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Barricade 09-13-06, 02:07 AM	Please forgive the n00b for diving in like this. "A discern location spell is among the most powerful means of locating creatures or objects. Nothing short of a mind blank spell or the direct intervention of a deity keeps you from learning the exact location of a single individual or object. Discern location circumvents normal means of protection from scrying or location. The spell reveals the name of the creature or object’s location (place, name, business name, building name, or the like), community, county (or similar political division), country, continent, and the plane of existence where the target lies. To find a creature with the spell, you must have seen the creature or have some item that once belonged to it. To find an object, you must have touched it at least once." My question is about the last paragraph - say you're a for lack of a better term 'grunt' soldier, low level knight, all your arms & armor belong to the King and you do not personally own them. Would Divination still work if a sword or a piece of armor was the object used by the caster? Also, what is the exact definition of 'seen the creature'? Example being you're in the middle of a huge battle with soldiers all wearing the same armor, helms completely covering their faces, same tabard/coat of arms under a king/prince/etc, and you see one of them performing extremely well, and get a full body look at them. Would that count, or because you can't make out specific individual markings (tattoos, scars, haircolor, etc) would it not work? This isn't for a rule-lawyering, just to solve a debate.
Queenjesus 09-14-06, 02:08 AM	I would rule that the divination would reveal the 'grunt' and not the king as it is based on a close personal affinity rather than ownership laws. If it was a generic sword or shield that was stored in a rack and used by many different soldiers (unlikely as I think each soldier would be assigned weaponry that was their responsibility to maintain) then I would say that was insufficient. As for having seen the person I would rule that you should be able to pick them out of an Identity parade, if there was doubt I'd throw in a spot check to find out if you remember enough details.