d10? d%? d90? [Archive] - Wizards Community

d10? d%? d90? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Jagyr Ebonwood
10-22-05, 01:18 PM Look here. (http://www.trollandtoad.com/Supplies-%26-Dice/1371-483-1204-1225p1n10.html)

What is this to you?
I've always called this "a d%" when typed, and "a percentile die" or "dee percentile" when spoken. As a side comment, two of these dice, or one of these and a d10, are typed as "d%" and refered to as "percentile dice".

Okay, now go here. (http://www.wizards.com/playdnd/dndhost.asp?jumpto=dice)
Click on the purple die.

This official, WotC site, says that this (http://www.trollandtoad.com/Supplies-%26-Dice/1371-483-1204-1225p1n10.html) is called a "d90"?

Am I the only one who's never heard of this? :confused:
howlingwolf
10-22-05, 01:23 PM 2d10. Tens and units piece of pie. And BTW. Those sites don't like someone stealing their bandwidth apparently.

:rimshot:
Jagyr Ebonwood
10-22-05, 01:32 PM Those sites don't like someone stealing their bandwidth apparently.
Unfortunately, they also appear to be the only sites on the net with standalone "d90" pictures... :ahem: Changed to links...
Jagyr Ebonwood
10-22-05, 01:36 PM 2d10. Tens and units piece of pie.

Yes, that's what I would call two dice numbered 0-9.
What would you call a single die numbered 00-90?

If we call the 0-9 die a d10, why should the 00-90 die be called a d90?
rbrt_Spade
10-22-05, 01:43 PM who knows? that die i think is for other game systems like gurps. i just have the normal dice used with the d20 system. ive seen 100siders,9siders and other crazy things. anybody else?
q'afuu
10-22-05, 01:46 PM If we call the 0-9 die a d10, why should the 00-90 die be called a d90? Well, a 0-9 die is actually a 1-10 die, whether it has a 0 or a 10 on it: the result of the die roll is not meant to ever be 0.

A d4 is a die that rolls up to 4. A d6 is a die that rolls up to 6. A d8 is a die that rolls up to 8. A d10 is a die that rolls up to 10. A d12 is a die that rolls up to 12. A d20 is a die that rolls up to 20.

A d90 is a die that rolls up to 90. :) Simple, no?

Since most people don't have a real percentile die (0-100), they have to use 2 10-sided dice. It's easier to be able to refer to the d10 and the d90 than 'the one for the units and the one for the tens'.
Jagyr Ebonwood
10-22-05, 01:57 PM Well, a 0-9 die is actually a 1-10 die, whether it has a 0 or a 10 on it: the result of the die roll is not meant to ever be 0.
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A d90 is a die that rolls up to 90. :) Simple, no?
That's kind of my point...
If the 0 on a d10 is considered to be 10, it follows that the 00 on a "d90" is considered to be 100. This is correct as far as I know...

So, the "d90" actually rolls up to 100. Did they call it that because a d100 already exists?

My theory is that they made this silly name in conjunction with the D&D Basic Game (the page that I found the term"d90" on was part of the D&D Basic Game introductive interactive page thingy...).
I guess it's easier for people who have never seen a die with more then six sides to understand "d90" rather than "d%" or "d00".

This of course begs the question...why didn't "d10" become "d9"?
Or is that something we won't see til 4e? (j/k) ;)
q'afuu
10-22-05, 02:37 PM That's kind of my point...
If the 0 on a d10 is considered to be 10, it follows that the 00 on a "d90" is considered to be 100. This is correct as far as I know...

So, the "d90" actually rolls up to 100.No, it's not and no, it doesn't. :)

A percentile roll has to result in a number varying from 1 to 100. Zero is excluded. If the 00 on a d90 would equal 100 and the 0 on a d10 still equals 10, you couldn't get 1-9 as your percentile result, but you could get 101-110 instead. Obviously, that's not right. The only combo of two 10-sided dice that will result in a proper percentile is one d10 for the units, going from 1 to 10, and the other d10 for the tens going from 0 to 90. Anything else will result in errors.

