Disruption...What is the whole point? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Disruption...What is the whole point? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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DemonDragonJ
11-01-05, 09:05 AM For those of you who read my thread about the vorpal weapon property, you will have a fairly good idea what this thread is about.

What is the point of the disruption weapon property even existing? It makes weapons far too powerful against undead creatures, and is completely useless otherwise.

Any opinions?
Escef
11-01-05, 09:24 AM What is the point of weapons at all? They can be disarmed, sundered, or stolen. And they don't even work effectively against many opponents. A monk's unarmed strike is just as (in)effective without the drawbacks, and it's free, so why bother?

In other words, you ask too many questions. :P
DrMorganes
11-01-05, 10:53 AM What is the point of the disruption weapon property even existing? It makes weapons far too powerful against undead creatures, and is completely useless otherwise.That's just it: it's a specialty enchantment. In games making heavy use of Libris Mortis, disrupting weapons would be highly desired. In a more balanced game, they make for nice flavor weapons or plot hooks.

Obviously, if you don't see the utility in the enhancement, you're free not to use it.
rbrt_Spade
11-01-05, 05:09 PM right, if the dm runs a heavy undead game, this enchantment for slaying them. its not bad +2 cost. a lot of monsters you will fight in a campaign is undead. the only time i think it is useless is when the party has a cleric with a high cha & the extra turning feat. whats with all of these enchantment threads?
Super_Demolition_Christ
11-01-05, 09:06 PM Isnt an undead bane weapon equally useless and valuable in the same way?

I mean, what use is a suite of armor with spell resistance in an entirly Psionic campaign(in the Psionics and magic are different version)

Or a Dragon orb in a world without any living dragons.

everything is useless exept in situations when it is not.
a_psh
11-01-05, 10:03 PM It's actually one of my favorite enhancements, as it nicely picks off enemies that can be particularly troublesome to melee (those with icky melee attacks like energy drain) in a few whacks.

Where it really rocks is against vampires: poof and they die, no need to go coffin-hunting.

In a party without a cleric, it can be very useful for one person to have this on a weapon, at least for a secondary (a fighter with disruption morningstar for backup or a monk with a disruption quarterstaff both work well).

Situations in which I like disruption:
1. You're trying to create a "golf bag" of useful weapons (e.g. a +1 disruption cold iron morningstar, a +1 holy silver longspear, a +1 adamantine human bane longsword, and a +1 flaming longbow). Such a character isn't too practical, but can be quite fun to play at high levels.
2. You are fighting a lot of undead in the campaign.
3. Your party gets together and decides how best to combine their abilities so that you can fight a variety of enemies, and you're appointed the anti-undead specialist.
4. You're a cleric or paladin who really, really hates undead. Just works nicely for the RP factor, I think.
Surgo
11-02-05, 01:11 AM It's great for a rogue, who becomes useless when undead come into play.
75RD Drum Clip
11-02-05, 09:53 AM For those of you who read my thread about the vorpal weapon property, you will have a fairly good idea what this thread is about.

What is the point of the disruption weapon property even existing? It makes weapons far too powerful against undead creatures, and is completely useless otherwise.

Any opinions?

I do not find it to be too powerful. Being a DM, I have control over what items are in my game. If I award such a weapon, I will be prepared to handle the in game consequences of it. The same goes for Vorpal and Sharpness weapons.
Phrennzy
11-02-05, 12:22 PM everything is useless exept in situations when it is not.

Whoa. That is so deep.
Outla
11-02-05, 12:37 PM "far too powerful against undead creatures, and is completely useless otherwise"

That IS the point. It's intentional.

