. To say that Jackson did basically nothing on LotR is complete fallacy. He DIRECTED it. And damn well, in my estimation. Peter Jackson (1961-) actually born on Halloween First LoTR movie (2001) And he did this in LoTR:Fellowship of the Ring Directed Screenplay (with 2 others) Played/Acted -- Albert Dreary in the movie Producer LoTR:The Two Towers Directed Screenplay (with 3 others) Played/Acted -- Rohirrim Warrior Producer LoTR:The Return of the King Directed Screenplay (with 2 others) Played/Acted -- Mercenary On Boat Producer Thats what he did.. and when I said we don't really know what he did to get such credits(screenplay and others) was an actual knock on Dave Arneson... If you need the background on that let me know... |
| Sturm Jaeger10-08-05, 10:05 PM | Awesome, a lich! Not how i expected one to look, but I guess it's between then the cliched appearance. |
| D&D_Madness 500010-08-05, 10:08 PM | Another commercial break. :D That was so wierd just now... The cleric was disintegrated, right? 15 seconds later, he's slaughtering hordes of specters. :confused: Damn, that's an annoying lich, distintegrating peeps (supposedly) summoning spectres, and blowing up trees :uh-huh: |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 10:11 PM | Did the rogue just pluck a coin out of the eye socket of the skull the lich blasted him in front of right while in the heat of battle? Hee Hee, I'm actually enjoying this film! |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 10:19 PM | Poor dude got eaten by the dragon what an idiot. |
| D&D_Madness 500010-08-05, 10:21 PM | Yeah I was about to say that... But still, swallow whole wouldn't KILL the cleric once the wyrm exploded, would've just released him. BTW, I don't get how is it that colossal great white wyrms are so pathetic... Or was it gargantuan? :confused: ALSO, how does a lvl 8-10 (somewhere in between there) CLERIC have the wall of fire spell? Only arcane casters use it. And besides, the guy shouldn't cast a blinding spell or something on the wyrm, THEN run and NOT get killed... |
| Sturm Jaeger10-08-05, 10:22 PM | Aw, they let the cleric die! Rookie mistake! |
| Darkuwa10-08-05, 10:23 PM | I think it was the red gem he got from the skull, I guess he thinks its a gem of true seeing. Like the Rogues inability to say hes even with somone. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 10:23 PM | Yeah I was about to say that... But still, swallow whole wouldn't KILL the cleric once the wyrm exploded, would've just released him. BTW, I don't get how is it that colossal great white wyrms are so pathetic... Or was it gargantuan? :confused: Yeah what level are these guys where they cower in fear from a lich but the dragon is no problem, must be one strong ass lich. It is funny how we are watching this movie from the gamers prespective and picking at it. lol |
| Darkuwa10-08-05, 10:25 PM | Well the mage is atleast 9 level if she can cast teleport. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 10:26 PM | Well the mage is atleast 9 level if she can cast teleport. But the lich must be pretty high because he can cast Disenegrate. If he can do that why is he answering to someone? |
| rkr197010-08-05, 10:27 PM | Thats what he did.. and when I said we don't really know what he did to get such credits(screenplay and others) was an actual knock on Dave Arneson... If you need the background on that let me know... Are you refering to the reason that includes Jeff Perrin mysteriously not being credited for having anything to do with the original Chainmail or D&D? :confused: |
| Taylir10-08-05, 10:27 PM | Well I find it enjoyable that there was some script input by someone somewhat familiar with the game. Purple Worm stomach acid, mentioning of the Ghost Tower of Inverness and the Barrier Peaks. Probably lots more easter eggs I have missed since I am watching it at work, but recording it at home at least. :) |
| Sturm Jaeger10-08-05, 10:28 PM | But the lich must be pretty high because he can cast Disenegrate. If he can do that why is he answering to someone? Because Damodar is the main baddie. The orb is like an artifact or something. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 10:29 PM | Because Damodar is the main baddie. The orb is like an artifact or something. Makes since. I missed the first 30 minutes I guess i will catch it again at 1:30. |
| Leonidus10-08-05, 10:29 PM | So... The chick mage has mummy rot? Yeah I was about to say that... But still, swallow whole wouldn't KILL the cleric once the wyrm exploded, would've just released him. BTW, I don't get how is it that colossal great white wyrms are so pathetic... Or was it gargantuan? :confused: Just Huge, I think. (And that neck was way too long, whites have stubby necks. Not as much as the blues, but that guy was too spindly. Ooh! Air elemental! |
| Darth_Azalin10-08-05, 10:31 PM | ALSO, how does a lvl 8-10 (somewhere in between there) CLERIC have the wall of fire spell? Only arcane casters use it. And besides, the guy shouldn't cast a blinding spell or something on the wyrm, THEN run and NOT get killed... Wall of Fire is also a Druid 5 spell... And if you are a cleric of let say Obad-Hai or another Fire Domain Cleric follower You get wall of fire at 4th.. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 10:31 PM | So... The chick mage has mummy rot? Just Huge, I think. (And that neck was way too long, whites have stubby necks. Not as much as the blues, but that guy was too spindly. Ooh! Air elemental! Yeah I think she does, its a small ass air elemental. :) I guess it is an gem of true seeing. |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 10:32 PM | I think that lich is conning Damodore. I think the cleric failed his will save against the dagon's fear affect. It is a gem of true seeing! |
| Darth_Azalin10-08-05, 10:32 PM | Are you refering to the reason that includes Jeff Perrin mysteriously not being credited for having anything to do with the original Chainmail or D&D? :confused: Actually suing TSR and Gary about 4 times for his "work" |
| th3j4ckle10-08-05, 10:33 PM | Ok being that I am old fart playing this game since err what late 70's early 80s. DId anyone catch when he said that one of the characters helped in in "Tower of Inverness". THis is module C2 Ghost Tower of Inverness from 1st edition set of modules. Also wasnt there an artifiact orb that allowed for certain very powerfull types of dragon control in the 1st edition DM's guide. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 10:33 PM | Why didn't the Wizard cast fireball when they were all togther, she must not have it. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 10:35 PM | Barbarian was raging! Lol its funny to see pick out things like this, I wonder what non-gamers think. |
| Taylir10-08-05, 10:35 PM | Ring of the Ram :) |
| Darth_Azalin10-08-05, 10:36 PM | Ok being that I am old fart playing this game since err what late 70's early 80s. DId anyone catch when he said that one of the characters helped in in "Tower of Inverness". THis is module C2 Ghost Tower of Inverness from 1st edition set of modules. Also wasnt there an artifiact orb that allowed for certain very powerfull types of dragon control in the 1st edition DM's guide. In the 1.0 there were Orbs of Dragonkind (llike 8 of them since there was only 8 ages of dragons) In the 2.0 (Book of Artifacts) the Orbs of Dragonkind (went to 12 I believe to show the age of dragon difference between the editions) |
| primemover00310-08-05, 10:36 PM | Man I can't wait to see this at 1:30!!!!! |
| D&D_Madness 500010-08-05, 10:37 PM | Yeah what level are these guys where they cower in fear from a lich but the dragon is no problem, must be one strong ass lich. It is funny how we are watching this movie from the gamers prespective and picking at it. lol Yes, sure. :D but still... WTH!? This movie is fantastic, but... how does a GREAT WHITE WYRM get killed by a lightning spell!? :heehee: Shouldn't great wyrms be like... UNSTOPPABLE for lvl 10's. Edit: OMG, OMG, OMG! WTHWTHWTH!!!??? DId that wizard just cast 15 spells in under 3 minutes. I thought there were less than 10 spells per day, considering the fact that such a powerful spell should be... uh... 3rd level spell! LOL |
| Sturm Jaeger10-08-05, 10:37 PM | Ring of the Ram :) So much for long hours of study to determine the ring's use. :) |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 10:37 PM | The wizard used a ring of the ram! |
| th3j4ckle10-08-05, 10:37 PM | Good eye on the Gem!! Also back on the C2 Ghost Tower of Inverness look here http://www.acaeum.com/DDIndexes/ModPages/C2.html |
| Darkuwa10-08-05, 10:38 PM | Actually he called it the ghost tower aswell, so yah, i think thats what they were reffering too. I think they coulda done something with the barb not being able to read at the tomb thingy. |
| TheCarrionCrawler10-08-05, 10:38 PM | See? Wizards+Sci-fi= something good. Years from now, it'll be "There was a Dungeons and Dragons movie BEFORE Wrath of the Dragon God?" |
| Sturm Jaeger10-08-05, 10:39 PM | I loved the Rogue finding the secret door and disarming the trap. Well, bypassing it, at least. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 10:39 PM | Yes, sure. :D but still... WTH!? This movie is fantastic, but... how does a GREAT WHITE WYRM get killed by a lightning spell!? :heehee: Shouldn't great wyrms be like... UNSTOPPABLE for lvl 10's. Edit: OMG, OMG, OMG! WTHWTHWTH!!!??? DId that wizard just cast 15 spells in under 3 minutes. I thought there were less than 10 spells per day, considering the fact that such a powerful spell should be... uh... 3rd level spell! LOL Well they should have been slautered. Maybe they are like level 20 or something and the Lich has tons of class levels? |
| D&D_Madness 500010-08-05, 10:39 PM | So... The chick mage has mummy rot? Just Huge, I think. (And that neck was way too long, whites have stubby necks. Not as much as the blues, but that guy was too spindly. Ooh! Air elemental! HUGE!? That dragon was at least as large as a purple worm, which is gargantuan. And yes, I think the chick with the weird arm has mummy- Ooh! Air Elemental! |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 10:40 PM | Actually he called it the ghost tower aswell, so yah, i think thats what they were reffering too. I think they coulda done something with the barb not being able to read at the tomb thingy. Yeah, but I think they thought the rage was good enough. :rolleyes: |
| Darkuwa10-08-05, 10:41 PM | Ew Naked Old Man In A Tub!!!! |
| D&D_Madness 500010-08-05, 10:41 PM | Well they should have been slautered. Maybe they are like level 20 or something and the Lich has tons of class levels? Umm... let me think...... no. They cna't be lvl 20! LVL 20 CLERICS don't fail fear saves. LOLOLOL |
| th3j4ckle10-08-05, 10:41 PM | irc to efnet and join the #dndmovie room. Everyone is invited |
| Malruhn10-08-05, 10:42 PM | Bud, I have to put my vote with you. The DL books were written for seventh-graders (US scale of grades)... LotR was written for college level readers. And don't forget that TSR was sued mightily by the JRRT estates for copywrite infringement. After that, MANY names changed. Originally, the Balor WAS called a Balrog... and there were halflings... the original game was a total LotR ripoff. A GOOD ripoff - but a ripoff nonetheless. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 10:42 PM | WTF ate him? |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 10:42 PM | HOLY CR that was some sam raimi stuff right there! |
| Marchen10-08-05, 10:43 PM | The undead wizard girl? (I've been 1/2 paying attention...) |
| Sturm Jaeger10-08-05, 10:43 PM | Darkmantles! |
| Marchen10-08-05, 10:43 PM | Omgz Darkmantle! |
| Marchen10-08-05, 10:45 PM | Did that mage just lost XP when her familiar bit the dust? |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 10:45 PM | Come on peeps join the irc. |
| Taylir10-08-05, 10:45 PM | Fig. of Wonderous Power |
| Darkuwa10-08-05, 10:45 PM | antimagic field |
| Sturm Jaeger10-08-05, 10:45 PM | Was that a Figurine of Wonderous Power? |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 10:47 PM | And the rogue just started laughing when it died!!!! |
| Sturm Jaeger10-08-05, 10:48 PM | Okay, that trap room was inventive. I gotta use the mirror thing in an adventure sometime. |
| th3j4ckle10-08-05, 10:51 PM | What an idgit. No respective mage would have done that with her familiar! |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 10:51 PM | The Climax! |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 10:52 PM | Okay, that trap room was inventive. I gotta use the mirror thing in an adventure sometime. Yep |
| Sturm Jaeger10-08-05, 10:54 PM | Ow, poor mage. I wondered why she screamed. It wasn't obvious at first that her arm materialized in the wall. |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 10:54 PM | The poor elf babe got her arm fused within a wall! Maybe she can get it grown back. |
| D&D_Madness 500010-08-05, 10:55 PM | Come on peeps join the irc. Sry to disappoint you... But no one cares... We like the WotC boards just fine! *steals Berrek's sword from movie and deals 3 critical hits on soulman within 30 seconds, killing him* :) Ya, those darkmantles ROCK! BTW, what happened to the guy at the palace? I think it was a choker who dragged him under the table. Remeber? When all the blood spilled? Then again, it may be a Bodak or Morgh. Not Kodak, kodaks only deal 1d4 subdual damage, with their CAMERA's! :heehee: |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 10:57 PM | He made a full atack with his +5 keen sword obviously... |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 10:57 PM | Sry to disappoint you... But no one cares... We like the WotC boards just fine! *steals Berrek's sword from movie and deals 3 critical hits on soulman within 30 seconds, killing him* :) Riiight ;) YOU SOB WITH YOUR WEIGHTED DICE. :p |
| D&D_Madness 500010-08-05, 10:59 PM | Riiight ;) YOU SOB WITH YOUR WEIGHTED DICE. :p Huh? Whatever? Hey, shouldn't you be playing with the abyssal demons in the underworld now that I killed you? Or should you be playing with gay angels? :dancin: |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 10:59 PM | Huh? Whatever? Hey, shouldn't you be playing with the abyssal demons in the underworld now that I killed you? Or should you be playing with gay angels? :dance: lol, is that a regeneration spell or just a cure spell? |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 11:00 PM | Was that a Lizardfolk? Sweet! |
| Marchen10-08-05, 11:01 PM | Isn't it great that the supposed nature-loving clerics of Obad-Hai have a brick and stone temple? |
| th3j4ckle10-08-05, 11:02 PM | Heals dont revive limbs. BTW so far my vote goes to the thief being the best character! Nim rocks! |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:03 PM | Heals dont revive limbs. BTW so far my vote goes to the thief being the best character! Nim rocks! I agree, NIM IS MY HERO! |
| Darkuwa10-08-05, 11:03 PM | NO THE BOOTYLISCIOUS BARB IS DEAD!!!! she was too hot to die. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:04 PM | NO THE BOOTYLISCIOUS BARB IS DEAD!!!! she was too hot to die. Yeah, she is sweet. |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 11:06 PM | Do the heroes actually win in this movie? :eek: |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:06 PM | lol the lich looks like an idiot. |
| Darkuwa10-08-05, 11:06 PM | heh damadar thinks hes getting a reward, but those who hold dragon orbs are enemy to all dragon kind. |
| th3j4ckle10-08-05, 11:07 PM | Does look like one of the orbs of dragon kind. Also the lich is gonna kick ass. Still not remembering what the flying things are though... |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:07 PM | Do the heroes actually win in this movie? :eek: Maybe its a tpk? |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:07 PM | Is the dragon undead? Why so many holes in it? |
| Darkuwa10-08-05, 11:08 PM | undead dragon god |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:08 PM | undead dragon god Ah, coolness. :P |
| Firimar Elerrino10-08-05, 11:09 PM | It's the dragon god of death and decay. Makes sense for him to be..necrotic. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:10 PM | Why not make him red if they wanted to use fire? |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 11:11 PM | I hope those clerics have been doing their healing duties, I want to see more of the rogue! |
| Firimar Elerrino10-08-05, 11:11 PM | They used a name of the actual dragon deity of death and decay from the ECS, I believe. But he should have the same breath weapon that he had when he slept. |
| th3j4ckle10-08-05, 11:11 PM | He is in there as a dragon good, cant remember his name though. |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 11:12 PM | Actually the dragon said he would raize Ishmiir. So maybe he's a' fireballing it. |
| D&D_Madness 500010-08-05, 11:13 PM | lol remember early in the movie? HE breaths poison gas from his ugly nose. NOW, he breathes fire from his ugly mouth... True, it's an undead, godly, hole-filled, chaotic evil,al-powerful, Night Dragon. Who is a black dragon.He's also probably paragon, considering he's so powerful... |
| Firimar Elerrino10-08-05, 11:14 PM | Falazure, so says my ECS. I think that's the name they gave earlier. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:14 PM | I wonder what his CR is. |
| Sturm Jaeger10-08-05, 11:15 PM | Falazure, the dragon god of decay. He's mentioned in the Draconomicon. |
| th3j4ckle10-08-05, 11:15 PM | Ok I had to say that one!! hehe... I am casting magic missle (Into the darkness!) |
| D&D_Madness 500010-08-05, 11:16 PM | I wonder what his CR is. Ok, paragon/evil/undead/wyrm/colossal/murderous/black... *goes to ask damage bonus for level 200's* :D |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:16 PM | EWWWW she is fugly! |
| Firimar Elerrino10-08-05, 11:17 PM | The archmage needs to incinerate her. |
| Taylir10-08-05, 11:18 PM | Damn hope she popped a TicTac before that kiss. |
| Rocketboy1310-08-05, 11:18 PM | He is in there as a dragon good, cant remember his name though. The only Dragon God I can see that fits this one in discription is Falazure. A Black Dragon god of Decay. As for the fire breath, he is a god so he can bend some of those rules. Does anyone else find Obad-Hai a weird god to make so core. He is a neutral diety of nature. Wouldn't Pelor the god that hates undead be more on the nose? |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 11:19 PM | Two orbs are better than one. |
| Firimar Elerrino10-08-05, 11:19 PM | I was thinking through the whole thing that Obad-hai was a queer choice. |
| th3j4ckle10-08-05, 11:19 PM | I mean they're killin off all the female characters. The girls dont die in my campaign .... err well maybe one did but damn she was dumb. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:19 PM | How the heck does she know all this stuff that the arch mages don't know? |
| th3j4ckle10-08-05, 11:20 PM | Quick anyone? I know it... |
| Darkuwa10-08-05, 11:20 PM | she was studying combing divine and arcane magic. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:20 PM | The only Dragon God I can see that fits this one in discription is Falazure. A Black Dragon god of Decay. As for the fire breath, he is a god so he can bend some of those rules. Does anyone else find Obad-Hai a weird god to make so core. He is a neutral diety of nature. Wouldn't Pelor the god that hates undead be more on the nose? I agree, they should have used Pelor. |
| Darkuwa10-08-05, 11:21 PM | wtf the barb is back? |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:21 PM | Barbarian Girl Kicks Ass! |
| Darkuwa10-08-05, 11:22 PM | who's hottest, human mage(Health version), barbarian or elf mage? |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:22 PM | She needs to lay off the rages. |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 11:22 PM | The Lich did get the last laugh! |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:23 PM | who's hottest, human mage(Health version), barbarian or elf mage? BARB! |
