DMG2 Price Tag [Archive] - Wizards Community

DMG2 Price Tag [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Neomorte
06-07-05, 02:20 AM OUCH! 288 pages at a $40 price tag? What gives? I was really looking forward to this book. Now I am not so sure that I can justify spending my hard earned money on it.

Can someone please explain the price hike? If this trend continues, my purchasing days might be at an end. I am a dad of 4 kids and I have to buy them stuff too. WotC can't have all my green, dead presidents.

What in the world is going on?
Dragonsblood
06-07-05, 02:23 AM My guess is inflation/supply-demand :p
Thelandrach
06-07-05, 07:20 AM They putting out an extremely high-quality book, and charging as much as the traffic will bear. Those color backgrounds to every single page? That's probably adding at least five bucks. Full page color artwork? More money. They could probably be selling it for $30 if they did it all in black & white (like 1st edition), or mostly black & white (like 2nd), but their focus is off of selling great games and onto selling really good-looking games.

For my money, I'd be happy spending the $40 if they had printed it in b&w, taken the extra $10 per copy and done more play-testing and load-balancing.
Troll-Magus
06-07-05, 07:44 AM My guess is inflation/supply-demand :p

Pretty much dead on, though if you look around online you can easily find it for about $27.00.

In my opinion I find the video games for my son's Gamecube and Playstation 2 much more expensive, because they only last about 1-2 months and then he wants another one. $40 for a D&D book is a cheap luxury item that will last me several years.
Zachary The First
06-07-05, 10:26 AM Amazon has it for 26.37. That will likely go down in about 6 months, as well.
amethal
06-07-05, 12:41 PM Amazon has it for 26.37. That will likely go down in about 6 months, as well.Amazon.co.uk has it for Ł20 (basically 10% off US list price, using Amazon's exchange rate). That's a lot of money for one book.

Of course, I will need to look through it at my FLGS to see if I want it or not, and if I do decide to buy it then I'll buy it from my FLGS, so the amazon price is academic.
Neomorte
06-07-05, 12:48 PM Sure, I could buy it at Amazon or many other places online, but I prefer to support my local game shop. That portion of our community suffers enough. I would prefer to support them than an online store.

It is not completely beyond me to buy online, but only when absolutely necessary.
Skeane
06-07-05, 01:06 PM $40?

I've seen it online for $25.
Orcboss
06-07-05, 06:28 PM It is not completely beyond me to buy online, but only when absolutely necessary.

I no longer have an FLGS, but I can understand your point of view. The realy questions is whether your good feelings about loyalty are worth $15. I'm not telling you to choose either way, but that's pretty much what it comes down to.
Seeker95
06-07-05, 08:29 PM Sure, I could buy it at Amazon or many other places online, but I prefer to support my local game shop.I understand your intentions. I try to support my local gaming store as much as possible, but I do so through products with a local gaming store support revenue model. Basically, I buy everything *except* the rule books at the LGS.

If the gaming store industry would get its collective head out of its collective ABC and think like an industry, it might be a viable business model. Every time collective purchasing rises as a topic, the Local Gaming Stores refuse to join together. As long as they keep a "local means alone" attitude, they will continue to lose sales of higher ticket items to the collective purchasing agents / big boys.
Orcboss
06-08-05, 12:16 AM As long as they keep a "local means alone" attitude, they will continue to lose sales of higher ticket items to the collective purchasing agents / big boys.

All the game/comic/hobby stores in the world could get together in one giant price-fixing cartel and still not match the power of Walmart. Maybe, and I mean maybe, Amazon, but not Walmart. Hobby stores have to compete on service, atmosphere, and community. Things they can provide that a website can't (or at least not as well).
ImmortalBlueMage
06-08-05, 02:42 AM I don't care what it costs as long as it's worth the money when I'm done with it.
Ranger REG
06-08-05, 03:17 AM What in the world is going on?
Sequel are usually not as essential as the first one and don't usually sell well. If WotC could have accurately gauge that ALL DMG owners would want the sequel, they could bring down the price. Could.
Zachary The First
06-08-05, 03:20 AM Sequel are usually not as essential as the first one and don't usually sell well. If WotC could have accurately gauge that ALL DMG owners would want the sequel, they could bring down the price. Could.

