Post/Author/DateTime	Post
otto333 02-04-06, 08:18 PM	Alright......... I don't know the difference bettween a diplomancy role for an NPC and role playing as an NPC with the charcaters. I am the DM in my group. I dont use diplomancy checks because I don't know when to use them. What we do in the group is I role play as the NPCs and they are roleplaying as the PCs. Whenever there is an arguement bettween the PCs and NPCs we actually argue and persuade eachother. So when should I use a diplomancy check?
Seanamal 02-04-06, 10:16 PM	Alright......... I don't know the difference bettween a diplomancy role for an NPC and role playing as an NPC with the charcaters. I am the DM in my group. I dont use diplomancy checks because I don't know when to use them. What we do in the group is I role play as the NPCs and they are roleplaying as the PCs. Whenever there is an arguement bettween the PCs and NPCs we actually argue and persuade eachother. So when should I use a diplomancy check? Ok diplomacy checks are never made against the pcs by an npc (though they can be made by one npc against another npc.) The purpose of a diplomacy roll is to see if you've made someone come to your way of thinking. Since a roll can't change a players mind it can't change a pc's mind either. Now when a player role plays an arguement well they should get a non-specific bonus to their diplomacy roll. Essentailly diplomacy is a measure of ones manners and eloquince. You should use diplomacy whenever a PC is trying to convince an NPC to do somthing (if a PC is trying to convince an NPC OF something that's a bluff check.) For example, your party's rogue want's the cityguard to let a mindflayer into town, this would require a diplomacy check. To convince them that the mindflayer is harmless and won't cause trouble is a bluff check.
otto333 02-04-06, 10:44 PM	thank you
Waterhammer 02-04-06, 10:46 PM	The way you do it is fine otto333, but you can use the diplomacy check if ever you're not sure how an NPC would react to a particular line. I've had to do this many times as the players had some good stuff, but I just couldn't buy it; thus the die roll to see if the NPC did. As Seanimal has stated the PC actions are entirely up to them. So if an NPC wants them to do something it's up to you as DM to convince them to do it.
Vaelan 02-05-06, 12:42 AM	I really wish people would stop telling others that their house rules are anything more than house rules, even if it is due to ignorance. Here is what Diplomacy actually does. Diplomacy affects the attitude of an NPC towards a PC or another NPC. These attitudes are outlined on page 72 of the PHB. Diplomacy determines who gets the upper hand in a negotiation. Diplomacy resolves situations in which two parties are arguing opposite cases before a third party. As for practical application, the last two applications are obvious. The first one is where most of the misconceptions stem from. When you wish to get somebody to agree to something, you roll Diplomacy. This Diplomacy check determines the NPC's attitude. Their attitude, along with the NPC's personality and values, will determine their response.
Waterhammer 02-05-06, 01:00 PM	No role-playing,just roll the bones...
green_yawgmoth 02-05-06, 04:47 PM	Diplomancy sounds like a diplomat necromancer. Hello new character concept! :D http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/yawgmoth/kittyjig.gif
Elven Doritos 02-05-06, 05:02 PM	Diplomancy sounds like a diplomat necromancer. Hello new character concept! :D http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/yawgmoth/kittyjig.gif You beat me to it! -Elven Doritos