| th3j4ckle10-08-05, 11:23 PM | They always run out on you... Hell that is how they wanted to become a lich in the first place. MU escaping running from death yah know. |
| Rocketboy1310-08-05, 11:24 PM | BARB! I prefer women who can't beat me to death with a tree trunk. |
| Firimar Elerrino10-08-05, 11:25 PM | Oh my, they are drowning the dragon. |
| th3j4ckle10-08-05, 11:25 PM | What did he mean by "You are not your brother!" |
| Taylir10-08-05, 11:25 PM | Bah, 1st rule of DnD was violated. "If the head is not mounted on your wall, it will come back to haunt you." :) |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:26 PM | What did he mean by "You are not your brother!" Maybe its Krusk? |
| Seanamal10-08-05, 11:26 PM | Is the barbarian chick supposed to be a half elf or a half orc?1 |
| Rocketboy1310-08-05, 11:26 PM | What did he mean by "You are not your brother!" A little bit of back story, the fighter killed her brother in the past. |
| Firimar Elerrino10-08-05, 11:27 PM | What did he mean by "You are not your brother!" Her brother lost it in a rage and killed an innocent guy..or something. And the fighter had to kill him. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:27 PM | WTF he is in a prison cell isn't he like a really powerful mage? |
| Darkuwa10-08-05, 11:27 PM | for raging out of control. So they just leave damadar in a prison cell? hes a fricken mage he can get out. |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 11:27 PM | Earlier in the movie the fighter guy revealed that he had to kill the barb's brother cause he went berserk. She was on the mission to reclaim her family honor. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:27 PM | for raging out of control. So they just leave damadar in a prison cell? hes a fricken mage he can get out. The adventures got their gold they don't care. :p |
| th3j4ckle10-08-05, 11:29 PM | Yes there are big cities that have them. And can you say "Sequel!" |
| Firimar Elerrino10-08-05, 11:29 PM | They can somehow merge FR with Greyhawk (the movie's setting) and have his cell be in an antimagic field from the time of troubles. |
| D&D_Madness 500010-08-05, 11:29 PM | The adventures got their gold they don't care. :p :heehee: I'll rate this move 9.5! Whether you ppl like it or not! out of 10, I mean... Not 100... |
| Rocketboy1310-08-05, 11:29 PM | WTF he is in a prison cell isn't he like a really powerful mage? Without a spell book, unless he has spell mastery, he's screwed. |
| Realmsrat10-08-05, 11:29 PM | Did you see that little tiny smirk he had before the credits came up. I think he was playing with his manacles. He'll be back, and if the next movie is just as good as this I'll watch it too. |
| Seanamal10-08-05, 11:30 PM | Also I think the lich is weraing a cloak of the gargoyle. |
| D&D_Madness 500010-08-05, 11:30 PM | They can somehow merge FR with Greyhawk (the movie's setting) and have his cell be in an antimagic field from the time of troubles. And how exactly do you know Greyhawk is the movie's setting? |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:30 PM | I really enjoyed it a lot more than the first one I give it 4 out of 5 stars. |
| Sturm Jaeger10-08-05, 11:30 PM | Wait, was that the cleric at the end, walking up to the elf chick and Nim? Is he alive again? |
| Rotipher10-08-05, 11:30 PM | for raging out of control. So they just leave damadar in a prison cell? hes a fricken mage he can get out. Damodar wasn't a mage in the first film IIRC, he was the evil wizard's warrior henchman. His magic came from the Orb, not from being a spellcaster. |
| Soulman199010-08-05, 11:31 PM | Did you see that little tiny smirk he had before the credits came up. I think he was playing with his manacles. He'll be back, and if the next movie is just as good as this I'll watch it too. I smell a sequel. |
| Ridureyu10-08-05, 11:31 PM | The barbarian would be fun to hang around, but as somebody here said, I'd rather date a girl who wouldn't beat me to death with a tree trunk. Likewise, I wouldn't date a girl who's known for A: setting fire to the library (TWICE), and B: leprosy. Magic girl it is! |
| th3j4ckle10-08-05, 11:31 PM | God I love Tivo. Now there is magic! Going to break it down and see what else i can find game related. I though the tie in to C2 module was cool. Have to dig that one up. |
| D&D_Madness 500010-08-05, 11:31 PM | Wait, was that the cleric at the end, walking up to the elf chick and Nim? Is he alive again? Again? Those 2 were always alive! They were just dropped to -5 hp or something. Just like that one guy at my old party who went to -9, but was healed in a split second before he died. |
| Darkuwa10-08-05, 11:31 PM | Without a spell book, unless he has spell mastery, he's screwed. uhm, you keep spells until you reread your spellbook. So whatever he memorized before capture he has until he uses them. |
| Firimar Elerrino10-08-05, 11:32 PM | And how exactly do you know Greyhawk is the movie's setting? The deity Obad-hai is from the core books -- which are Greyhawk. |
| Darkuwa10-08-05, 11:33 PM | and which parts are faerun? |
| D&D_Madness 500010-08-05, 11:34 PM | The deity Obad-hai is from the core books -- which are Greyhawk. uh... no. The core books aren't Greyhawk. Greyhawk is a campaign setting. Obad-hai, Pelor, etc. are all deities for mini-campaigns that need pre-made deities. :) Edit: wtf? The thread grew 7 pages, in 2 hours! OMG! lol |
| Taylir10-08-05, 11:35 PM | Perhaps this will reignite an interest in the DnD TV series that was floating around a couple of years ago. SciFi did wonders for Battlestar Galactica, even though they are an NBC/Universal company. :) |
| Majorafire7710-08-05, 11:36 PM | Yeah, this movie was a lot better than the first one, though I think it would've been better if they made it more like a normal fantasy movie than a "D&D movie" (yes I know that's what it is, but still). Being a player, I could deal witht the fact that they mentioned the names of the spells, how wizards prepare them, and other stuff like that, but if I was someone who hadn't played and I watched that movie I'd be like "wtf?" Other than that, I enjoyed the movie a lot. EDIT: Yeah, and that barbarian chick was really hot. |
| Rotipher10-08-05, 11:40 PM | Does anyone else find Obad-Hai a weird god to make so core. He is a neutral diety of nature. Wouldn't Pelor the god that hates undead be more on the nose? The previous film had set a precedent for the standard game-deities (like Pelor) and religions being kept firmly off-camera in this setting, to head off any possible "This film promotes paganism!" backlash from a mainstream theatrical audience. Since the writers chose to stick with Ismear as the location for the sequal, I guess they figured Obad-Hai was a logical deity to include this time: his clerics weren't seen in the first film because they live waaaaay out in the backwoods, and he's a logical deity for the naturalistic ancient culture that left all those magic books and so forth (with elemental-themed clues to accessing them, which I for one thought was a nice, traditionalist-D&D touch ... especially with that 'Ghost Tower Of Inverness' reference! ;-)). |
| Leonidus10-08-05, 11:43 PM | So what was the critter the lich was transforming into? Looked like a demon, rather than a gargoyle. (also had 4 arms) Plus, I'm pretty sure that white was huge, which makes me curious as to why that Falazure looked so small. Really, he only seemed gargantuan to me. Maybe colossal, but on the lower end, it seems like. There was one really good slowed effects shot of the dragon mid-way through the raizing of Izhmir, towards the end of it, actually, that really puts the display while talking to Damodar to shame. Is it odd to have different effects quality in the same flick? (I'm an FX buff and comp artist, so I might be overly-sensetive.) |
| Firimar Elerrino10-08-05, 11:43 PM | uh... no. The core books aren't Greyhawk. Greyhawk is a campaign setting. Obad-hai, Pelor, etc. are all deities for mini-campaigns that need pre-made deities. :) Edit: wtf? The thread grew 7 pages, in 2 hours! OMG! lol DMG Version 3.5, page six, under the heading "Providing the World": "Every dungeon master is the creator of his or her campaign world. Whether you use the Greyhawk setting (the standard D&D campaign setting) or another published setting, such as the Forgotten Realsm Campaign Setting, it's still your world." The emphasis is, of course, mine. |
| AngelRipper10-08-05, 11:45 PM | One of the better SciFi Channels movies. Sadly this says very little. Not worse than the first film, but definitely could have been better. Still, it is somewhat better than the old '80s style Thigh Fantasy movies. |
| D&D_Madness 500010-08-05, 11:46 PM | DMG Version 3.5, page six, under the heading "Providing the World": "Every dungeon master is the creator of his or her campaign world. Whether you use the Greyhawk setting (the standard D&D campaign setting) or another published setting, such as the Forgotten Realsm Campaign Setting, it's still your world." The emphasis is, of course, mine. Quote: The emphasis is, of course, mine. Ok ppl, listen to it again, with an underline... Quote: The emphasis is, of course, mine. AHEM! |
| WraithCaller10-08-05, 11:47 PM | God I loved that lich... "This endeavor has been worthwhile, if only to see the look upon your face..." |
| Jagyr Ebonwood10-08-05, 11:48 PM | uh... no. The core books aren't Greyhawk. Greyhawk is a campaign setting. Obad-hai, Pelor, etc. are all deities for mini-campaigns that need pre-made deities. :) Uh...yes. The core books are Greyhawk. Greyhawk is the default core setting. All the standard deities come from there. |
| Rotipher10-08-05, 11:49 PM | Did that mage just lost XP when her familiar bit the dust? I don't think the dove was a familiar, just a pet. Maybe the writers wanted to show the elf doing *something* "elfy" in the film (i.e. having animal friends), even if the bird's getting char-broiled rather spoiled the effect. She seems to be the most underdeveloped character in the movie -- even Damodar's half-orc servant had better lines -- so give the elf a break: even doing something stupid is characterization of a sort. |
| Firimar Elerrino10-08-05, 11:50 PM | Quote: The emphasis is, of course, mine. Ok ppl, listen to it again, with an underline... Quote: The emphasis is, of course, mine. AHEM! Oh, come now. Pull out your copy of the book and see it for yourself. I meant that I'd added the bold in the quotations myself to indicate the main part. |
| TheGuildMaster10-08-05, 11:56 PM | I literally just finished watching D&D 2 on SciFi Channel. I am happy to report that it was infinitely better then the one that actually went to the theater. If you missed it, I am positive they will run it again. If you are staying up tonight it will play again at 1:30am. Here is the synopsis: Dungeons & Dragons: Wrath of the Dragon God Five heroes undertake a quest to prevent the rise of a dragon god and an evil sorceror. Mark Dymond (the James Bond film Die Another Day), Bruce Payne (reprising his role as Damodar from the original Dungeons & Dragons) and Clemency Burton-Hill (the upcoming miniseries Supernova) star in this fantasy epic. During the commercial breaks they had commercials for the RPG and advertised this website. http://www.wizards.com/dndnow/dndnow.asp Check it out! |
| Rotipher10-08-05, 11:56 PM | Another commercial break. :D That was so wierd just now... The cleric was disintegrated, right? 15 seconds later, he's slaughtering hordes of specters. :confused: Damn, that's an annoying lich, distintegrating peeps (supposedly) summoning spectres, and blowing up trees :uh-huh: In case anyone missed it, the cleric was never really under that fallen tree. That was an illusion of the cleric the lich created to lure the party's leader away (thus making him even *more* annoying, tee hee! ;-D). And the lich didn't disintegrate it, he just dismissed the illusion. |
| Darth_Azalin10-08-05, 11:59 PM | for the 2 breath types.. I would go with some metabreath spells/feats... One that allows you too "clone" your breath weapon and have it do your normal elemental and then one of the others (in the same instance back to back) |
| Firimar Elerrino10-09-05, 12:03 AM | I thought it that the part when the rogue was taking care of the trap in the goblin hut would've been a perfect place to add a little of the humor I was expecting in the movie. "This is what would've happened to you if I wasn't around..." *Pulls rope* The box comes up out of its compartment, perfectly safe. Because goblins aren't that good. The rest of the part proceeds to turn and look at Nim. |
| Lao, Ninja of the Dragon10-09-05, 12:06 AM | Wow, It was good. Not great, but good considering D&D is rather obscure. Some comments First off, I knew Obad-Hai was going to be important. I don't know why, maybe it was because he was mentioned a lot. Falazure could of scorched them all. Oh well, that would be boring anyway. They let their cleric get eaten by a dragon, don't they know to always keep the cleric alive. I didn't notice untill someone posted it that the elf's arm materealized in the wall. They need to make stuff like that obvious. She let her familiar die. And the rogue just laughed. If I was her, I would have punched him. The main character kissed his undead wife. Ewww... The lichs last few lines were priceless. Was was that blackrobed lizardy thing? Lizardfolk, Trogdylete, Dragonkin, a very tall Kobold? The half-orc pumped Drow blood into Damodar. Ewww... All in all though :thumbsup: :dragon: |
| Rotipher10-09-05, 12:06 AM | Well, for a TV movie (and especially a SciFi Channel one), that was actually pretty good! The acting still stinks, and the plot was pretty rushed, but it really did feel like something that could've happened in somebody's D&D campaign. And not a crummy campaign, either. Maybe Courtney Solomon will finally be able to show his face at a convention again, without the fear of being strung up in the exhibit hall...? :-) I loved all the in-joke references, and how they didn't overdo it on exposition like too many genera films do: the characters *live* in this world; they don't need to get bogged down in monologue about what a goblin is. Better by far to trust their target-audience to know its stuff, and let us gamers play "Spot The Spell/Monster/Class Ability" as we go! BTW, for those who were wondering, Ismear isn't in Greyhawk, the Forgotten Realms, or any other established game setting: it's a place dreamed up specifically for the D&D films. If anything, Ismear was inspired by Mystara's nation of Alphatia, although the snobbishness of its ruling class of mages seems to have softened in the century since the previous film was set. |
| Rotipher10-09-05, 12:22 AM | Okay, here's what "Monster Mythology" has to say about Falazure: "The terrifying Night Dragon picks at the wasteland of bones scattered about his burrow in Tarterus, his mindless juju zombie servants slaying any creature foolish enough to approach. Falazure is a wretched, creeping thing no longer able to fly, but he has a terrible beauty nonetheless. Falazure is a Neutal Evil lord of energy draining, undeath, decay, and exhaustion; he hates Bahamut and Tiamat equally, and hates and fears Chronepsis [dragon deity of fate, death and judgement]. "Role-Playing Notes: Falazure's avatars stalk some worlds seeking powerful, wise, or exceptional beings to energy drain. He steals corpses for ghastly necromantic experiments in Tarterus. All dragons fear him save shadow dragons, who revere him. Falazure's avatar (Illusionist 14, Cleric 18 [2E stats]): Falazure's avatar appears as a vast, sleek, beautiful dragon with silver-edged scales of midnight blue and vestigial wings, but he may also be Polymorphed into a handsome human or comely elf." Statistics go on to describe his breath weapon as an energy-draining cloud (1d10 levels lost per exposure, yikes!) that also causes a disease fatal in 2d4 hours. Victims who are slain by his breath weapon become juju zombies under his control. He controls undead as a 20th level cleric, and can Animate Dead or Summon Shadow at will. Given that the film's Falazure could fly and didn't look like his description -- not to mention the simple fact that he was defeated so easily by a bunch of mortals -- it's probably a safe guess that that WASN'T Falazure's real body they were fighting. Rather, he might've taken possession of a black dragon dracolich, to get around the typical D&D assumption that gods don't *personally* come to the Material Plane and beat up on mortals for no reason (lest rival gods do the same). As for the fire-breathing, I agree with others that it was probably a monsterous feat which made that possible. |
| Ridureyu10-09-05, 12:58 AM | I enjoyed the "summon the Magmin" sequence. "I'm about to summon a wild lava creature who likes to burn things. Since this is a stone castle, I think that I shall summon him in the LIBRARY." |
| Realmsrat10-09-05, 01:19 AM | She probably thought she could control the creature like any summon monster spell. |
| Darkuwa10-09-05, 01:21 AM | Yah, he only whent bezerk because she lost consciousness. Also, what he did provided insight for the mage to realize she had to burn the book of the four elements. |
| Realmsrat10-09-05, 01:27 AM | Wee, it's starting up again! |
| WraithCaller10-09-05, 01:30 AM | One thing... I most-usually play mages and am pretty knowledgeable when it comes to D&D spells, but, is it just me, or were half the elf's spells completely unidentifiable in terms of D&D? Like, what was that one that she used to knock down the bandits at the statue? Oh, and I don't know if anyone noticed, but the head wizard the lich disguises himself as... ... Yeah, check page 179 of the DMG. I have to hand it to them, nice work slipping something like that in. |
| Realmsrat10-09-05, 01:35 AM | Lightning bolt. She cast that a lot. |
| Leonidus10-09-05, 01:38 AM | Yeah, noticed that. Did anyone else enjoy the initial sequence, (watching that again now) with the straight-from-the-MM Kraken and the animated-style intro? (made me think somebody doing disney-feature-animation-quality stuff would make an excellent DnD flick. Expensive, tho. Would love the project. *drool*) |
| Realmsrat10-09-05, 01:43 AM | It was more an homage to the books I guess. The Kraken thing came off really cool. |
| Ridureyu10-09-05, 01:44 AM | Yah, he only whent bezerk because she lost consciousness. Also, what he did provided insight for the mage to realize she had to burn the book of the four elements. That was a little bit of a stretch, you know. Insight through vandalism. Imagine if, say, she summoned an Ethereal Filcher by accident. "Hey, That's what the filcher was telling us! STEAL the book of the four elements!" Old Mage Guy: "Um, muss..." Decaying Mage Girl: "Yoink! Haha!" *Grabs the book and jumps out the window* Old Mage guy: "I guess the corruption really did reach her brain." |
| Rocketboy1310-09-05, 01:56 AM | I enjoyed the "summon the Magmin" sequence. "I'm about to summon a wild lava creature who likes to burn things. Since this is a stone castle, I think that I shall summon him in the LIBRARY." These people have High intelligence, not high Wisdom. I think this kind of wizard thinking is what leads to half of all random encounters. Lava monster what could go wrong? Giant, fire breathing, fiendish gorilla, what's the problem? Undead monstrousity, I think I will call it Billy. 5 minutes later the town council is looking for a team of adventurers to solve the missing person problem. |
| Realmsrat10-09-05, 02:09 AM | Wow! I just realised when the gobliny servant dude poured that stuff into Damodar's back there were two drow hanging upsidedown behind them! This might be the movie premere of a drow! |