Actually, I've heard preorders for DMG II are doing really well right now. Really well.
braindead345
06-08-05, 03:22 AM If the gaming store industry would get its collective head out of its collective ABC and think like an industry, it might be a viable business model. Every time collective purchasing rises as a topic, the Local Gaming Stores refuse to join together. As long as they keep a "local means alone" attitude, they will continue to lose sales of higher ticket items to the collective purchasing agents / big boys.

If you owned a LGS, and you had a competitor across town proposing to combine your order with theirs to get a better price; what would you say? Now think about this: Are you going to trust him to place your order or are you going to demand that you order for him? How are you going to settle payment and where is the order going to be sent? What are you going to do if he screws up the order? If you are responsible for placing the order, do you think your competitor will trust you?

Now, the big boys don't have to worry about this as much. They are big enough to demand the discounts and order enough product to make WotC happy. However, what they do have to worry about is too many layers of management, share-holders, and trying to predict the next best seller and getting enough copies. They could really care less about the RPG section of their stores. In fact, when did you last see a game book discounted at a one of the big boys? They only have the section to say they have it. The get complaints from the religous conservatives on a regular basis and would gladly dump WotC if it meant more business from not having a game section.

Compare that to LGS owner who puts his lifeblood into to his shop. He is there in some cases 6 or 7 days a week, sometimes open to close. He is risking it all to provide people like us with what we want and place to play. Sometimes its even difficult to put food on the table or to pay rent, but the LGS owner still does it. Why? He knows he will never turn his store into a nation wide chain or that he will never become a millionaire, but he doesn't care. He cares about making his customers feel special and valued. He knows the gaming industry and he listens to what you want.

I don't expect you to suddenly start buying everything at your LGS. I just believe that you get what you pay for. The question is, what do you get by spending your cash at the national chain stores? Personally, I think I will keep my money local by giving it to my LGS instead.
Zachary The First
06-08-05, 03:25 AM If ever won Powerball, I would open a huge LGS and stuff enough fundage in it to make sure we could lose money for 30 years and remain open. People need a place like that, I think. Online communities are great, but there's a...feel to a FLGS I wouldn't want to trade for anything else.

I personally buy all my dice, paint supplies, and minis from my FLGS. It's not a $40 book, but it's something I can afford to do to support them.
braindead345
06-08-05, 04:11 AM Dare to dream Zachary, I like your thinking. But go one better, own the shopping center and lease the rest of it out to cover taxes and upkeep.

If you want to save money at your LGS, ask them about paying well in advance of their order cut-off date. They might just sell it to you for 20% (or more) off cover price if they have your money up front. Or ask the owner if he can cut you a deal if you order one for every player in your group. If he can count on you & your friends to buy 5+ copies, he will consider it. No small retailer will turn down a guarnteed sale. Even if it isn't as large of mark-up as he wants, he'd rather have the inventory out of store.
Zachary The First
06-08-05, 05:27 AM Actually, that's a good point. At one FLGS, the owner would knock $5 off each book if you ordered 4 or more. We actually got a great discount when d20 modern hit the shelves that way....
MerricB
06-08-05, 11:50 AM OUCH! 288 pages at a $40 price tag? What gives? I was really looking forward to this book. Now I am not so sure that I can justify spending my hard earned money on it.

Can someone please explain the price hike?

Just regular inflation.

Three years ago, a 320 page book sold for $39.95 (Epic Level Handbook).
A few months ago, the Eberron book (320 pages) sold for $39.95

However, time catches up with us all, and now $39.95 only buys 288 pages.