Of course, you could just as easily refer to 1d0 and 1d00 or something similar to denote the two dice that make up a percentile roll, but I guess WotC thinks that looks silly.
Seeker95
10-22-05, 02:40 PM I've clicked on all 3 links and can't find anything that refers to a "d90"
q'afuu
10-22-05, 02:44 PM I've clicked on all 3 links and can't find anything that refers to a "d90" Use the second link. Position your mouse cursor over the purple die (right-middle). Read the text that appears in the middle of the screen.
Jagyr Ebonwood
10-22-05, 02:47 PM No, it's not and no, it doesn't. :)

A percentile roll has to result in a number varying from 1 to 100. Zero is excluded. If the 00 on a d90 would equal 100 and the 0 on a d10 still equals 10, you couldn't get 1-9 as your percentile result, but you could get 101-110 instead. Obviously, that's not right. The only combo of two 10-sided dice that will result in a proper percentile is one d10 for the units, going from 1 to 10, and the other d10 for the tens going from 0 to 90. Anything else will result in errors.

Of course, you could just as easily refer to 1d0 and 1d00 or something similar to denote the two dice that make up a percentile roll, but I guess WotC thinks that looks silly.

I meant that, when rolled by itself, a "00" on a d90 would mean 100, because it can't mean zero. Of course, why anyone would need to generate a multiple of 10 between 10 and 100 is beyond me. :P
Also, I always thought of it like this: You roll the dice and add the two numbers. If the total is zero (00+0), it's counted as 100 instead.
I guess that's where our differing views come from.

Seeker95: When you click the second link, a green screen with various dice will load. On the right side, hold your cursor over the purple 10 sided die. Text appears in the middle of the screen denoting the two 10 sided dice as "percentile dice", and saying that their types are "one d10 and one d90".
Seeker95
10-22-05, 02:53 PM jagyr and q'afuu: thanks. That window kept popping up behind the other link I had already generated.
Slyde Shadowdart
10-22-05, 02:59 PM The one labelled 1-0 I've always referred to as a d10 or ten-sider.
The one labelled 00-90 I've always referred to as a percentile die.

Together, they form.....<<drumroll>> percentile dice. :)
Seeker95
10-22-05, 03:57 PM Together, they form.....<<drumroll>> percentile dice. :)Plurals are fun.
And they don't always require adding 's'!
General_Ridley
10-22-05, 04:23 PM They are both d10s and can be used individually as d10s. together they make a d%.
Darrett
10-22-05, 05:01 PM I meant that, when rolled by itself, a "00" on a d90 would mean 100, because it can't mean zero. Of course, why anyone would need to generate a multiple of 10 between 10 and 100 is beyond me. :P
Also, I always thought of it like this: You roll the dice and add the two numbers. If the total is zero (00+0), it's counted as 100 instead.
I guess that's where our differing views come from.

Seeker95: When you click the second link, a green screen with various dice will load. On the right side, hold your cursor over the purple 10 sided die. Text appears in the middle of the screen denoting the two 10 sided dice as "percentile dice", and saying that their types are "one d10 and one d90".

My groups have always referred to them as D100s, or Percentile dice. Never heard of D90 before.
SirCaran
10-22-05, 07:12 PM The way i see it is that the 00 is like the Ace in Blackjack
if you roll "00" and "1" the result is "1" if you roll "00" and "0" it is "100"
ORC_Paradox
10-23-05, 09:09 AM The Dicemaster is here.

Okay, old school- Roll a 0 on the tens and 00 on the other one and you get a result of 100.

New format- add both dice together. So, if you roll a ten on the first one, and 00 on the other, the result is ten. 1 on the first die, 00 on the second, result is 1.

To get 100, you'd need to roll 10 on one die, and 90 on the other.

It's now a matter of adding the two dice rather than using a "Tens place" and "Ones place", like we're used to.
Jagyr Ebonwood
10-23-05, 12:11 PM The Dicemaster is here.

Okay, old school- Roll a 0 on the tens and 00 on the other one and you get a result of 100.

New format- add both dice together. So, if you roll a ten on the first one, and 00 on the other, the result is ten. 1 on the first die, 00 on the second, result is 1.

To get 100, you'd need to roll 10 on one die, and 90 on the other.