| Ridureyu10-09-05, 02:13 AM | These people have High intelligence, not high Wisdom. I think this kind of wizard thinking is what leads to half of all random encounters. Lava monster what could go wrong? Giant, fire breathing, fiendish gorilla, what's the problem? Undead monstrousity, I think I will call it Billy. 5 minutes later the town council is looking for a team of adventurers to solve the missing person problem. Hey, don't diss the giant fire-breathing fiendish gorillas! But yeah, I agree. Now, what other fun stuff could she have summoned? |
| Rocketboy1310-09-05, 02:20 AM | Hey, don't diss the giant fire-breathing fiendish gorillas! But yeah, I agree. Now, what other fun stuff could she have summoned? I love the Fiendish gorillas, My grandfather was one. That is why I am a Tiefling with an exceptionally hairy back. :devil: |
| Ridureyu10-09-05, 02:26 AM | "The Gibbering Mouther WAS trying to tell us something! We need to EAT the Book of Elemental Magic!" "The Chraal WAS trying to tell us something! We need to GROWL AT the Book of Elemental Magic!" "The Balor WAS trying to tell us something! We need to AAAAUUUUUUUUGGHHH...." |
| Realmsrat10-09-05, 02:36 AM | From a metaphorical perspective having the cleric die was like saying "Who needs Wisdom?" I just found that amusing. I wonder if the cleric was tring to cast Flamestrike on the icedragon, oh well. |
| Darkuwa10-09-05, 02:48 AM | There is not a single picture of that barbarian on the internet. Anyone got one? I would really like it for my computers background. |
| Ridureyu10-09-05, 02:55 AM | There will be plenty of pictures of her soon enough. Just realize that, if subcontext and cinematic "subtlety" is any indication, she's macking on the midget thief. |
| Sapp10-09-05, 02:57 AM | Speaking of vorpal weapons, does anyone know if the vorpal weapon enhancement was so named as a tribute to the excellent Jabberwocky? The first time I heard about a vorpal weapon was in Alice, Through the Looking Glass. So yeah... probably. @ Aeolus91 and Acheron I'd just ignore mrshupizdumaterinu's implied comment on vulgarity. The only thing vulgar in this thread is himself. You may find this surprising, but the measure of good literature is not whether or not the story moves at breakneck speed. Spending less time on exposition and focusing almost entirely on superficial plot elements is actually one of the staples of pulp writing. You are welcome to your opinion. If somebody tells me they believe a McDonalds hamburger is better than a well-cooked steak, I would say the same. Of course they are entitled to their own opinion. Unfortunately for you, there's no absolute definition for what is and isn't good literature. It changes. I'll agree that once a piece of work becomes a classic, then it shall remain so (due to the inherent qualities/definition of "classic"); however, you can't just tell us what good literature is. Who knows if "good literature is whether or not the story moves at breakneck speed." There's nothing wrong with writing that moves at breakneck speed. Times change. Anne Radcliffe's work was extremely popular a century or few ago. Hardly anyone cares for it now, and I only know a very few people who tolerate reading through her work. You know why? Not just because it DOESN'T move at breakneck speed, but because it moves TOO slow. Too much language. Too much detail. Too much "sublimity". Hardly anyone cares about that now. "Get to the point" is a very popular motto now, and I wouldn't be surprised that more modern literature becomes judged by how quickly it catches the readers' attentions rather than how well it fits archaic standards of literature. That is to say if there exist any absolute, timeless standards at all, that is. Though I'll have to admit... I didn't really like any Dragonlance books I've read in middle school. I haven't read any since, so I wouldn't know how they've improved. Then again, I didn't like LotR either. (Ironically, while I do like fantasy, I just don't seem to relate to most literature written for the genre.) |
| High Octane10-09-05, 02:58 AM | Im watching the repeat now. Its GOOD! Its amazing, they managed to make it decent! Of course its still somewhat campy, but its actually nice to watch! The detect magic was well done, I loved how it turned to the party and some of their equipment glowed. |
| Mr. Cheese10-09-05, 03:13 AM | Just finished watching(and recording) it. Overal rating: 8.5 out of ten. 1 point off because Falzure's special effects were subpar, and .5 point off because 15 minutes are missing. Character analysis. Berek: Not much to say about this guy except eeeeeeeeeeeeew he kissed his wife while her face was flaking off. Barb: Hot, but her "rages" were awkward. "RRRRRR! I IS ANGRY!!!!!1" Rouge: truly awesome, but I guess I just like rouges, and he played the part. "Now let's see what would happen if I were over there..." Wizard: the most underdeveloped character. "Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt! Lightning Bolt!" Human Wizard: This girl took charge at about the last part of the movie, and did a pretty good job. "I need four sticks of ivory and some incense. The expensive kind. Cleric: This guy was awesome, but died too soon. "Shoes are forbidden in this holy place." *picks up hammer and smashes it into ground to knock the people over* Damodar: The BBEG. Does a much better job of it then Protheon, especialy now that his lips aren't blue. Orky: Sadly, he was better developed than the elf. Very sad. He was a very good sidekick, though he needed to have some comic releif. "What are we having tonight?""Drow" Lich: Very cool character, especially when he drags that old guy's servant under the couch. I was like "WTF!" and then it was over and I was like"oh ****". "The look on your face just made this whole endeavor worthwhile" Falzure: Very good, very menacing, but he needed to knock down some buildings during his flybys. "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!!!!!!1eleven!" (you know you can picture him saying that) |
| Lore33310-09-05, 03:19 AM | First of all, in their Annotated Chronicles Hickman and Weiss often refer to the LoTr as being their inspiration. It's really quite obvious; they write several rather lengthy songs (as Tolkien does) and the structure of the two are the same (monolithic evil, party of eclectic heroes, epic war, death of an age and birth of a new, and so on). Here's a comparison of writing styles. This first comparison is to see how the two trilogies set the scene... ask yourself: which style of writing makes you feel as if you are there in the scene? Which can you smell, see, feel, and hear? "The narrow trail climbed steeply up from the plains into the wooded valley in the foothills. Evening's shadows gathered close around them as they followed the stream up into the mountain." -Dragons of Autumn Twilight "Next day Frodo woke early, feeling refreshed and well. He walked along the terraces above the loud-flowing Bruinen and watched the pale, cool sun rise above the far mountains, and shine down, slanting through the thin silver mist; the dew upon the yellow leaves was glimmering, and the woven nets of gossamer twinkled on every bush." -The Fellowship of the Ring As I stated before, the Dragonlance trilogy copies the format of LoTr to the T. At the end of the second book in each trilogy there is an epic siege. Ask yourself, which style of writing creates more tension? "The fog lifted with the coming of morning. The day dawned bright and clear-- so clear that Sturm, walking the battlements, could see the snow-covered grasslands of his birthplace near Vingaard Keep-- lands now completely controlled by the dragonarmies. The sun's first rays struck the flag of the knights-- kingfisher beneath a golden crown, holding a sword decorated with a rose in his claws. The golden emblem glittered in the morning light. Then Sturm heard the harsh, blaring horns." - Dragons of Winter Night "It was now past midnight. The sky was utterly dark, and the stillness of the heavy air foreboded storm. Suddenly the clouds were seared by a blinding flash. Branched lightning smote down upon the eastward hills. For a staring moment the watchers on the walls saw all the space between them and the Di-ke lit with white light: it was boiling and crawling with black shapes, some squat and broad, some tall and grim, with high helms and sable shields. Hundreds and hundreds more were pouring over the Di-ke and through the breach. The dark tide flowed up the walls from cliff to cliff. Thunder rolled in the valley. Rain came lashing down." - The Two Towers And here we'll see the impressions that two little people (Tasslehoff and Pippin, respectively) get from their first sight of a city: "Sighing in relief, Tas began to look with interest around the Temple compound, at least as well as he could with the draconian hanging onto his collar. He was sorry he did. Neraka looked exactly like what it was-- a small, ancient impoverished village built to serve those who inhabited the Temple, now overrun by the tent city that had sprouted up around it like fungus." -Dragons of Spring Dawning "Even as Pippin gazed in wonder the walls passed from looming grey to white, blushing faintly in the dawn; and suddenly the sun climbed over the eastern shadow and sent forth a shaft that smote the face of the City. Then Pippin cried aloud, for the Tower of Ecthelion, standing high within the topmost wall, shone out against the sky, glimmering like a spike of pearl and silver, tall and fair and shapely, and its pinnacle glittered as if it were wrought of crystals; and white banners broke and fluttered from the battlements in the morning breeze, and high and far he heard a clear ringing as of silver trumpets." -Return of the King I really like Dragonlance-- in fact, it's my favorite D&D campaign to date. But, as a writer, I have to say that I learn far more from Tolkien's example. And finally, to say that a D&D movie should be made with "special effects like Lord of the Rings" is a nice dream-- but it's just that, a dream. I don't think there's a producer alive who would risk spending that kind of money (on those plots!) on a movie that carried the title D&D. If it were called "Forgotten Realms" or "Dragonlance" and it didn't say "Dungeons and Dragons" anywhere in the title, then, maybe... but then, only maybe. |
| Ridureyu10-09-05, 03:22 AM | Yes, the Orcish henchman was hilarious. Did anybody catch his random "good times" line? Or did I hear it wrong? Damodar: "death, misery, etc. etc. etc." Orc: "Good times." |
| Sturm Jaeger10-09-05, 03:32 AM | Again? Those 2 were always alive! They were just dropped to -5 hp or something. Just like that one guy at my old party who went to -9, but was healed in a split second before he died. Um, I was talking about the cleric. I know the other two survived. But that was the cleric with them at the end! |
| Ridureyu10-09-05, 03:40 AM | I guess it was just a flesh wound. Either way, as far as "dead sidekicks" go, that cleric's better than Snails. |
| ThornTheWanderer10-09-05, 03:40 AM | Yes, the Orcish henchman was hilarious. Did anybody catch his random "good times" line? Or did I hear it wrong? Damodar: "death, misery, etc. etc. etc." Orc: "Good times." I caught that, I thought that it was just me. Same with the Drow for dinner thing, yuck. And did anyone catch the old school references?? Ghost Tower of Inverness, Shrine of the Kuo-Toa and there was mention of the Barrier Peaks. I thnk there were more, but I'm tired and my brain is foggy. Question: the elf was a mage, the tall girl was a barbarian, I got the rogue and the cleric, and Barak (Barrick, whatever)'s wife was a mage. What the hell was Barak? Fighter? Paladin? |
| Ridureyu10-09-05, 03:42 AM | Barak was a fighter. He needed swordchucks. |
| Sapp10-09-05, 03:44 AM | And finally, to say that a D&D movie should be made with "special effects like Lord of the Rings" is a nice dream-- but it's just that, a dream. I don't think there's a producer alive who would risk spending that kind of money (on those plots!) on a movie that carried the title D&D. If it were called "Forgotten Realms" or "Dragonlance" and it didn't say "Dungeons and Dragons" anywhere in the title, then, maybe... but then, only maybe. Nice comparison. And yes, I whole-heartedly agree, but that might be difficult. Personally, I think fantasy movies (even those directly drawn from a D&D setting) should avoid explicit connections to D&D, but I can see why WotC might not agree to that. I heard from another thread they pulled their support from The Gamers a movie that does everything but explicitly shout "related to D&D!" |
| Ridureyu10-09-05, 03:46 AM | On a similar note, have any of you seen "The Flight of Dragons?" That movie has a really thinly-veiled D&D reference. I'd like to check and see if it's in the book, too, but the book is pretty hard to find. |
| ThornTheWanderer10-09-05, 03:52 AM | I think that with the LoTR trilogy being the box office draws they were, that a good D&D movie is more liable to happen now then 10 years ago, because they've shown that the "sword and sorcery" genre can generate huge box office profits. (and win 11 Oscars!) |
| Sapp10-09-05, 03:59 AM | Yes, even though I didn't like the movie or the book, I love them for what they've done for the genre. What LotR has done for fantasy literature, the movie might do for fantasy films. What I want to see in fantasy films is drama and motive on the level of Braveheart. It would allow a lot of us take fantasy much more seriously. EDIT: Then again, it's arguable LoTR (the movie) had enough of that... I don't know... perhaps it's just some personal unresolved issue for me. |
| Leonidus10-09-05, 04:08 AM | I think LotR had more popular support behind it. I remember there was a long period where we'd only heard hints of it, for a few years there... (I'd also heard rumors of a Neuromancer movie around the same time, but I've yet to hear anything of THAT one now.) Plus, y'know, where D&D has gamer geeks ready to go medieval with a mace on the film community, LotR had gamers, literary buffs, historians, scholars, and even the WW2 people drawing analogies. All with maces. (Or crossbows. For the mace-impaired.) *shrugs* |
| Lore33310-09-05, 04:12 AM | I think that with the LoTR trilogy being the box office draws they were, that a good D&D movie is more liable to happen now then 10 years ago, because they've shown that the "sword and sorcery" genre can generate huge box office profits. (and win 11 Oscars!) Actually, the 11 was just for Return of the King-- they earned 17 total. ;) Personally, I really, really, really enjoyed the films. But then again, I'm a big fan of a lot of things, especially when it comes to fantasy. I would really like a sequel to Willow. I'm sure Warwick Davis isn't too busy these days... I'd love to see Ufgood back in action! :dancin: "Grrr!!! Your mother was a lizard!" |
| Beware of Kobold10-09-05, 04:31 AM | I don't think the dove was a familiar, just a pet. Maybe the writers wanted to show the elf doing *something* "elfy" in the film (i.e. having animal friends), even if the bird's getting char-broiled rather spoiled the effect. She seems to be the most underdeveloped character in the movie -- even Damodar's half-orc servant had better lines -- so give the elf a break: even doing something stupid is characterization of a sort. it wasn't a familiar or a pet, it was a Figurine of Wonderous Power. Didn't you notice that it was stone at first when she took it out of her robe, and then it turned back to stone and shattered on the floor when it got zapped? |
| rkr197010-09-05, 04:53 AM | I think that with the LoTR trilogy being the box office draws they were, that a good D&D movie is more liable to happen now then 10 years ago, because they've shown that the "sword and sorcery" genre can generate huge box office profits. (and win 11 Oscars!) We'll find out soon enough if it has done enough for high fantasy this Christmas season... The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe! The 3 facts that tell me that this movie should be great are 1.) Weta Workshop had a hand in it 2.) It's got one of the biggest budgets ever for a Disney film 3.) The film makers are making the movies in the order Lewis intended, NOT the order the modern publishers try to foist them off on people I wouldn't be surprised to see it get several Oscars IF the script, direction, and acting are solid, too. |
| dutch20610-09-05, 05:50 AM | I think the rules police are about to rear their ugly head. I liked the movie, but there are a couple of issues I had with the way things happened: 1) Since when is it possible to grab a lock of someone's hair through a scrying spell? I think it would cut down on the abuse of this spell, but I've never heard of it happening. 2) Why would a wizard as powerful as Damodar not shield his citadel against Scrying and Teleportation spells? :confused: 3) Now that Falazure has smashed the orb which summoned him, exactly how is he ever supposed to break out of prison again? 4) Remember the scene where the party went to goblin village to find out where Damodar's citadel was located? The shaman's hut was a building on stilts and it had a treasure chest hidden in the floor. Where exactly does one hide six foot long steel spike traps under the floor of a building on stilts??? Things I liked about the film: 1) accurate representation of a cleric turning undead. 2) accurate representation of an attack by a pod of darkmantles. 3) the plotline of this film was at least plausible. 4) The WOTC commercials during the breaks were funny. ("GO! We'll hold off the movie as long as we can!) |
| DMR10-09-05, 08:02 AM | Saw the show on SciFi last night - liked it - BUT --- What about all the commercials for HERPES MEDICINE?!?! Who did the demographics for this? plays DnD = must have herpes? lol |
| arbanafal10-09-05, 08:08 AM | Disclaimer: I respect all your opinions, and I will not attempt to force my beliefs upon you, I'll just post my own humble opinion, laced with some sharp bitterness. Spoiler alert to anyone. I'll try to be spoiler free, but in case I fail, you've been warned. This movie sucked more than the first!!!! No don't run and declare me mad. Stay with me and I'll carefully explain why the only redeeming quality to this movie is that there were more references to D&D than the last! But somehow seems to become more boring than watching the polar caps melt. Set in the same world as the first movie, the director needed to find something that would erase all trace of his first disgrace to his family's honour. The result is that all expensive actors have been dumped and Damodar could stay. having been undead obviously is good for one's skin complexity and, with the disappearance of his blue lips, Damodar surprisingly looks less like a stiff than before. I'm not a bad guy, so I've noticed that this movie isn't all bad. The only good actor AND character was Nim, the rogue. He's got another fan. Me. The CG was actually not that bad, considering the budget. There were two dragons and they were modelled nicely, but animated like a 90's first generation 3d computer game. But perhaps the best quality of the movie is the absence of Snails, a character who was the evil degenerate simulacrum of Jar Jar Binks with a headband of dumbass. There that was it. I'm sitting here for 15 minutes and still I've found nothing else that would qualify as something positive. Lovers of this movie didn't notice that this movie was so boring that it secretly anaesthetised them before giving them a full frontal lobotomy. The makers thought up a movie and gave it a paragon gelatinous half-ooze template. The female barbarian (how gender-role-rebellious) acts as if she got a degree at the royal academy of porn-acting. I raise serious doubts about her supposed barbarianism. She has a pretty face and almost no clothes on, but that describes almost half of the western female population. The only things that says barbarian are her team-mates