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Griz 10-22-05, 04:42 PM	My D&D group recently converted to 3.5 from 2nd Edition, and I have a question about size categories. We had a human character in our last campaign that was 9’0” tall. The rules for 2nd edition state that a 10’ tall creature is considered “Large”, while a 9’ creature is considered “Medium”. I’m now the DM and I want to bring this character over from 2nd edition to 3.5 for a cameo role and my PC’s are probably going to end up fighting him. I’ve done a conversion on the character using the “Dungeons & Dragons Conversion Manuel”, and have the character mostly setup. As I was doing all this I realized that I can’t find any information on size categories. What I mean to say is that the PHB, DM manual and Monster Manuel basically tell you that humans are “Medium”, Orcs are “large”, and Halflings are “Small“, but I can’t find anything that assigns actual height values to these categories. Does anyone know of a reference I can use for this? I could just assume that a 9’ human is still considered medium, but I find it odd that there is no reference material for this.
General_Ridley 10-22-05, 04:57 PM	Ogres are large, Orcs are medium. normally 9' would be considered large (Large creatures have been known to be as short as 6'8" and up to about 12 or 13 feet tall) but since he's a human, he would still be medium. Best I can do for you.
ieattrollsforbreakfast 10-22-05, 06:41 PM	The size categories double in size each time, as follows: Fine = 6in or less Diminutive = 6in to 1ft Tiny = 1ft to 2ft Small = 2ft to 4ft Medium = 4ft to 8ft Large = 8ft to 16ft Huge = 16ft to 32ft Gargantuan = 32ft to 64ft Colossal = 64ft or more These, and other details relating to size, can be found on pg 314 of the MM. So a 9ft human would be large, and is roughly the same height as a troll or ogre. That would give your human a -1 penalty to AC and attack rolls, a +4 bonus to grapple checks, a -4 penalty to Hide checks and a reach of 10ft. I would advise a +1 level adjustment to balance the obvious benefits of 10ft reach. In short, that just means he should be one level lower than the other characters, but have the same starting gold and gain experience the same as the other characters.
Archangel_James 10-23-05, 12:40 AM	If I were DMing, the 9 ft. human would still be medium, simply for the sake of balance. If you make him Large then you have to worry about level adjustments modifiers and what not.
Tyler Do'Urden 10-23-05, 01:18 AM	If I were DMing, there's no way in hell a human would be 9 feet tall without magic or heavy penalties ('cause Robert Wadlow was actually quite fragile). There's a table in the Description chapter where you can roll for your character's height and weight. They give ranges for the minimums and maximums possible for each race. Human males are Medium because they run between 5'0" and 6'6" tall, so if you just pick something, it should be within this range. But your 9' tall conversion freak should be the bottom end of Large. That'd be a -1 to attacks and AC, a -4 to Hide checks, and a +4 to grapple and disarm checks, probably some other modifiers I can't remember off the top of my head. He'd also have reach and would use Large weapons, which is almost worth a +1 Level Adjustment in and of itself.
SALDAR 10-23-05, 01:50 AM	In the Monster Manual, pg 314, is a table for creature size. It doesn't specifically state such but in our game a creature must meet both the Dimension and Weight to be considered a creature of that size. For example a large creature must be at least 8 feet tall (or long) and weigh 500 lbs or more to be Large size.
Griz 10-23-05, 07:54 PM	That was all good stuff. Especially the 314 page reference in the MM.
SALDAR 10-23-05, 09:15 PM	Your welcome.