The pricing scheme is now as follows:
$9.95* = 32 pages (e.g. Sons of Gruumsh)
$29.95 = 160 pages (e.g. Heroes of Battle)
$34.95 = 224 pages (e.g. Stormwrack)
$39.95 = 288 pages (e.g. DMG 2, Spell Compendium)

(* not confirmed)

Cheers!
Seeker95
06-08-05, 01:32 PM [...] still not match the power of Walmart. Maybe, and I mean maybe, Amazon, but not Walmart.I am confident that more RPG sales are lost to Amazon than to Walmart. So that would be a step in the right direction.
Zherog
06-08-05, 01:38 PM Indeed - I just purchased two books from Amazon yesterday. :D
Seeker95
06-08-05, 02:47 PM If you owned a LGS, and you had a competitor across town proposing to combine your order with theirs to get a better price; what would you say?When I worked for a small, mom-and-pop camera equipment and photography services store back in Indiana, we did just that. Suddenly we *could* get cameras and film and batteries at near-Walmart prices.Now think about this: Are you going to trust him to place your order or are you going to demand that you order for him?That's the beauty of an association. You don't have to trust your competitor down the street any more than he trusts you. I don't place an order for him and he doesn't place an order for me. We both place our orders through the Association distribution center.

Industry associations use collective bargaining to manage price control. Although Walmart will *always* be bigger than the combined local gaming shops, the local gaming shops are always going to be more in tune with gamers. If they can get their prices *closer* to Amazon and Walmart, they will see a lot more of those hardback orders come directly through them rather than through Amazon. And with the number of publishers that are remaining in the gaming industry, it wouldn't even require a huge amount of logistics. Walmart has hundreds of producers it needs to bargain with. The FLGS only needs to do so with about a dozen or so. The small publishers can't really meet Amazon's demands, so they get together and publish through the same four or five companies to achieve the same effect.

Why shouldn't the local gaming stores do the same?
braindead345
06-09-05, 01:26 AM When I worked for a small, mom-and-pop camera equipment and photography services store back in Indiana, we did just that. Suddenly we *could* get cameras and film and batteries at near-Walmart prices.That's the beauty of an association. You don't have to trust your competitor down the street any more than he trusts you. I don't place an order for him and he doesn't place an order for me. We both place our orders through the Association distribution center.

Industry associations use collective bargaining to manage price control. Although Walmart will *always* be bigger than the combined local gaming shops, the local gaming shops are always going to be more in tune with gamers. If they can get their prices *closer* to Amazon and Walmart, they will see a lot more of those hardback orders come directly through them rather than through Amazon. And with the number of publishers that are remaining in the gaming industry, it wouldn't even require a huge amount of logistics. Walmart has hundreds of producers it needs to bargain with. The FLGS only needs to do so with about a dozen or so. The small publishers can't really meet Amazon's demands, so they get together and publish through the same four or five companies to achieve the same effect.

Why shouldn't the local gaming stores do the same?

The inustry trade group makes sense, and I worked for a small retailer who relied on one before. The problem is organizing it, communicating with the retailers and getting the stuff to the stores on time. The cost of operating such a group is tricky to calculate. How much will membership cost and what do you get for being a member? Remember that most retailers go through the same distributor for all their product right now. The trade group would just become a distributor to rival Diamond Comics.

What can a trade group offer over Diamond, especially if your FLGS carries comic books too?
Baned
06-09-05, 09:44 AM I'll probably end up getting DMG2 from Amazon.

It's hard for me to get D&D stuff.

My local Walmart doesn't even have D&D stuff. The only thing I can find with WotC on it (Not counting games like Temple of Elemental Evil) is the Star Wars minis they brought in for Episode III, kind of. A friend of mine got the starter set, and now he can't find Expansions anywhere locally.

I also have no local hobby shops, except one, but they only have dice and old 2E adventures that never sold.