who try to calm her down by shouting stupid things like "control yourself barbarian!" Count how many times someone shouts this pseudonatural quasi-quote in the movie. More ridiculous than the lame-ass attempt of fan-servicing stupid D&D fans, is that the barbarian never, ever rages. BUT Arbanafal she DOES!!!!11111! No she doesn't! In one battle where she loses control she’s performing all kinds of shite, but no raging. The only references to raging are directly after the shoutings of "control yourself barbarian!" after which she has a spontaneous outburst of asthma or whatever. The only thing enraging her is her team-mates doing and saying stupid things. Yeah, but arbanafal, there are civilized barbarians too!!!!11111!!. Yes there are, but they don’t rage, so this one apparently wasn’t supposed to be civilised. The leader of the party apparently has some kind of feud with his former pupil, but never in the movie will this become important. And the cleric…I’ll not even go there. Suffice it to say, that I laughed and laughed about this character up this his very end. Then there is the villain of the movie. DAAaaaa…….. …. …. MoOoooooo… …. …. … …. DAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar. By the time he has pronounced his name your unborn children will have reached puberty. Apparently 100 years of unlife will give you a speech impediment. The first movie at least gave dr. Bluelips some fight scenes. By the time he has taken half of the movie to slowly speak of his evil plot the heroes are standing in his throne room. He won’t put up a fight…ever. No I mean that: EVER. He flees from all his battles, he cowers before the dragon and he politely asks his competing villain to beat up the heroes. He’s more worthless in this than in the last movie. I still think that after killing Snails, the kingdom should have proclaimed him a hero, but after the most current movie I hate him, more than I hate fat girls in miniskirts. The plot crawls forward with all the zooming speed of a 20th level monk green ooze. Slow dialog, as if D&D fans are stupid people and every scene is devoid of tension and acting. I burned the first movie, fed it to my parakeets, burned them and ate their ashes. But at least that movie had something to keep my attention. The second movie has scenes the one more boring than the last. I fast-forwarded 75% percent of the movie and still is was horridly slow and boring. Did I mention boring? I meant to say: slow and agonizing like a Chinese water-torture. Added bonus: after crawling 20minutes through a dungeon the heroes insta-teleport to the villain’s lair. With absolutely no reason not to do that in the first place! BUT ARBANAFAL, TEH MVIE = LO BUDGETZORZ!!!!!11111!!!! Who cares?! Does that exclude you from writing a decent script and contracting good actors? Even a movie with bad-graphics can be successful and loved if the script is good, but seldom the other way round. Examples of good low-budget movies: Blair Witch project, Bruce Lee’s movies and the evil dead series. No money to make a good movie? Why make one in the first place? The fans didn’t hold a gun to WotC head and force them to make a movie. No excuses, this movie blows like a heroine addicted half-ogre prostitute. Things I’ve learned from this movie: Goblins have either beards or moustaches, but never both Liches like living in the woods. Liches sometimes gain immortality to learn less powerful spells. Unlife will give you a speech impediment Black dragons spew fireballs. Blocking ice-dragon-breath with a small spray of fire is a no-no. The first D&D movie is not the worst steaming barrel of necrotic cysts ever made. |
| Upper_Krust10-09-05, 08:25 AM | Hey there! :) I think the rules police are about to rear their ugly head. I liked the movie, but there are a couple of issues I had with the way things happened: 1) Since when is it possible to grab a lock of someone's hair through a scrying spell? I think it would cut down on the abuse of this spell, but I've never heard of it happening. It could have been a power of the artifact. 2) Why would a wizard as powerful as Damodar not shield his citadel against Scrying and Teleportation spells? :confused: He did have it blocked against scrying, thats why they had to use Malik's pool of sight (an artifact) to bypass the protection from scrying. 3) Now that Falazure has smashed the orb which summoned him, exactly how is he ever supposed to break out of prison again? To paraphrase Chris Tucker from Rush Hour 2 "He ain't coming back in D&D 3!" :D 4) Remember the scene where the party went to goblin village to find out where Damodar's citadel was located? The shaman's hut was a building on stilts and it had a treasure chest hidden in the floor. Where exactly does one hide six foot long steel spike traps under the floor of a building on stilts??? Its possible they sprang up from the ground below the hut itself, which would make sense in case someone tried to get at the chest from beneath the hut. 4) The WOTC commercials during the breaks were funny. ("GO! We'll hold off the movie as long as we can!) Wish I had seen them. |
| Troy7010-09-05, 08:44 AM | I for one liked the movie. I was better then the first one. |
| Upper_Krust10-09-05, 08:54 AM | Hey all! :) Okay for those who were asking for stills of the movie (including a certain gorgeous Barbarian Girl)... http://www.beyondhollywood.com/reviews/dungeonsanddragons2.htm#MOVIEPICS |
| ThornTheWanderer10-09-05, 09:16 AM | Hey all! :) Okay for those who were asking for stills of the movie (including a certain gorgeous Barbarian Girl)... http://www.beyondhollywood.com/reviews/dungeonsanddragons2.htm#MOVIEPICS Thanx!!! Actually, I thought ALL of the women were rather gorgeous. Well, exept for Melora when she was undead. :yuck: |
| D&D_Madness 500010-09-05, 09:48 AM | Thanx!!! Actually, I thought ALL of the women were rather gorgeous. Well, exept for Melora when she was undead. :yuck: Melora? You mean the girl that ended up killing the dragon with an orb? She wasn't undead, she was almost undead. :D |
| ThornTheWanderer10-09-05, 09:56 AM | ok, almost undead then. Still not kissable. ;) |
| Siberys10-09-05, 11:42 AM | I'm not a bad guy, so I've noticed that this movie isn't all bad. The only good actor AND character was Nim, the rogue. He's got another fan. Me. The CG was actually not that bad, considering the budget. There were two dragons and they were modelled nicely, but animated like a 90's first generation 3d computer game. But perhaps the best quality of the movie is the absence of Snails, a character who was the evil degenerate simulacrum of Jar Jar Binks with a headband of dumbass. Agreed {Snipped innaneness}The female barbarian (how gender-role-rebellious) acts as if she got a degree at the royal academy of porn-acting. I raise serious doubts about her supposed barbarianism. She has a pretty face and almost no clothes on, but that describes almost half of the western female population. The only things that says barbarian are her team-mates who try to calm her down by shouting stupid things like "control yourself barbarian!" Count how many times someone shouts this pseudonatural quasi-quote in the movie. More ridiculous than the lame-ass attempt of fan-servicing stupid D&D fans, is that the barbarian never, ever rages. BUT Arbanafal she DOES!!!!11111! No she doesn't! In one battle where she loses control she’s performing all kinds of shite, but no raging. The only references to raging are directly after the shoutings of "control yourself barbarian!" after which she has a spontaneous outburst of asthma or whatever. Agreed. That could've been done better. The leader of the party apparently has some kind of feud with his former pupil, but never in the movie will this become important. And the cleric…I’ll not even go there. Suffice it to say, that I laughed and laughed about this character up this his very end. half-Disagree. The former pupil kept talking about how the main character wouldn't be able to save the day, that only his army would. But of course, he died. The cleric died too early (As a side note, I don't think the cleric wa at the end of the movie. I htink that was the main char.) Then there is the villain of the movie. DAAaaaa…….. …. …. MoOoooooo… …. …. … …. DAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar. By the time he has pronounced his name your unborn children will have reached puberty. Apparently 100 years of unlife will give you a speech impediment. I think it was for dramatic tension. The first movie at least gave dr. Bluelips some fight scenes. By the time he has taken half of the movie to slowly speak of his evil plot the heroes are standing in his throne room. He won’t put up a fight…ever. No I mean that: EVER. He flees from all his battles, he cowers before the dragon and he politely asks his competing villain to beat up the heroes. He’s more worthless in this than in the last movie. I still think that after killing Snails, the kingdom should have proclaimed him a hero, but after the most current movie I hate him, more than I hate fat girls in miniskirts. Agreed The plot crawls forward with all the zooming speed of a 20th level monk green ooze. Slow dialog, as if D&D fans are stupid people and every scene is devoid of tension and acting. I burned the first movie, fed it to my parakeets, burned them and ate their ashes. But at least that movie had something to keep my attention. The second movie has scenes the one more boring than the last. I fast-forwarded 75% percent of the movie and still is was horridly slow and boring. Did I mention boring? I meant to say: slow and agonizing like a Chinese water-torture. Actually, a normal 20th level ooze monk's speed would be about 70 ft.... :P Added bonus: after crawling 20minutes through a dungeon the heroes insta-teleport to the villain’s lair. With absolutely no reason not to do that in the first place! {snipped} That seals it. you didn't pay attention. They needed to use an artifact to get a view of Damodar's throne-room. They didn't know what it looked like, so they couldn't teleport there. Things I’ve learned from this movie: Goblins have either beards or moustaches, but never both I don't know about that. Where were the Goblins in the movie? The only mention of them I heard was about the ones that had disappeared. Liches like living in the woods. Liches sometimes gain immortality to learn less powerful spells. Agreed Unlife will give you a speech impediment Explained above Black dragons spew fireballs. Blocking ice-dragon-breath with a small spray of fire is a no-no. These have been adressed with this thread already. Falazure's breath weapon was just plain a bad choice, and I think it was Shield of Fire, not Wall of Fire The first D&D movie is not the worst steaming barrel of necrotic cysts ever made. A vehement DISAGREE here, bud. |
| Lao, Ninja of the Dragon10-09-05, 11:46 AM | Where were the Goblins in the movie? The only mention of them I heard was about the ones that had disappeared. Yeah why did they dissapear? |
| D&D_Madness 500010-09-05, 11:54 AM | YEARN NO MORE! ppl, I have created a Falazure creature to quench your thirsts for this movie! Now that the movie is over, the fansites and creatures (below) will begin... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Falazure, Dragon God Of Decay Colossal Dragon (Evil) Hit Dice: 100d12+10 (1,210 hp) Initiative: +13 (+13 Dex) Speed: 140 ft. Ground, 180 ft. Air (Perfect) Divine Rank: 5 AC: +58 (+13 Dex, +35 Natural) Touch 23, Flat-Footed 45 Base Attack/Grapple: +100/+108 Attack: 2 Claws (5d6+8/x4) Full Attack: 2 Claws (5d6+8/x4) Bite (5d8+8/18-20/x3) 2 Wings (5d10+8/x5) Special Attacks: Fireball, Poison Gas Special Qualities: Godly Immunities, Dragon Immunities, Night Dragon, Turn Resistance, Darkvision 60 ft, Low-light Vision, Godly Resistances, Damage Reduction 15/Epic, Other Godly advantages. Abilities: Str 25, Dex 35, Con 30, Int 20, Wis 30, Cha 18 Saves: Fort 70, Ref 73, Will 70 Salient Divine Abilities: Anhialating Strike, Frightful Presence, Speak With Creatures, Divine Blast, Mass Divine Blast Skills: Spellcraft +267, Spot +267, Survival +267, Escape Artist +267, Search +267 Feats: Endurance, Diehard, Dodge, Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Lightning Reflexes, Run, Mobility, Point Blank Shot, Shot on the Run, Toughness, Eyes in the Back of your Head, Combat Expertise, Superior Expertise. Environment: Any Organization: None CR: 80 Treasure: Desert Rose Alignment: Chaotic Evil Advancement: None You see a large, black monster flying toward the city. Moments later, you can make out the true shape and size. A colossal great black wyrm. Before you can call the guards, it flies over the wall. You notice it is faster than any other dragon you know, and it’s body is filled with holes. You realize this is Falazure, the Dragon God of Decay. In a few minutes, it begins setting fire to everything in the city, using a barrage of fireballs. An hour later, you are cornered on a wall and watch helplessly as it sends a last fireball in your general direction. Your precise direction. Fireball: Falazure, strangely, has no breath attacks. But he does have fireball spells. Each fireball has a range of 500 ft. and can be cast indefinitely. Upon touching it’s target, the fireball deals 10d6 points of fire damage to it’s target and is treated as an area effect spell, dealing 8d4 damage to anything within 10 ft. of the fireball’s primary target. Poison Gas: Falazure can spit out poison gas from it’s nostrils. For every 1 minute the poison gas is spilling, it covers a 30 ft. area. Though it is a demigod, if Falazure is placed into a magical slumber, it automatically spills poison gas from it’s nostrils. While it sleeps, though, it is slower, so in 1 minute, it covers a 10 ft. area. Godly Immunities: Falazure is a god. Therefore, he gains godly immunities. Falazure, god of decay, is immune to Energy Drain, Ability Drain, Ability Damage: Falazure is not subject to energy drain, ability drain, or ability damage. Mind-Affecting Effects: Falazure is immune to mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and morale effects). It is also immune to electricity, cold, and acid, even if the attacker is a deity of higher divine rank. Finally, Falazure is immune to disease and poison, stunning, sleep, paralysis, and death effects, and disintegration. Dragon Immunities: Falazure is a dragon, therefore, immune to magic sleep effects and paralysis effects. Night Dragon: Falazure is a night dragon. Being a night dragon makes him a sort of undead. This makes him especially vulnerable to being turned by a cleric (DC -25.) Being a night dragon also causes his body to release a small amount of smoke when he flies. This makes the typical DC for a being to avoid being fear-strucken be reduced by 5. Turn Resistance: Ironically, due to being a god, he has resistance to being turned by a cleric. The ironic thing is, that above, in the night dragon article, it stated that he is vulnerable to turning. Though his godly power enables him more of a turning bonus than a penalty (DC +35) Godly Resistances: Falazure, being a god, is 8 points resistant to fire. He is also 35 points resistant to spells. Other Godly Advantages: Being a god has other advantages, such as owning 500 ft. of land in the Material and Shadow Planes. He is also immune to death from age, and has 5 salient divine abilities. Besides that, Falazure gets maximum hit points per hit die, and can teleport anywhere. Finally, he has a familiar, a great red wyrm. Salient Divine Abilities Anhialating Strike: When Falazure strikes with his mass divine strike attack, the opponent struck might be obliterated. Creatures, attended objects, and magic items must make Fortitude saves (DC 25 + the damage dealt) or be reduced to –10 hit points and killed outright. Unattended, nonmagical objects are obliterated. Falazure destroys 5 10-foot cubes of living matter, so the ability destroys only part of any very large object or structure targeted. Frightful Presence: Whenever Falazure attacks with his fireball attack, foes within a 30-foot-radius burst must make Will saves (DC 19). Foes within the burst, but not the deity’s immediate target, become shaken for 3d6 rounds if they fail their saves. Creatures also become panicked for 3d6 rounds if they fail their saves. Foes who make successful saving throws are unaffected by this ability for one day. Speak With Creatures: Falazure has the supernatural ability to converse with all humanoids. This ability works like a permanent speak with animals or speak with plants spell, or like a tongues spell that only allows the deity to converse with the specified type of creature. Divine Blast: Falazure can use this ability 7 times per day. The ray created can extend up to 5 miles .Targets the ray strikes take 5d12 +4d12. There is no saving throw, but the deity must make a ranged touch attack to hit a target. The ray is dark-green and what it touches starts disintegrating. Despite the appearance of the ray, the damage it deals results directly from divine power and is therefore not subject to being reduced by protection from elements and similar magic. Mass Divine Blast: This ability works like the Divine Blast ability, except that Falazure can specify up to 25 targets, no two of which can be more than one mile apart per rank, or an area. The area can be a cone, burst, spread, or cylinder. A cone can be up to 500 feet long. A burst or spread can have a radius of up to 250 feet. A cylinder can have a radius of up to 250 feet and a height of up to 50 ft. Falazure chooses the attack’s exact form and dimensions. Each use of this ability counts as a use of the deity’s Divine Blast ability. |
| Realmsrat10-09-05, 01:05 PM | While there is no reason for Dragon god dude to have a firebell breathweapon, didn't he or Damodar specifically mention burning or Raizing Ismir? You can't burn down a nation with acid! Also, when the girl found out that she was undeadifying she or the old mage say that the orb's power must have let damodar somhow get a lock of her hair. She even sees the amulet in her vision spell. Something that confuses poeple is why casting divine spells was so important to the young mage girl when obviously there was friggin Cleric in the other party. The reason I think is because she was a wizard casting divine spells! There was a whole bit of banter where shge says wizards cast arcane spells. I think she was trying to combine divine with arcane into a new form of magic. Or maybe it was a huge loophole and I'm trying to cover it up to preserve my faith in the movie. |
| MadBlue10-09-05, 02:39 PM | Yeah why did they dissapear?Budget constraints, probably. ;) Um, I was talking about the cleric. I know the other two survived. But that was the cleric with them at the end!The one in the white robes? That was a different cleric. He had the same tattoo on his head, but his hair was different and he had no beard or moustache. MadBlue |
| Upper_Krust10-09-05, 03:28 PM | Hey there! :) Yeah why did they dissapear? The heroes were going to ask the goblins of Kurtul* how to find Malik's Vault. Damodar sent the white dragon to kill all the goblins (thereby destroying the parties means of finding the scrying pool) and ambush the party. Fortunately for the party they found a map to Malik's Vault in the Goblin Shaman's hut. *Kurtulmak? |
| Rotipher10-09-05, 03:32 PM | Yeah why did they dissapear? All eaten by the white dragon would be my guess. Some might've escaped from their village when the dragon showed up, but their shaman definitely got eaten (since the shamanic hut still had a few valuables in it). |
| Beware of Kobold10-25-05, 02:44 PM | The first D&D movie is not the worst steaming barrel of necrotic cysts ever made.[/LIST] you're right, that honor goes to your nearly unintelligible review of this movie. Were you even watching the same movie? goblins? what? there were no goblins! Next time try facing toward the TV while you watch the movie. |