Same thing applies to swords of dragon slaying (too powerful against dragons) and other specialty weapons. Some aren't even against a type of creature, but a particular person (Arrow of Amnius Barnicus Slaying would be good against Amnius Barnicus). Some DMs find such things useful for certain adventures. Other DMs make sure that their groups never get such unbalanced weapons.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
DemonDragonJ 11-01-05, 09:05 AM	For those of you who read my thread about the vorpal weapon property, you will have a fairly good idea what this thread is about. What is the point of the disruption weapon property even existing? It makes weapons far too powerful against undead creatures, and is completely useless otherwise. Any opinions?
Escef 11-01-05, 09:24 AM	What is the point of weapons at all? They can be disarmed, sundered, or stolen. And they don't even work effectively against many opponents. A monk's unarmed strike is just as (in)effective without the drawbacks, and it's free, so why bother? In other words, you ask too many questions. :P
DrMorganes 11-01-05, 10:53 AM	What is the point of the disruption weapon property even existing? It makes weapons far too powerful against undead creatures, and is completely useless otherwise.That's just it: it's a specialty enchantment. In games making heavy use of Libris Mortis, disrupting weapons would be highly desired. In a more balanced game, they make for nice flavor weapons or plot hooks. Obviously, if you don't see the utility in the enhancement, you're free not to use it.
rbrt_Spade 11-01-05, 05:09 PM	right, if the dm runs a heavy undead game, this enchantment for slaying them. its not bad +2 cost. a lot of monsters you will fight in a campaign is undead. the only time i think it is useless is when the party has a cleric with a high cha & the extra turning feat. whats with all of these enchantment threads?
Super_Demolition_Christ 11-01-05, 09:06 PM	Isnt an undead bane weapon equally useless and valuable in the same way? I mean, what use is a suite of armor with spell resistance in an entirly Psionic campaign(in the Psionics and magic are different version) Or a Dragon orb in a world without any living dragons. everything is useless exept in situations when it is not.
a_psh 11-01-05, 10:03 PM	It's actually one of my favorite enhancements, as it nicely picks off enemies that can be particularly troublesome to melee (those with icky melee attacks like energy drain) in a few whacks. Where it really rocks is against vampires: poof and they die, no need to go coffin-hunting. In a party without a cleric, it can be very useful for one person to have this on a weapon, at least for a secondary (a fighter with disruption morningstar for backup or a monk with a disruption quarterstaff both work well). Situations in which I like disruption: 1. You're trying to create a "golf bag" of useful weapons (e.g. a +1 disruption cold iron morningstar, a +1 holy silver longspear, a +1 adamantine human bane longsword, and a +1 flaming longbow). Such a character isn't too practical, but can be quite fun to play at high levels. 2. You are fighting a lot of undead in the campaign. 3. Your party gets together and decides how best to combine their abilities so that you can fight a variety of enemies, and you're appointed the anti-undead specialist. 4. You're a cleric or paladin who really, really hates undead. Just works nicely for the RP factor, I think.
Surgo 11-02-05, 01:11 AM	It's great for a rogue, who becomes useless when undead come into play.
75RD Drum Clip 11-02-05, 09:53 AM	For those of you who read my thread about the vorpal weapon property, you will have a fairly good idea what this thread is about. What is the point of the disruption weapon property even existing? It makes weapons far too powerful against undead creatures, and is completely useless otherwise. Any opinions? I do not find it to be too powerful. Being a DM, I have control over what items are in my game. If I award such a weapon, I will be prepared to handle the in game consequences of it. The same goes for Vorpal and Sharpness weapons.
Phrennzy 11-02-05, 12:22 PM	everything is useless exept in situations when it is not. Whoa. That is so deep.
Outla 11-02-05, 12:37 PM	"far too powerful against undead creatures, and is completely useless otherwise" That IS the point. It's intentional. Same thing applies to swords of dragon slaying (too powerful against dragons) and other specialty weapons. Some aren't even against a type of creature, but a particular person (Arrow of Amnius Barnicus Slaying would be good against Amnius Barnicus). Some DMs find such things useful for certain adventures. Other DMs make sure that their groups never get such unbalanced weapons.