Our local Sam Goody closed down prior to 3.5's release. That's where I got my 3.0 books. Their rewards program was nice, because I was always getting $5 off certificates in the mail.

I'm not aware of discount/reward programs offered Waldenbooks, which is now my only place to buy D&D books locally.

So when 3.5 came out, I was stuck with Amazon. I did get all 3 core books for about $67, free shipping. MSRP was $30/book if I recall.
ccerose
06-09-05, 12:35 PM I've picked up all my rule books from my LGS, aside from MM2 & 3. The owner usually gives a discount. Not as high as Amazon, but generally between $5 and $8 off the sticker price. I think it's especially fair in my case because my gaming group plays at the shop after closing hours.
Orcboss
06-09-05, 12:47 PM My local Walmart doesn't even have D&D stuff.

Mine either, but since my FLGS owner went into retirement (again), I've picked up about half my recent stuff from walmart.com.
Ranger REG
06-11-05, 07:19 AM Actually, I've heard preorders for DMG II are doing really well right now. Really well.
Perhaps, but I'm skeptical that ALL DMG owners are going to pick up DMG II. Still, it would be a sweet profitable bonus for WotC if they do. :smirk:
The Rooster
06-11-05, 01:21 PM I'm sure the prices will continue to slowly rise until any loss in sales dictates the price is too high. It's unfortunate, but unlikely to change.

Rooster
GreyLord
06-11-05, 01:44 PM Its probably because I don't have to worry about money as much as I did in High School or College, and am not one of those students that I don't worry about price. In fact the price doesn't bother or worry me. I'm more concerned about whether or not I can use the content. So if I buy mine it will probably be at a bookstore such as Barnes and Nobles or Borders where I can look through the actual contents of the DMG2 and see if I could use it or not.
Ranger REG
06-14-05, 05:45 AM So if I buy mine it will probably be at a bookstore such as Barnes and Nobles or Borders where I can look through the actual contents of the DMG2 and see if I could use it or not.
That is smart shopping. :smirk:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Neomorte 06-07-05, 02:20 AM	OUCH! 288 pages at a $40 price tag? What gives? I was really looking forward to this book. Now I am not so sure that I can justify spending my hard earned money on it. Can someone please explain the price hike? If this trend continues, my purchasing days might be at an end. I am a dad of 4 kids and I have to buy them stuff too. WotC can't have all my green, dead presidents. What in the world is going on?
Dragonsblood 06-07-05, 02:23 AM	My guess is inflation/supply-demand :p
Thelandrach 06-07-05, 07:20 AM	They putting out an extremely high-quality book, and charging as much as the traffic will bear. Those color backgrounds to every single page? That's probably adding at least five bucks. Full page color artwork? More money. They could probably be selling it for $30 if they did it all in black & white (like 1st edition), or mostly black & white (like 2nd), but their focus is off of selling great games and onto selling really good-looking games. For my money, I'd be happy spending the $40 if they had printed it in b&w, taken the extra $10 per copy and done more play-testing and load-balancing.
Troll-Magus 06-07-05, 07:44 AM	My guess is inflation/supply-demand :p Pretty much dead on, though if you look around online you can easily find it for about $27.00. In my opinion I find the video games for my son's Gamecube and Playstation 2 much more expensive, because they only last about 1-2 months and then he wants another one. $40 for a D&D book is a cheap luxury item that will last me several years.
Zachary The First 06-07-05, 10:26 AM	Amazon has it for 26.37. That will likely go down in about 6 months, as well.
amethal 06-07-05, 12:41 PM	Amazon has it for 26.37. That will likely go down in about 6 months, as well.Amazon.co.uk has it for Ł20 (basically 10% off US list price, using Amazon's exchange rate). That's a lot of money for one book. Of course, I will need to look through it at my FLGS to see if I want it or not, and if I do decide to buy it then I'll buy it from my FLGS, so the amazon price is academic.
Neomorte 06-07-05, 12:48 PM	Sure, I could buy it at Amazon or many other places online, but I prefer to support my local game shop. That portion of our community suffers enough. I would prefer to support them than an online store. It is not completely beyond me to buy online, but only when absolutely necessary.
Skeane 06-07-05, 01:06 PM	$40? I've seen it online for $25.
Orcboss 06-07-05, 06:28 PM	It is not completely beyond me to buy online, but only when absolutely necessary. I no longer have an FLGS, but I can understand your point of view. The realy questions is whether your good feelings about loyalty are worth $15. I'm not telling you to choose either way, but that's pretty much what it comes down to.
Seeker95 06-07-05, 08:29 PM	Sure, I could buy it at Amazon or many other places online, but I prefer to support my local game shop.I understand your intentions. I try to support my local gaming store as much as possible, but I do so through products with a local gaming store support revenue model. Basically, I buy everything except the rule books at the LGS. If the gaming store industry would get its collective head out of its collective ABC and think like an industry, it might be a viable business model. Every time collective purchasing rises as a topic, the Local Gaming Stores refuse to join together. As long as they keep a "local means alone" attitude, they will continue to lose sales of higher ticket items to the collective purchasing agents / big boys.
Orcboss 06-08-05, 12:16 AM	As long as they keep a "local means alone" attitude, they will continue to lose sales of higher ticket items to the collective purchasing agents / big boys. All the game/comic/hobby stores in the world could get together in one giant price-fixing cartel and still not match the power of Walmart. Maybe, and I mean maybe, Amazon, but not Walmart. Hobby stores have to compete on service, atmosphere, and community. Things they can provide that a website can't (or at least not as well).
ImmortalBlueMage 06-08-05, 02:42 AM	I don't care what it costs as long as it's worth the money when I'm done with it.
Ranger REG 06-08-05, 03:17 AM	What in the world is going on? Sequel are usually not as essential as the first one and don't usually sell well. If WotC could have accurately gauge that ALL DMG owners would want the sequel, they could bring down the price. Could.
Zachary The First 06-08-05, 03:20 AM	Sequel are usually not as essential as the first one and don't usually sell well. If WotC could have accurately gauge that ALL DMG owners would want the sequel, they could bring down the price. Could. Actually, I've heard preorders for DMG II are doing really well right now. Really well.