It's now a matter of adding the two dice rather than using a "Tens place" and "Ones place", like we're used to.

So, has the "0" on a d10 been replaced by "10"? That's the only way I see this being less confusing to newbies...

Old School: "Add the numbers up, and if you get zero, treat it as 100."
Newbie: "Okay."

New School: "Add the numbers up, but you always treat '0' as '10'."
Newbie: "Then why doesn't it just say '10'? It says '10' on the d12 and d20."
New School: "Ummmm...gotta go!" *runs*

To me, it's never been a matter of ones place and tens place (unless I was using 2d10 instead of d%). You always just added the dice, and there was the one exception that 0+00=100, which seemed fairly logical to me...
If they're going to put in this new system of dice adding, they should change the 0 to an actual 10.
I can see fights breaking out when a DM rolls on a table, and has to fight with the players about whether it was a 90 or a 100... :P
Seeker95
10-23-05, 02:18 PM I can see fights breaking out when a DM rolls on a table, and has to fight with the players about whether it was a 90 or a 100... :POnce. Only once. And the DM wins.
Slyde Shadowdart
10-23-05, 04:06 PM To get 100, you'd need to roll 10 on one die, and 90 on the other.

It's now a matter of adding the two dice rather than using a "Tens place" and "Ones place", like we're used to.

And that's retarded. Is this "official", and if so, was it invented for/by D20? Somehow I feel that I already know the answer to these questions. :rolleyes:
Seeker95
10-23-05, 04:24 PM And that's retarded.Just because our old way makes sense to us doesn't mean it inherently makes sense.

Old Old Way: (Before the 00-90 die was used) The 0 on the die means zero, unless you roll two 0's, in which case the first zero is a ten, and the second zero is a ten, and you multiply the two together to get one hundred.

New Old Way: (With the 10-00 dice) The 00-90 die is the "tens" die, and 00 is zero. Except when you roll a 0 on the "ones" die. Then (and only then) the 00 is one hundred and the 0 is still a zero.

New Way: Roll the dice. 0 = ten; 00 = zero. Add them together. Always.

I still like the old way better, but the new way is far from retarded. It uses real math.

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Jagyr Ebonwood 10-22-05, 01:18 PM	Look here. (http://www.trollandtoad.com/Supplies-%26-Dice/1371-483-1204-1225p1n10.html) What is this to you? I've always called this "a d%" when typed, and "a percentile die" or "dee percentile" when spoken. As a side comment, two of these dice, or one of these and a d10, are typed as "d%" and refered to as "percentile dice". Okay, now go here. (http://www.wizards.com/playdnd/dndhost.asp?jumpto=dice) Click on the purple die. This official, WotC site, says that this (http://www.trollandtoad.com/Supplies-%26-Dice/1371-483-1204-1225p1n10.html) is called a "d90"? Am I the only one who's never heard of this? :confused:
howlingwolf 10-22-05, 01:23 PM	2d10. Tens and units piece of pie. And BTW. Those sites don't like someone stealing their bandwidth apparently. :rimshot:
Jagyr Ebonwood 10-22-05, 01:32 PM	Those sites don't like someone stealing their bandwidth apparently. Unfortunately, they also appear to be the only sites on the net with standalone "d90" pictures... :ahem: Changed to links...
Jagyr Ebonwood 10-22-05, 01:36 PM	2d10. Tens and units piece of pie. Yes, that's what I would call two dice numbered 0-9. What would you call a single die numbered 00-90? If we call the 0-9 die a d10, why should the 00-90 die be called a d90?
rbrt_Spade 10-22-05, 01:43 PM	who knows? that die i think is for other game systems like gurps. i just have the normal dice used with the d20 system. ive seen 100siders,9siders and other crazy things. anybody else?
q'afuu 10-22-05, 01:46 PM	If we call the 0-9 die a d10, why should the 00-90 die be called a d90? Well, a 0-9 die is actually a 1-10 die, whether it has a 0 or a 10 on it: the result of the die roll is not meant to ever be 0. A d4 is a die that rolls up to 4. A d6 is a die that rolls up to 6. A d8 is a die that rolls up to 8. A d10 is a die that rolls up to 10. A d12 is a die that rolls up to 12. A d20 is a die that rolls up to 20. A d90 is a die that rolls up to 90. :) Simple, no? Since most people don't have a real percentile die (0-100), they have to use 2 10-sided dice. It's easier to be able to refer to the d10 and the d90 than 'the one for the units and the one for the tens'.
Jagyr Ebonwood 10-22-05, 01:57 PM	Well, a 0-9 die is actually a 1-10 die, whether it has a 0 or a 10 on it: the result of the die roll is not meant to ever be 0. ... A d90 is a die that rolls up to 90. :) Simple, no? That's kind of my point... If the 0 on a d10 is considered to be 10, it follows that the 00 on a "d90" is considered to be 100. This is correct as far as I know... So, the "d90" actually rolls up to 100. Did they call it that because a d100 already exists? My theory is that they made this silly name in conjunction with the D&D Basic Game (the page that I found the term"d90" on was part of the D&D Basic Game introductive interactive page thingy...). I guess it's easier for people who have never seen a die with more then six sides to understand "d90" rather than "d%" or "d00". This of course begs the question...why didn't "d10" become "d9"? Or is that something we won't see til 4e? (j/k) ;)
q'afuu 10-22-05, 02:37 PM	That's kind of my point... If the 0 on a d10 is considered to be 10, it follows that the 00 on a "d90" is considered to be 100. This is correct as far as I know... So, the "d90" actually rolls up to 100.No, it's not and no, it doesn't. :) A percentile roll has to result in a number varying from 1 to 100. Zero is excluded. If the 00 on a d90 would equal 100 and the 0 on a d10 still equals 10, you couldn't get 1-9 as your percentile result, but you could get 101-110 instead. Obviously, that's not right. The only combo of two 10-sided dice that will result in a proper percentile is one d10 for the units, going from 1 to 10, and the other d10 for the tens going from 0 to 90. Anything else will result in errors. Of course, you could just as easily refer to 1d0 and 1d00 or something similar to denote the two dice that make up a percentile roll, but I guess WotC thinks that looks silly.
Seeker95 10-22-05, 02:40 PM	I've clicked on all 3 links and can't find anything that refers to a "d90"
q'afuu 10-22-05, 02:44 PM	I've clicked on all 3 links and can't find anything that refers to a "d90" Use the second link. Position your mouse cursor over the purple die (right-middle). Read the text that appears in the middle of the screen.
Jagyr Ebonwood 10-22-05, 02:47 PM	No, it's not and no, it doesn't. :) A percentile roll has to result in a number varying from 1 to 100. Zero is excluded. If the 00 on a d90 would equal 100 and the 0 on a d10 still equals 10, you couldn't get 1-9 as your percentile result, but you could get 101-110 instead. Obviously, that's not right. The only combo of two 10-sided dice that will result in a proper percentile is one d10 for the units, going from 1 to 10, and the other d10 for the tens going from 0 to 90. Anything else will result in errors. Of course, you could just as easily refer to 1d0 and 1d00 or something similar to denote the two dice that make up a percentile roll, but I guess WotC thinks that looks silly. I meant that, when rolled by itself, a "00" on a d90 would mean 100, because it can't mean zero. Of course, why anyone would need to generate a multiple of 10 between 10 and 100 is beyond me. :P Also, I always thought of it like this: You roll the dice and add the two numbers. If the total is zero (00+0), it's counted as 100 instead. I guess that's where our differing views come from. Seeker95: When you click the second link, a green screen with various dice will load. On the right side, hold your cursor over the purple 10 sided die. Text appears in the middle of the screen denoting the two 10 sided dice as "percentile dice", and saying that their types are "one d10 and one d90".
Seeker95 10-22-05, 02:53 PM	jagyr and q'afuu: thanks. That window kept popping up behind the other link I had already generated.
Slyde Shadowdart 10-22-05, 02:59 PM	The one labelled 1-0 I've always referred to as a d10 or ten-sider. The one labelled 00-90 I've always referred to as a percentile die. Together, they form.....<<drumroll>> percentile dice. :)
Seeker95 10-22-05, 03:57 PM	Together, they form.....<<drumroll>> percentile dice. :)Plurals are fun. And they don't always require adding 's'!
General_Ridley 10-22-05, 04:23 PM	They are both d10s and can be used individually as d10s. together they make a d%.
Darrett 10-22-05, 05:01 PM	I meant that, when rolled by itself, a "00" on a d90 would mean 100, because it can't mean zero. Of course, why anyone would need to generate a multiple of 10 between 10 and 100 is beyond me. :P Also, I always thought of it like this: You roll the dice and add the two numbers. If the total is zero (00+0), it's counted as 100 instead. I guess that's where our differing views come from. Seeker95: When you click the second link, a green screen with various dice will load. On the right side, hold your cursor over the purple 10 sided die. Text appears in the middle of the screen denoting the two 10 sided dice as "percentile dice", and saying that their types are "one d10 and one d90". My groups have always referred to them as D100s, or Percentile dice. Never heard of D90 before.
SirCaran 10-22-05, 07:12 PM	The way i see it is that the 00 is like the Ace in Blackjack if you roll "00" and "1" the result is "1" if you roll "00" and "0" it is "100"
ORC_Paradox 10-23-05, 09:09 AM	The Dicemaster is here. Okay, old school- Roll a 0 on the tens and 00 on the other one and you get a result of 100. New format- add both dice together. So, if you roll a ten on the first one, and 00 on the other, the result is ten. 1 on the first die, 00 on the second, result is 1. To get 100, you'd need to roll 10 on one die, and 90 on the other. It's now a matter of adding the two dice rather than using a "Tens place" and "Ones place", like we're used to.
Jagyr Ebonwood 10-23-05, 12:11 PM	The Dicemaster is here. Okay, old school- Roll a 0 on the tens and 00 on the other one and you get a result of 100. New format- add both dice together. So, if you roll a ten on the first one, and 00 on the other, the result is ten. 1 on the first die, 00 on the second, result is 1. To get 100, you'd need to roll 10 on one die, and 90 on the other. It's now a matter of adding the two dice rather than using a "Tens place" and "Ones place", like we're used to. So, has the "0" on a d10 been replaced by "10"? That's the only way I see this being less confusing to newbies... Old School: "Add the numbers up, and if you get zero, treat it as 100." Newbie: "Okay." New School: "Add the numbers up, but you always treat '0' as '10'." Newbie: "Then why doesn't it just say '10'? It says '10' on the d12 and d20." New School: "Ummmm...gotta go!" runs To me, it's never been a matter of ones place and tens place (unless I was using 2d10 instead of d%). You always just added the dice, and there was the one exception that 0+00=100, which seemed fairly logical to me... If they're going to put in this new system of dice adding, they should change the 0 to an actual 10. I can see fights breaking out when a DM rolls on a table, and has to fight with the players about whether it was a 90 or a 100... :P
Seeker95 10-23-05, 02:18 PM	I can see fights breaking out when a DM rolls on a table, and has to fight with the players about whether it was a 90 or a 100... :POnce. Only once. And the DM wins.
Slyde Shadowdart 10-23-05, 04:06 PM	To get 100, you'd need to roll 10 on one die, and 90 on the other. It's now a matter of adding the two dice rather than using a "Tens place" and "Ones place", like we're used to. And that's retarded. Is this "official", and if so, was it invented for/by D20? Somehow I feel that I already know the answer to these questions. :rolleyes:
Seeker95 10-23-05, 04:24 PM	And that's retarded.Just because our old way makes sense to us doesn't mean it inherently makes sense. Old Old Way: (Before the 00-90 die was used) The 0 on the die means zero, unless you roll two 0's, in which case the first zero is a ten, and the second zero is a ten, and you multiply the two together to get one hundred. New Old Way: (With the 10-00 dice) The 00-90 die is the "tens" die, and 00 is zero. Except when you roll a 0 on the "ones" die. Then (and only then) the 00 is one hundred and the 0 is still a zero. New Way: Roll the dice. 0 = ten; 00 = zero. Add them together. Always. I still like the old way better, but the new way is far from retarded. It uses real math.