Post/Author/DateTime	Post
TrojanAx 04-12-04, 01:59 PM	I am looking for a good cloak for my 12th lvl all purpose charger or grappler. I am looking at the cloak of displacement (major or minor) to make me missable with my horrible AC and to be immune to sneak attacks. My question is if displacement is still viable in a grapple. Like I know it would not effect my roll, but would his opposed roll have a miss chance, and would his escape, grapple me, or attack me in a grapple keep the miss chance?? I can not find anywhere that says a grapple removes miss chance, but having a concealment bonus and then going into grabs and arm locks sort of seemed that it may no longer be based so much on a miss chance. Thanks for amy input
Mahali Audran 04-12-04, 04:41 PM	No miss chance in a grapple because they're never making an attack roll. It's a an opposed grapple check to deal damage.
TrojanAx 04-12-04, 05:58 PM	But in a grapple where an attack is at -4 the miss chance does apply?
Mahali Audran 04-13-04, 04:14 PM	Anyone making "to hit" rolls would suffer the miss chance. When you're grappling you're not rolling to hit. You're are making opposed checks, when if sucessful you may damage the oponent with unarmed damage or a light weapon. No chance to score a critical or get sneak attack.