braindead345 06-08-05, 03:22 AM	If the gaming store industry would get its collective head out of its collective ABC and think like an industry, it might be a viable business model. Every time collective purchasing rises as a topic, the Local Gaming Stores refuse to join together. As long as they keep a "local means alone" attitude, they will continue to lose sales of higher ticket items to the collective purchasing agents / big boys. If you owned a LGS, and you had a competitor across town proposing to combine your order with theirs to get a better price; what would you say? Now think about this: Are you going to trust him to place your order or are you going to demand that you order for him? How are you going to settle payment and where is the order going to be sent? What are you going to do if he screws up the order? If you are responsible for placing the order, do you think your competitor will trust you? Now, the big boys don't have to worry about this as much. They are big enough to demand the discounts and order enough product to make WotC happy. However, what they do have to worry about is too many layers of management, share-holders, and trying to predict the next best seller and getting enough copies. They could really care less about the RPG section of their stores. In fact, when did you last see a game book discounted at a one of the big boys? They only have the section to say they have it. The get complaints from the religous conservatives on a regular basis and would gladly dump WotC if it meant more business from not having a game section. Compare that to LGS owner who puts his lifeblood into to his shop. He is there in some cases 6 or 7 days a week, sometimes open to close. He is risking it all to provide people like us with what we want and place to play. Sometimes its even difficult to put food on the table or to pay rent, but the LGS owner still does it. Why? He knows he will never turn his store into a nation wide chain or that he will never become a millionaire, but he doesn't care. He cares about making his customers feel special and valued. He knows the gaming industry and he listens to what you want. I don't expect you to suddenly start buying everything at your LGS. I just believe that you get what you pay for. The question is, what do you get by spending your cash at the national chain stores? Personally, I think I will keep my money local by giving it to my LGS instead.
Zachary The First 06-08-05, 03:25 AM	If ever won Powerball, I would open a huge LGS and stuff enough fundage in it to make sure we could lose money for 30 years and remain open. People need a place like that, I think. Online communities are great, but there's a...feel to a FLGS I wouldn't want to trade for anything else. I personally buy all my dice, paint supplies, and minis from my FLGS. It's not a $40 book, but it's something I can afford to do to support them.
braindead345 06-08-05, 04:11 AM	Dare to dream Zachary, I like your thinking. But go one better, own the shopping center and lease the rest of it out to cover taxes and upkeep. If you want to save money at your LGS, ask them about paying well in advance of their order cut-off date. They might just sell it to you for 20% (or more) off cover price if they have your money up front. Or ask the owner if he can cut you a deal if you order one for every player in your group. If he can count on you & your friends to buy 5+ copies, he will consider it. No small retailer will turn down a guarnteed sale. Even if it isn't as large of mark-up as he wants, he'd rather have the inventory out of store.
Zachary The First 06-08-05, 05:27 AM	Actually, that's a good point. At one FLGS, the owner would knock $5 off each book if you ordered 4 or more. We actually got a great discount when d20 modern hit the shelves that way....
MerricB 06-08-05, 11:50 AM	OUCH! 288 pages at a $40 price tag? What gives? I was really looking forward to this book. Now I am not so sure that I can justify spending my hard earned money on it. Can someone please explain the price hike? Just regular inflation. Three years ago, a 320 page book sold for $39.95 (Epic Level Handbook). A few months ago, the Eberron book (320 pages) sold for $39.95 However, time catches up with us all, and now $39.95 only buys 288 pages. The pricing scheme is now as follows: $9.95* = 32 pages (e.g. Sons of Gruumsh) $29.95 = 160 pages (e.g. Heroes of Battle) $34.95 = 224 pages (e.g. Stormwrack) $39.95 = 288 pages (e.g. DMG 2, Spell Compendium) (* not confirmed) Cheers!
Seeker95 06-08-05, 01:32 PM	[...] still not match the power of Walmart. Maybe, and I mean maybe, Amazon, but not Walmart.I am confident that more RPG sales are lost to Amazon than to Walmart. So that would be a step in the right direction.
Zherog 06-08-05, 01:38 PM	Indeed - I just purchased two books from Amazon yesterday. :D
