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Did you notice? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Xaxor
02-16-04, 10:07 PM Epic level stuff has been added to the SRD. Just thought I should point it out. It caught me by surprise. Just follow the link in my sig.
Kaya Kenobi
02-16-04, 10:23 PM Originally posted by Xaxor
Epic level stuff has been added to the SRD. Just thought I should point it out. It caught me by surprise. Just follow the link in my sig.

Only certain EL stuff, though...
Zherog
02-16-04, 11:16 PM That's still better than none! That allows third party publishers to use those rules. I'm curious to see what they come up with.
Ranger REG
02-17-04, 03:10 AM Ehh. Old news.
aldymnor
02-17-04, 03:14 AM That's because Epic level stuff came into the DMG 3.5.
Mr.Waesel
02-17-04, 11:24 AM Originally posted by Zherog
That's still better than none! That allows third party publishers to use those rules. I'm curious to see what they come up with.

Me too. Let's hope it's better than the 3rd party stuff I'm used to.
Ranger REG
02-18-04, 02:24 AM Originally posted by aldymnor

That's because Epic level stuff came into the DMG 3.5.
Actually, I think they're refering to the Epic-Level Handbook material being added to the 3.5e SRD.

It's still old news, since they posted it up last month (I believe on the 24th day).
Kaya Kenobi
02-18-04, 04:56 AM Originally posted by Ranger REG
Actually, I think they're refering to the Epic-Level Handbook material being added to the 3.5e SRD.

It's still old news, since they posted it up last month (I believe on the 24th day).

July 21, 2003.
diaglo
02-18-04, 10:40 AM Originally posted by Kaya Kenobi
July 21, 2003.

no silly. that was the release of the 3.5edSRD

the EL stuff and the Psionic stuff was added last month.
Capn Charlie
02-18-04, 11:12 AM The epic level stuff (at least one document worth) has been in the 3.5 SRD I downloaded months ago. Albeit, I haven't read it much. But the Doc is there.
Zherog
02-18-04, 11:41 AM There is indeed a document that has been in the 3.5 SRD from the start. This covers the stuff that was in the DMG.

but as diaglo mentioned, last month they added a bunch more from the Epic Level Handbook.
Kaya Kenobi
02-18-04, 03:35 PM odd.... That is a lot of new stuff... 11 documents worth..
Zherog
02-18-04, 03:39 PM Yeah, I know. It rocks! :D
Kaya Kenobi
02-18-04, 03:52 PM Originally posted by Zherog
Yeah, I know. It rocks! :D

I didn't know what you guys were talking about until I actually saw them.. :D Silly me..
Zherog
02-18-04, 04:25 PM That's OK, Kaya. We still like you. :D
KelanenPrinceofSwords
02-18-04, 04:27 PM I have played D&D in its various incarnations for 20 years now (of course, the first few years were more like reading the books to figure out the actual rules and diggin' the nifty artwork . . . ), and more than half the time, I DM. I've run a few campaigns into "epic" levels, one in 2nd ed (prior to Epic rules, of course) where characters went to 26th or 27th level over 2 years, one in 3rd ed. where the campaign was based on Middle Ages Europe but with fantasy elements, and the heroes reached 30th level or so, and now approaching epic levels in a 3.5 ed campaign set in Greyhawk - PCs are about 16th level. Is it just me, or does the game start to get a little cheesey at high levels? Right around the high teens (in levels of PCs), I usually start to miss the gritty sense of potential death and maiming that infuses a good campaign during the party's early days. Not that high and epic level PCs can't be maimed or killed, but it sure takes a whole lot more suspension of disbelief. (Where were all these high-level dudes and world-gobbling demigod-dragons when we were low levels?)
Zherog
02-18-04, 04:30 PM You are correct, Kelanen. High Level play does indeed get a bit cheesier. As for this:

(Where were all these high-level dudes and world-gobbling demigod-dragons when we were low levels?)

My explanation for that is often one of three things:

1) They were always there, the players just never noticed because they didn't "travel in those circles" before.
2) The BBEG "grew up" with the PC's
3) Planar travel is also available to bad guys :devil:
KelanenPrinceofSwords
02-18-04, 05:20 PM Yup, Zherog, those are the same explanations I usually use. But I can only do it for so long, before I start to miss the simlicity of low to mid level games. Of course, I have noticed that as power levels peak and increases in power slow down, some power-gamers actually begin to role-play their characters. I guess they get bored waiting to level and decide to try it out!
Kaya Kenobi
02-18-04, 05:59 PM aye... World gobbling evil monsters suddenly appeared out of nowhere to destroy the world.. Yep.. Done it before..

Also did this once:

The PCs were really angering a few of the gods, and they sent several tarasques after the PCs.
Ranger REG
02-19-04, 04:42 AM Originally posted by Kaya Kenobi

odd.... That is a lot of new stuff... 11 documents worth..
THOSE are what I am referring to, presumably taken from the Epic-Level Handbook, updated to the 3.5e material first found in the D&D Revised Core Rulebooks.

:smirk:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Xaxor 02-16-04, 10:07 PM	Epic level stuff has been added to the SRD. Just thought I should point it out. It caught me by surprise. Just follow the link in my sig.
Kaya Kenobi 02-16-04, 10:23 PM	Originally posted by Xaxor Epic level stuff has been added to the SRD. Just thought I should point it out. It caught me by surprise. Just follow the link in my sig. Only certain EL stuff, though...
Zherog 02-16-04, 11:16 PM	That's still better than none! That allows third party publishers to use those rules. I'm curious to see what they come up with.
Ranger REG 02-17-04, 03:10 AM	Ehh. Old news.
aldymnor 02-17-04, 03:14 AM	That's because Epic level stuff came into the DMG 3.5.
Mr.Waesel 02-17-04, 11:24 AM	Originally posted by Zherog That's still better than none! That allows third party publishers to use those rules. I'm curious to see what they come up with. Me too. Let's hope it's better than the 3rd party stuff I'm used to.
Ranger REG 02-18-04, 02:24 AM	Originally posted by aldymnor That's because Epic level stuff came into the DMG 3.5. Actually, I think they're refering to the Epic-Level Handbook material being added to the 3.5e SRD. It's still old news, since they posted it up last month (I believe on the 24th day).
Kaya Kenobi 02-18-04, 04:56 AM	Originally posted by Ranger REG Actually, I think they're refering to the Epic-Level Handbook material being added to the 3.5e SRD. It's still old news, since they posted it up last month (I believe on the 24th day). July 21, 2003.
diaglo 02-18-04, 10:40 AM	Originally posted by Kaya Kenobi July 21, 2003. no silly. that was the release of the 3.5edSRD the EL stuff and the Psionic stuff was added last month.
Capn Charlie 02-18-04, 11:12 AM	The epic level stuff (at least one document worth) has been in the 3.5 SRD I downloaded months ago. Albeit, I haven't read it much. But the Doc is there.
Zherog 02-18-04, 11:41 AM	There is indeed a document that has been in the 3.5 SRD from the start. This covers the stuff that was in the DMG. but as diaglo mentioned, last month they added a bunch more from the Epic Level Handbook.
Kaya Kenobi 02-18-04, 03:35 PM	odd.... That is a lot of new stuff... 11 documents worth..
Zherog 02-18-04, 03:39 PM	Yeah, I know. It rocks! :D
Kaya Kenobi 02-18-04, 03:52 PM	Originally posted by Zherog Yeah, I know. It rocks! :D I didn't know what you guys were talking about until I actually saw them.. :D Silly me..
Zherog 02-18-04, 04:25 PM	That's OK, Kaya. We still like you. :D
KelanenPrinceofSwords 02-18-04, 04:27 PM	I have played D&D in its various incarnations for 20 years now (of course, the first few years were more like reading the books to figure out the actual rules and diggin' the nifty artwork . . . ), and more than half the time, I DM. I've run a few campaigns into "epic" levels, one in 2nd ed (prior to Epic rules, of course) where characters went to 26th or 27th level over 2 years, one in 3rd ed. where the campaign was based on Middle Ages Europe but with fantasy elements, and the heroes reached 30th level or so, and now approaching epic levels in a 3.5 ed campaign set in Greyhawk - PCs are about 16th level. Is it just me, or does the game start to get a little cheesey at high levels? Right around the high teens (in levels of PCs), I usually start to miss the gritty sense of potential death and maiming that infuses a good campaign during the party's early days. Not that high and epic level PCs can't be maimed or killed, but it sure takes a whole lot more suspension of disbelief. (Where were all these high-level dudes and world-gobbling demigod-dragons when we were low levels?)
Zherog 02-18-04, 04:30 PM	You are correct, Kelanen. High Level play does indeed get a bit cheesier. As for this: (Where were all these high-level dudes and world-gobbling demigod-dragons when we were low levels?) My explanation for that is often one of three things: 1) They were always there, the players just never noticed because they didn't "travel in those circles" before. 2) The BBEG "grew up" with the PC's 3) Planar travel is also available to bad guys :devil:
KelanenPrinceofSwords 02-18-04, 05:20 PM	Yup, Zherog, those are the same explanations I usually use. But I can only do it for so long, before I start to miss the simlicity of low to mid level games. Of course, I have noticed that as power levels peak and increases in power slow down, some power-gamers actually begin to role-play their characters. I guess they get bored waiting to level and decide to try it out!
Kaya Kenobi 02-18-04, 05:59 PM	aye... World gobbling evil monsters suddenly appeared out of nowhere to destroy the world.. Yep.. Done it before.. Also did this once: The PCs were really angering a few of the gods, and they sent several tarasques after the PCs.
Ranger REG 02-19-04, 04:42 AM	Originally posted by Kaya Kenobi odd.... That is a lot of new stuff... 11 documents worth.. THOSE are what I am referring to, presumably taken from the Epic-Level Handbook, updated to the 3.5e material first found in the D&D Revised Core Rulebooks. :smirk: