D&D v.s. S&S [Archive] - Wizards Community

D&D v.s. S&S [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
The_Kallinic
09-11-04, 03:20 AM Thats right folks! Brawl-o-rama! Dungeons and Dragons Versus Swords and Sorcery! Are they truely the same thing? Or is one a superior d20 game? That, my friends is for you to decide! Have at it!
SnowbearK
09-11-04, 03:23 AM :rolleyes:
Kem
09-11-04, 04:07 AM I think I missed something...

Although I use alot of books (S&S, Bastion, Mongoose, etc, etc) besides WotC's I find this question to be akin to "Is dungeons and dragons and Forgotten Realms the same thing?"

So again... Huh?
Seeker95
09-11-04, 03:04 PM Ummm... orange? :confused:
klyre
09-11-04, 03:21 PM Ummm... orange? :confused:

No, no... fish.
Cyricist
09-11-04, 03:30 PM No, no... fish.

I'd say... the square root of 723.9
DwarvinJedi
09-11-04, 04:23 PM Therefore the answer to the universe is 42
Frozen Yakman
09-11-04, 08:23 PM The only difference between S&S and WotC is that S&S has to pay money to put the DnD logo on their d20 products. But everything put out by both companies is d20 so it's the same thing for all intents and purposes.
Ranger REG
09-11-04, 08:54 PM So far, I know of only one or two Sword & Sorcery Studio product lines that have the D&D logo slapped on: Warcraft and Gamma World(?). The rest are royalty-free d20 products, thanks to the d20 System Trademark License and the Open Gaming License (courtesy of WotC).

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Seeker95
09-11-04, 09:11 PM Correct me if I'm wrong.Ravenloft? :D
Requires the use of the Dungeons and Dragons Players Handbook, Revised Third Edition, published by Wizards of the Coast. The Ravenloft campaign setting is an officially licensed Dungeons and Dragons property.

Scarred Lands is a d20 logo, but not a D&D logo. That was going to be my next guess.
Fixxxer
09-11-04, 11:29 PM Thats right folks! Brawl-o-rama! Dungeons and Dragons Versus Swords and Sorcery! Are they truely the same thing? Or is one a superior d20 game? That, my friends is for you to decide! Have at it!

Logic...breaking down....must try...to...resist.....

AAAHHH!!

/me steps on his own head repeatedly
von Szass
09-12-04, 06:06 PM Kallinic:

D&D is a product name for a D20 roleplaying game
S&S is an imprint of the publisher White Wolf, which provides additional stuff for D&D/D20.

So your comparison makes as much sense as comparing an aeroplane to a bucket of booger.
Cyricist
09-12-04, 06:10 PM Still.. the aeroplane would kick the booger's behind.. for real.. :D

Seriously.. can't you smell that troll yet...
Wrathamon
09-14-04, 03:45 PM This is prehaps the dumbest thread evah

who plays better football the NFL or the Dallas Cowboys?

that is pretty much what you are saying
Sulaco
09-14-04, 03:48 PM Thats right folks! Brawl-o-rama! Dungeons and Dragons Versus Swords and Sorcery! Are they truely the same thing? Or is one a superior d20 game? That, my friends is for you to decide! Have at it!

D&D is a game, S&S is a company. This is like asking "What tastes better: pizza or Sony."
Sulaco
09-14-04, 03:50 PM Kallinic:

D&D is a product name for a D20 roleplaying game
S&S is an imprint of the publisher White Wolf, which provides additional stuff for D&D/D20.

I am not certain what you mean by "an imprint". S&S is a company owned by WW, much like WotC is owned by Hasbro.
Arrowhen
09-14-04, 04:44 PM I am not certain what you mean by "an imprint".

"In the publishing business, an imprint is a brand name under which a work is published. One single publishing company may have multiple imprints; the different imprints are used by the publisher to market the work to different demographic consumer segments."

I love Wikipedia. :)
Wrathamon
09-14-04, 09:34 PM Yes, but is Sword and Sorcery Studios an imprint of White Wolf or a seperate studio that is owned by White Wolf?

That is the question

Necromancer Games is also a studio owned by White Wolf or is it an Imprint as well?
Wildonion
09-14-04, 09:49 PM D&D is a game, S&S is a company. This is like asking "What tastes better: pizza or Sony."

I don't know sony is pretty good. Stick it in the oven with some cheese and sauce and they taste about the same :D
Ranger REG
09-15-04, 03:57 AM Ravenloft? :D
Requires the use of the Dungeons and Dragons Players Handbook, Revised Third Edition, published by Wizards of the Coast. The Ravenloft campaign setting is an officially licensed Dungeons and Dragons property.
Actually, Ravenloft is licensed to White Wolf's other subsidiary, Arthaus. In fact, Arthaus was established by White Wolf as a separate game design studio. Sword & Sorcery Studio and Necromancer Games signed up with White Wolf so they can design games and WW is their publishinghouse.
Sulaco
09-15-04, 09:25 AM Yes, but is Sword and Sorcery Studios an imprint of White Wolf or a seperate studio that is owned by White Wolf?

That is the question

Necromancer Games is also a studio owned by White Wolf or is it an Imprint as well?

S&S and Necromancer are seperate companies. S&S is owned by WW IIRC (at least the cheques I got from them for writing books were WW cheques). Necromacer is not owned by them but has a publishing arrangement with S&S which thus carries over to WW.

Based on the definition given above, and imprint would be something like (and I can't believe I know this thanks to my wife!) Black Lace, which is a racier line published by Harelquin.

So in short, S&S and Necromancer are not imprints, they are companies. The former is owned by WW, the latter is not.
Zherog
09-15-04, 09:42 AM Based on the definition given above, and imprint would be something like (and I can't believe I know this thanks to my wife!) Black Lace, which is a racier line published by Harelquin.

Your wife. Suuuure. We understand. * wink, wink * *nudge, nudge*

:P :P :P :P
Thelandrach
09-15-04, 09:45 AM Is S&S the game where they changed the names of elves, dwarves and humans, and only tell you in one module how they translate, so if you're reading the other module you bought for their game setting, you're constantly reading about these weird creature names you've never heard of before and driving yourself nuts trying to find writeups of them, and finally you read the module that has the translations in it, and you're, like, "duh... why the heck did they do that?"

If so, S&S loses mega points.
Zherog
09-15-04, 09:47 AM Nope. Sword and Sorcery is a d20 publisher. They have a setting called the Scarred Lands. Among the books I have from them are Relics and Rituals, Creature Collection and Creature Collection 2.

They have their own spin on races like dwarves and elves in their setting, but they haven't been renamed (at least, I don't recall them being renamed).
Xenu
09-15-04, 06:58 PM Scarn (Scarred Lands) is a great world, but so is Faerun (Forgotten Realms). No need to argue. :)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
The_Kallinic 09-11-04, 03:20 AM	Thats right folks! Brawl-o-rama! Dungeons and Dragons Versus Swords and Sorcery! Are they truely the same thing? Or is one a superior d20 game? That, my friends is for you to decide! Have at it!
SnowbearK 09-11-04, 03:23 AM	:rolleyes:
Kem 09-11-04, 04:07 AM	I think I missed something... Although I use alot of books (S&S, Bastion, Mongoose, etc, etc) besides WotC's I find this question to be akin to "Is dungeons and dragons and Forgotten Realms the same thing?" So again... Huh?
Seeker95 09-11-04, 03:04 PM	Ummm... orange? :confused:
klyre 09-11-04, 03:21 PM	Ummm... orange? :confused: No, no... fish.
Cyricist 09-11-04, 03:30 PM	No, no... fish. I'd say... the square root of 723.9
DwarvinJedi 09-11-04, 04:23 PM	Therefore the answer to the universe is 42
Frozen Yakman 09-11-04, 08:23 PM	The only difference between S&S and WotC is that S&S has to pay money to put the DnD logo on their d20 products. But everything put out by both companies is d20 so it's the same thing for all intents and purposes.
Ranger REG 09-11-04, 08:54 PM	So far, I know of only one or two Sword & Sorcery Studio product lines that have the D&D logo slapped on: Warcraft and Gamma World(?). The rest are royalty-free d20 products, thanks to the d20 System Trademark License and the Open Gaming License (courtesy of WotC). Correct me if I'm wrong.
Seeker95 09-11-04, 09:11 PM	Correct me if I'm wrong.Ravenloft? :D Requires the use of the Dungeons and Dragons Players Handbook, Revised Third Edition, published by Wizards of the Coast. The Ravenloft campaign setting is an officially licensed Dungeons and Dragons property. Scarred Lands is a d20 logo, but not a D&D logo. That was going to be my next guess.
Fixxxer 09-11-04, 11:29 PM	Thats right folks! Brawl-o-rama! Dungeons and Dragons Versus Swords and Sorcery! Are they truely the same thing? Or is one a superior d20 game? That, my friends is for you to decide! Have at it! Logic...breaking down....must try...to...resist..... AAAHHH!! /me steps on his own head repeatedly
von Szass 09-12-04, 06:06 PM	Kallinic: D&D is a product name for a D20 roleplaying game S&S is an imprint of the publisher White Wolf, which provides additional stuff for D&D/D20. So your comparison makes as much sense as comparing an aeroplane to a bucket of booger.
Cyricist 09-12-04, 06:10 PM	Still.. the aeroplane would kick the booger's behind.. for real.. :D Seriously.. can't you smell that troll yet...
Wrathamon 09-14-04, 03:45 PM	This is prehaps the dumbest thread evah who plays better football the NFL or the Dallas Cowboys? that is pretty much what you are saying
Sulaco 09-14-04, 03:48 PM	Thats right folks! Brawl-o-rama! Dungeons and Dragons Versus Swords and Sorcery! Are they truely the same thing? Or is one a superior d20 game? That, my friends is for you to decide! Have at it! D&D is a game, S&S is a company. This is like asking "What tastes better: pizza or Sony."
Sulaco 09-14-04, 03:50 PM	Kallinic: D&D is a product name for a D20 roleplaying game S&S is an imprint of the publisher White Wolf, which provides additional stuff for D&D/D20. I am not certain what you mean by "an imprint". S&S is a company owned by WW, much like WotC is owned by Hasbro.
Arrowhen 09-14-04, 04:44 PM	I am not certain what you mean by "an imprint". "In the publishing business, an imprint is a brand name under which a work is published. One single publishing company may have multiple imprints; the different imprints are used by the publisher to market the work to different demographic consumer segments." I love Wikipedia. :)
Wrathamon 09-14-04, 09:34 PM	Yes, but is Sword and Sorcery Studios an imprint of White Wolf or a seperate studio that is owned by White Wolf? That is the question Necromancer Games is also a studio owned by White Wolf or is it an Imprint as well?
Wildonion 09-14-04, 09:49 PM	D&D is a game, S&S is a company. This is like asking "What tastes better: pizza or Sony." I don't know sony is pretty good. Stick it in the oven with some cheese and sauce and they taste about the same :D
Ranger REG 09-15-04, 03:57 AM	Ravenloft? :D Requires the use of the Dungeons and Dragons Players Handbook, Revised Third Edition, published by Wizards of the Coast. The Ravenloft campaign setting is an officially licensed Dungeons and Dragons property. Actually, Ravenloft is licensed to White Wolf's other subsidiary, Arthaus. In fact, Arthaus was established by White Wolf as a separate game design studio. Sword & Sorcery Studio and Necromancer Games signed up with White Wolf so they can design games and WW is their publishinghouse.
Sulaco 09-15-04, 09:25 AM	Yes, but is Sword and Sorcery Studios an imprint of White Wolf or a seperate studio that is owned by White Wolf? That is the question Necromancer Games is also a studio owned by White Wolf or is it an Imprint as well? S&S and Necromancer are seperate companies. S&S is owned by WW IIRC (at least the cheques I got from them for writing books were WW cheques). Necromacer is not owned by them but has a publishing arrangement with S&S which thus carries over to WW. Based on the definition given above, and imprint would be something like (and I can't believe I know this thanks to my wife!) Black Lace, which is a racier line published by Harelquin. So in short, S&S and Necromancer are not imprints, they are companies. The former is owned by WW, the latter is not.
Zherog 09-15-04, 09:42 AM	Based on the definition given above, and imprint would be something like (and I can't believe I know this thanks to my wife!) Black Lace, which is a racier line published by Harelquin. Your wife. Suuuure. We understand. * wink, wink * nudge, nudge :P :P :P :P
Thelandrach 09-15-04, 09:45 AM	Is S&S the game where they changed the names of elves, dwarves and humans, and only tell you in one module how they translate, so if you're reading the other module you bought for their game setting, you're constantly reading about these weird creature names you've never heard of before and driving yourself nuts trying to find writeups of them, and finally you read the module that has the translations in it, and you're, like, "duh... why the heck did they do that?" If so, S&S loses mega points.
Zherog 09-15-04, 09:47 AM	Nope. Sword and Sorcery is a d20 publisher. They have a setting called the Scarred Lands. Among the books I have from them are Relics and Rituals, Creature Collection and Creature Collection 2. They have their own spin on races like dwarves and elves in their setting, but they haven't been renamed (at least, I don't recall them being renamed).
Xenu 09-15-04, 06:58 PM	Scarn (Scarred Lands) is a great world, but so is Faerun (Forgotten Realms). No need to argue. :)