Seeker95 06-08-05, 02:47 PM	If you owned a LGS, and you had a competitor across town proposing to combine your order with theirs to get a better price; what would you say?When I worked for a small, mom-and-pop camera equipment and photography services store back in Indiana, we did just that. Suddenly we could get cameras and film and batteries at near-Walmart prices.Now think about this: Are you going to trust him to place your order or are you going to demand that you order for him?That's the beauty of an association. You don't have to trust your competitor down the street any more than he trusts you. I don't place an order for him and he doesn't place an order for me. We both place our orders through the Association distribution center. Industry associations use collective bargaining to manage price control. Although Walmart will always be bigger than the combined local gaming shops, the local gaming shops are always going to be more in tune with gamers. If they can get their prices closer to Amazon and Walmart, they will see a lot more of those hardback orders come directly through them rather than through Amazon. And with the number of publishers that are remaining in the gaming industry, it wouldn't even require a huge amount of logistics. Walmart has hundreds of producers it needs to bargain with. The FLGS only needs to do so with about a dozen or so. The small publishers can't really meet Amazon's demands, so they get together and publish through the same four or five companies to achieve the same effect. Why shouldn't the local gaming stores do the same?
braindead345 06-09-05, 01:26 AM	When I worked for a small, mom-and-pop camera equipment and photography services store back in Indiana, we did just that. Suddenly we could get cameras and film and batteries at near-Walmart prices.That's the beauty of an association. You don't have to trust your competitor down the street any more than he trusts you. I don't place an order for him and he doesn't place an order for me. We both place our orders through the Association distribution center. Industry associations use collective bargaining to manage price control. Although Walmart will always be bigger than the combined local gaming shops, the local gaming shops are always going to be more in tune with gamers. If they can get their prices closer to Amazon and Walmart, they will see a lot more of those hardback orders come directly through them rather than through Amazon. And with the number of publishers that are remaining in the gaming industry, it wouldn't even require a huge amount of logistics. Walmart has hundreds of producers it needs to bargain with. The FLGS only needs to do so with about a dozen or so. The small publishers can't really meet Amazon's demands, so they get together and publish through the same four or five companies to achieve the same effect. Why shouldn't the local gaming stores do the same? The inustry trade group makes sense, and I worked for a small retailer who relied on one before. The problem is organizing it, communicating with the retailers and getting the stuff to the stores on time. The cost of operating such a group is tricky to calculate. How much will membership cost and what do you get for being a member? Remember that most retailers go through the same distributor for all their product right now. The trade group would just become a distributor to rival Diamond Comics. What can a trade group offer over Diamond, especially if your FLGS carries comic books too?
Baned 06-09-05, 09:44 AM	I'll probably end up getting DMG2 from Amazon. It's hard for me to get D&D stuff. My local Walmart doesn't even have D&D stuff. The only thing I can find with WotC on it (Not counting games like Temple of Elemental Evil) is the Star Wars minis they brought in for Episode III, kind of. A friend of mine got the starter set, and now he can't find Expansions anywhere locally. I also have no local hobby shops, except one, but they only have dice and old 2E adventures that never sold. Our local Sam Goody closed down prior to 3.5's release. That's where I got my 3.0 books. Their rewards program was nice, because I was always getting $5 off certificates in the mail. I'm not aware of discount/reward programs offered Waldenbooks, which is now my only place to buy D&D books locally. So when 3.5 came out, I was stuck with Amazon. I did get all 3 core books for about $67, free shipping. MSRP was $30/book if I recall.
ccerose 06-09-05, 12:35 PM	I've picked up all my rule books from my LGS, aside from MM2 & 3. The owner usually gives a discount. Not as high as Amazon, but generally between $5 and $8 off the sticker price. I think it's especially fair in my case because my gaming group plays at the shop after closing hours.
Orcboss 06-09-05, 12:47 PM	My local Walmart doesn't even have D&D stuff. Mine either, but since my FLGS owner went into retirement (again), I've picked up about half my recent stuff from walmart.com.
Ranger REG 06-11-05, 07:19 AM	Actually, I've heard preorders for DMG II are doing really well right now. Really well. Perhaps, but I'm skeptical that ALL DMG owners are going to pick up DMG II. Still, it would be a sweet profitable bonus for WotC if they do. :smirk:
The Rooster 06-11-05, 01:21 PM	I'm sure the prices will continue to slowly rise until any loss in sales dictates the price is too high. It's unfortunate, but unlikely to change. Rooster
GreyLord 06-11-05, 01:44 PM	Its probably because I don't have to worry about money as much as I did in High School or College, and am not one of those students that I don't worry about price. In fact the price doesn't bother or worry me. I'm more concerned about whether or not I can use the content. So if I buy mine it will probably be at a bookstore such as Barnes and Nobles or Borders where I can look through the actual contents of the DMG2 and see if I could use it or not.
Ranger REG 06-14-05, 05:45 AM	So if I buy mine it will probably be at a bookstore such as Barnes and Nobles or Borders where I can look through the actual contents of the DMG2 and see if I could use it or not. That is smart shopping. :smirk: