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heykidoverthere 09-10-06, 09:41 PM	During dnd sessions we constantly have ask this question and then talk about for sometimes up to 15 min. Here it is... Is a Hamburger a sandwich? I know it sounds wierd but it is a great debate topic. This ussually leads into "What is a sandwich?" and other related topics. We wanted to know what fellow dnd players think. Thanks.
Bionisam 09-10-06, 09:51 PM	Wow, never would have thought of that...
Loki5654 09-10-06, 09:52 PM	From Dictionary.com: Hamburger- (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hamburger&x=0&y=0) 1. a sandwich consisting of a cooked patty of ground or chopped beef, usually in a roll or bun, variously garnished. 'Nuff said.
Solaris 09-10-06, 09:52 PM	Yes. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sandwich http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hamburger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandwich http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger
fatal error 09-10-06, 09:55 PM	It's something put between two pieces of bread, doesn't that instantly define it as a sandwich?
Salla 09-10-06, 09:58 PM	It's something put between two pieces of bread, doesn't that instantly define it as a sandwich? So, I'm not buying a loaf of bread, I'm buying ten bread sandwiches? :D
Lord_Varos 09-10-06, 10:00 PM	Salla, you win the Internet. Game's over, everyone. Let's roll up new sheets and start over. Salla, you can't use 85 humor point-buy any more.
heykidoverthere 09-10-06, 10:05 PM	Thank you all. That proves some of our points but one of our players still thinks it is not a sandwich. He says that if you were to go to a restaurant adn ask for a meat patty sandwich they would tell you that it is a burger. He also says that on menus the hamerburgers are a diferent section than the sandwiches. He also doesn't belive dictionaries, Bu t other than his complaining thanks for proveing our point.
mearrin69 09-10-06, 10:11 PM	Heh, funny topic. Tell your friend that if he orders a corned beef and swiss sandwich with sour kraut on toasted rye or pumpernickel that the waiter will tell him it's a Reuben. Still a sandwich though. Yeah, something on bread (not necessarily even two pieces, i.e. open faced.) M
Loki5654 09-10-06, 10:17 PM	Thank you all. That proves some of our points but one of our players still thinks it is not a sandwich. He says that if you were to go to a restaurant adn ask for a meat patty sandwich they would tell you that it is a burger. He also says that on menus the hamerburgers are a diferent section than the sandwiches. He also doesn't belive dictionaries, Bu t other than his complaining thanks for proveing our point.Just because they are popular enough to merit a separate section on the menu doesn't mean they aren't sandwiches. It just so happens that the "nickname" for a ground beef patty sandwich is "hamburger". If I were to order a corned beef sandwich with Swiss cheese and sauerkraut on rye bread, the server would say "So, you want a Reuben?" Just because we use different names for different types of sandwiches doesn't mean they aren't sandwiches. Hamburgers are a popular subset of sandwiches. Due to the variety of styles, they often merit their own menu subsection. Wow, I got into this argument a little more than I should have. I feel a little worked up by it. And a little hungry.:D
Loki5654 09-10-06, 10:19 PM	Heh, funny topic. Tell your friend that if he orders a corned beef and swiss sandwich with sour kraut on toasted rye or pumpernickel that the waiter will tell him it's a Reuben. Still a sandwich though. Yeah, something on bread (not necessarily even two pieces, i.e. open faced.) M:mymy: Wow, I can't believe someone beat me to a Reuben reference. I knew I should have used a Club sandwich as my example. Now I just look foolish.
Cincinnati 09-10-06, 10:23 PM	one of our players still thinks it is not a sandwich.... He also doesn't belive dictionaries..... This guy sounds like a real winner.
Alac Luin 09-10-06, 10:27 PM	sure, if you ask for a meat patty sandwich, they will say oh a burger. Becouse that is the type of sandwich it is. Go into a restaurant and ask for a "pig slice, leaf, and red vegi-fruit aranged between bread" They might figure out you want a BLT. "burger" is a type of sandwich that has many varieties. Like a "sub" or "po'boy"
Rickiel 09-10-06, 10:31 PM	But what about HOTDOGS?! The classical American hot dog. In a bun no less. Is this yet another meat sandwhich? If condiments were a requirement then it's nigh-infinite variety of possibilities (some probably illegal in a few states) would certainly elevate it to sandwhichdom! I ask you good people. Is a very flexible cylinder of meat in a bun, a sandwhich?
heykidoverthere 09-10-06, 10:46 PM	on the hot dog issue we all have varying opionins. player 1. I would argue that because you don't competely sepereate the bun it would not count as two peices of bread. player 2. I say it is a great argument, very debatable... but alas, no it is not a sandwich. It can be ate with or without a bun(or bread) with equal success, thus it could be argued that it is a sandwich, but IMO it is not in a bun often enough to be considered a sandwich. player 3. Well, I for one have found that the hot dog is, in fact, a sausage. Now, sausages have been eaten for ages as a primary food stuff, no bun needed, and is still eaten that way by many people. So, in my opinion, something that is eaten without a bun just as commonly as with, then it is not a sandwich. DM, Me. The defenition for sandwich has nothing with the shape so yes a hot dog is a sandwich.
Alac Luin 09-10-06, 10:58 PM	I'm such a dweab. hot dogs are sausages. We typically eat them in sandwich like manner, but they are sausages. from the FAQ from The National Hot Dog and Sausage Council's website "All hot dogs are cured and cooked sausages that consist of mainly pork, beef, chicken and turkey or a combination of meat and poultry" http://www.hot-dog.org/facts/HotDogQandA.htm I'm such a dweeb.
ArcTan 09-10-06, 11:00 PM	I really hope the OP was genuinely making fun of the kinds of arguments on here, and that everyone who bothered to respond to this thread is in on the joke.
Shrindi 09-10-06, 11:04 PM	Very entertaining thread. Here is a food related question just as contentious as what constitutes a sandwich: What qualities define and categorize barbecue. Is it the sauce? If cooking the barbecue meat in sauce or glazing with sauce creates barbecue then couldn't one simply pour barbecue sauce on a hot dog and call it barbecue?
demonsinmyhead 09-11-06, 03:12 AM	ok....heres an excellent sandwich that i demand you sample.... swedish rye bread with plums... its one of the best that i have ever had and i eat lots of sandwiches.
Ranger REG 09-11-06, 03:27 AM	Is a Hamburger a sandwich? I know it sounds wierd but it is a great debate topic. This ussually leads into "What is a sandwich?" and other related topics. We wanted to know what fellow dnd players think. Thanks. Okay, even though you guys are D&D players, the topic you're presenting doesn't have anything to do with the game. Nevertheless. Sighs... Hamburger is a sandwich. I go to my local BK, and I order a Whopper, and they routinely ask if I want the combo meal (with a side item and a drink) or just the sandwich. HOWEVER, hamburger steak is NOT a sandwich, it's a plated meal. In Hawaii, we have what you call a Loco Moco, it's a bed of rice with a hamburger patty poured with gravy over and topped a couple of fried eggs (usually sunny side-up but it's the customer's call). It's an Atkin diet dream meal, or quicker path to a clogged artery. :devil:
LordBOB777 09-11-06, 03:28 AM	I ask you good people. Is a very flexible cylinder of meat in a bun, a sandwhich? And thus sigged.....if allowed. HELL NO!!!! a hamburger is NOT a sandwich, no matter what everyone else believes. If its not under the "Sandwich" sections in a menu than it ISNT a sandwich. when someone says sandwich I think of turkey/ham/roast beef/etc.... Not a flamming, fat-dripping, 1/3 lbs of cow smuthered with ketchup and cheese. No my friends, do not attempt to fill my mind with this nonsense. on a side note.....HOT DOGS ARE NASTY!!!!
LordBOB777 09-11-06, 03:30 AM	giggidy giggidy giggidy
Ranger REG 09-11-06, 03:44 AM	giggidy giggidy giggidy Let me guess. It's the sound of your index finger strumming your lips. :P
LordBOB777 09-11-06, 03:47 AM	NO!
Ranger REG 09-11-06, 03:48 AM	on a side note.....HOT DOGS ARE NASTY!!!! You're right, and it's because it is missing one key component. :devil:
Ranger REG 09-11-06, 03:48 AM	NO! Your pinky finger strumming your lips?
Salla 09-11-06, 03:52 AM	Your pinky finger strumming your lips? No, he's impersonating Quagmeyer from Family Guy. :)
Ranger REG 09-11-06, 03:59 AM	No, he's impersonating Quagmeyer from Family Guy. :) Damn. My next guess was going to be "Why the Creator made our butt crack vertical instead of horizontal? So we don't make giggidy noise when we fall down the stairs butt-first." :P
Righter8 09-11-06, 04:31 AM	Thank you all. That proves some of our points but one of our players still thinks it is not a sandwich. He says that if you were to go to a restaurant adn ask for a meat patty sandwich they would tell you that it is a burger. He also says that on menus the hamerburgers are a diferent section than the sandwiches. He also doesn't belive dictionaries, But other than his complaining thanks for proveing our point. That's fine. Next game session inform him that you don't believe he is a player and refuse to acknowledge him all night. Get the other players and DM to cooperate with you on this.
sooperspook 09-11-06, 05:30 AM	Just to make things even more unclear. Here in Australia we have 'Rolls's which consist of a large bun sliced in two , filled with slices of meat, vegies and soemtimes chips*. often with gravy. *fren...sorry freedom fries to you yanks. :rolleyes:
DIESCUMDIE 09-11-06, 08:01 AM	A hamburger is not a sandwich. Sandwiches have to have slices of bread, and if they have meat in them they should be sliced as well. Similarly a falafel is not a sandwich. Neither is two slices of pizza on top of each other. Nor a bagel with cream cheese. Nor is a shawarma or kebab (I get them mixed up). Nor a hot dog. Nor is a pastie a sandwich. Nor a croque monsieur. Nor a torteilla. Nor one of those duck rolls you get at chinese reastaurants. Nor a spring roll. Nor a wrap of any sort. Wheat and meat does not a sandwich make. Disqualified for other reasons are crisps or chips between bread, for breaking the carb and protein requirement. Similarly Jam sandwiches, cereal or suger sandwiches fail to achieve sandwich hood, even though literally they may be one item sandwiched between two slices of bread. To keep it perfectly simple, you have to consider the original designers intent and understanding. The Earl of Sandwich was not envisioning a burger.
mearrin69 09-11-06, 10:55 AM	A hamburger is not a sandwich. Sandwiches have to have slices of bread... Um, when I go to a deli I have the choice of sliced bread, french roll, sourdough roll, kaiser, etc. Maybe it's just a U.S. thing, no rolls in the U.K.? Subway, Quiznos and other chain 'sandwich shops' all use rolls as well. ...The Earl of Sandwich was not envisioning a burger. Ah, but the good Earl is not here to defend his works, is he? Besides I'm sure he'd want bread on either side of a greasy ground beef patty and cheese while playing cards...otherwise, as Jack (of Jack in the Box fame) says, you'd just be eating meat and cheese. There's a reason for the buns and it's the same design intent as that laid down by Mr. Sandwich. M
kliate 09-11-06, 11:00 AM	Thank you all. That proves some of our points but one of our players still thinks it is not a sandwich. He says that if you were to go to a restaurant adn ask for a meat patty sandwich they would tell you that it is a burger. He also says that on menus the hamerburgers are a diferent section than the sandwiches. He also doesn't belive dictionaries, Bu t other than his complaining thanks for proveing our point. While potentially true, we are fortunate to live in a universe where ignorance does not alter fact.
Reinforcements 09-11-06, 11:46 AM	Although I'm pleased that two consecutive posters mentioned the Reuben, aka the Best Sandwich Ever, I am also saddened that they both failed to include Thousand Island dressing in their descriptions. The dressing is a necessary and delicious component of the Reuben.
mearrin69 09-11-06, 11:54 AM	@reinforcements: Whoops, right you are. 'Russian dressing' to be precise. :) Edit: Erm, what does this have to do with D&D, exactly? :)
Sulaco 09-11-06, 12:30 PM	Technically, yes. In common usage, no.
Limousine_Liberal 09-11-06, 01:18 PM	Thank you all. That proves some of our points but one of our players still thinks it is not a sandwich. He says that if you were to go to a restaurant adn ask for a meat patty sandwich they would tell you that it is a burger. He also says that on menus the hamerburgers are a diferent section than the sandwiches. He also doesn't belive dictionaries, Bu t other than his complaining thanks for proveing our point. I really enjoy semantics, but that guy needs meds. Up next: Cole slaw, garnish or side dish?
Rickiel 09-11-06, 03:08 PM	Okay, I believe it is high time we make this topic DO something concerning with D&D. WHAT SANDWHICHES DO D&D PEOPLE EAT?! Humans: Unanimously known to consume whatever is under the sun. The ground. Anything really. Dwarves: Ach! Something juicy, dripping, steaming, and as tall as a man's head and just as wide to boot! Preferably served upon Dwarven Bread of Terry Pratchett fame :D! Elves: Veggie sandwhiches the lot of them. Perhaps jam sandwhiches as well. Gnomes: Who knows? Just give these buggers a sandwhich to shut them up! (bad in game experience with a gnome that would only shut up when eating) Halflings: Like humans, but eat only half of it. Half-Elves: BLT's. Only they know the reason. Half-Orcs: I'm honestly not sure at the moment.
hmmmm 09-11-06, 04:20 PM	Yes a hamburger is a sandwhich, deal with it. Also where does the dnd fit in?
joesphroth 09-11-06, 06:58 PM	HI i'm one of the players that started this conversation, Yes a hamburger is a sandwhich, deal with it. Also where does the dnd fit in? Well here this is how it fits in: What is the Race (and subrace) of a 8HD Hamburger?
aotrscommander 09-11-06, 07:13 PM	Hamburger: Diminutive Undead (Unaugmented Animal/Plant) (Why Undead - if it was a creature not an object, it'd have to be Undead, right?) Note: if you don't eat pig meat, change to Undead (Unaugmented Aberration).
DarkNick 09-11-06, 07:34 PM	WHAT SANDWHICHES DO D&D PEOPLE EAT?! Humans: Unanimously known to consume whatever is under the sun. The ground. Anything really. I agree Dwarves: Ach! Something juicy, dripping, steaming, and as tall as a man's head and just as wide to boot! Preferably served upon Dwarven Bread of Terry Pratchett fame :D! I can see them enjoying a good mushroom burger. Big slices of fried fungus with a mustard sauce on chunky thick cut squares of grainy bread . Elves: Veggie sandwhiches the lot of them. Perhaps jam sandwhiches as well. cucumber sandwiches, or hundreds and thousands on bread (fairy bread), They would use thinly sliced white fluffy bread cut into triangles. Gnomes: Who knows? Just give these buggers a sandwhich to shut them up! (bad in game experience with a gnome that would only shut up when eating) I think a gnome sandwich would come unassembled, thay have to put it together or eat the bits seperately. Halflings: Like humans, but eat only half of it. Not so sure about this. I think they would try to eat just as much, Half-Elves: BLT's. Only they know the reason. Yeah, I don't know why this is but it seams to fit. Half-Orcs: I'm honestly not sure at the moment. Fried bread with big slices of chared spit roast. Lizard in a bun, with BBQ sauce. Deep fried peanut butter sandwiches.
heykidoverthere 09-11-06, 07:36 PM	I agree with the undead type. It was once an animal, and now is obviously not alive... but has HD... so Undead is the logical choice. Now... what would a 6HD Hotdog(in a bun) be considered? Would the bun be considered a symbiont for the Hotdog?
Fi'Irdray 09-11-06, 11:34 PM	what about Cthulu dogs? (http://www.octodog.net/)
scienceman47 09-12-06, 12:08 AM	Just to make things even more unclear. Here in Australia we have 'Rolls's which consist of a large bun sliced in two , filled with slices of meat, vegies and soemtimes chips*. often with gravy. *fren...sorry freedom fries to you yanks. :rolleyes: Nobody in america calls them freedom fries, anyone who did would get laughed out of the eating establishment. Were not that bad. I vote hot dogs as a type of primative burrito, as americans at the time had little knowledge of advanced food technology such as the tortilla, and innovations like placing ground meat or beans within a bread wrap. Half orcs love burgers and pork chop sandwiches, and gnomes probably like sandwiches with pickles. Just because.
LordBOB777 09-12-06, 01:07 AM	I once new a guy who used the expression "freedon fires" and needless to say I hit him and almost dislocated his shoulder. DO NOT CALL US YANKS!!!!
Fi'Irdray 09-12-06, 01:28 AM	A hamburger is a sandwich (in the United Kingdom and Saudi Arabia, the patty alone is known as a beefburger or burger) involving a patty of ground meat that is usually beef. The meat can be grilled, fried, steamed, or broiled, and is generally served with various condiments and toppings inside a bun baked specially for this purpose. Burgers are often served with french fries, potato chips, or onion rings A sandwich is a food item typically consisting of two pieces of bread between which are laid one or more layers of meat, vegetable, cheese or other fillings, together with optional or traditionally provided condiments, sauces, and other accompaniments. The bread is used as is, lightly buttered, or covered in a flavoured oil to enhance flavour and texture. The term "sandwich" has been expanded—especially in the United States—to include items made with other types of bread, such as rolls and focaccia. Thus hamburgers and "subs", for example, are called "sandwiches," although not made with slices of bread from a loaf) I personally find the best sandwich comes from toasting an asiago cheese bagel, then putting on some pepperoni, then microwaving for about 10 sec to heat said pepperoni.
Ranger REG 09-12-06, 05:21 AM	Nobody in america calls them freedom fries, anyone who did would get laughed out of the eating establishment. Were not that bad. Yeah, we've forgiven the French. :P Half orcs love burgers and pork chop sandwiches. I thought they prefer finger food, literally. :P
Ranger REG 09-12-06, 05:22 AM	DO NOT CALL US YANKS!!!! Especially me. Not a fan of that baseball team. :devil:
scienceman47 09-12-06, 05:48 AM	Yeah, we've forgiven the French. :P I thought they prefer finger food, literally. :P Half-orcs are not a savage as people think, but orcs love finger food. And a half orc with 6 int probably cant tell the difference. Dont allow him to surround his hand with two pieces of bread. Ever.
babysamurai 09-12-06, 06:19 AM	DO NOT CALL US YANKS!!!! How about Doodle?
Caliborn 09-12-06, 08:18 AM	I personally find the best sandwich comes from toasting an asiago cheese bagel, then putting on some pepperoni, then microwaving for about 10 sec to heat said pepperoni. Ah yes, the pepperoni and cheese sandwich, one of my favorites. I add a liberal dash of garlic salt to mine.
PhaedrusXY 09-12-06, 10:00 AM	This guy sounds like a real winner.I bet he likes katanas.
Fargren 09-12-06, 03:43 PM	DO NOT CALL US YANKS!!!! Then don't call yourselves amercians. America is a big continent, and it's pretty denigrating to everyone else that you call yourselves that.
Lord Lorac Silvanos 09-12-06, 04:05 PM	ok....heres an excellent sandwich that i demand you sample.... swedish rye bread with plums... its one of the best that i have ever had and i eat lots of sandwiches. Now I do not know how Swedish rye bread is made in the States, but in Sweden they make it with far too much sugar and I would not recommend that to anyone.... But do tell more about this one, since it might be a favourite of the Elves or garden Gnomes :)
Calestin Kethal 09-12-06, 05:17 PM	I think it's playing to sterotype for elves to be vegetarian. I mean, a venison burger would certainly be in the realm of possibility, with all those elven archers. Rabbit stew? Also tasty (but off topic.) Not to mention elk and quail. :P
Limousine_Liberal 09-12-06, 05:23 PM	Discussing the concept of racial cuisines with my friends, there seems to be a consensus that dwarves would be big meat eaters. Why is that? They live underground...how much livestock can they maintain underground? Bug meat, maybe. Mammal meat, I think would be an import (and so not likely a staple of the typical dwarven diet). I see them as big on mushrooms.
DarkNick 09-12-06, 05:27 PM	I think it's playing to sterotype for elves to be vegetarian. I mean, a venison burger would certainly be in the realm of possibility, with all those elven archers. Rabbit stew? Also tasty (but off topic.) Not to mention elk and quail. :P I agree, though I think you need to pay attention to sandwich presentation for an elf. I suspect they are not big eaters and like delicate foods in small portions. An elves Venison Burger wouldbe quite different to a Half-orcs Venison Burger. Yeah, I see dwarves being into mushrooms/fungus in a big way. They might also be into fish (blind fish in underground pools). Though other underground races maintain herds of creatures, just not the ones you find on the surface (like Rothe?).
Fi'Irdray 09-12-06, 05:45 PM	Discussing the concept of racial cuisines with my friends, there seems to be a consensus that dwarves would be big meat eaters. Why is that? They live underground...how much livestock can they maintain underground? Bug meat, maybe. Mammal meat, I think would be an import (and so not likely a staple of the typical dwarven diet). I see them as big on mushrooms. It's because Dwarves represent the quintessential "Manliness". Really strong, disciplined, hard working, hairy, honorable, etc. It all goes with chugging beer (or ale) and eating large helpings of beef. The question is, do they just cook it in an oven, in their forge, or do they full out barbecue?
Lenore 09-12-06, 05:57 PM	Please the real question here is: What do drow eat with their high elf burgers?
Angus Cotton 09-12-06, 10:33 PM	During dnd sessions we constantly have ask this question and then talk about for sometimes up to 15 min. Here it is... Is a Hamburger a sandwich? No, it's a person....from Hamburg. Anyway, wouldn't you rather spend that 15 minutes you spent philosophying, well, playing DnD?
RetiredThief 09-12-06, 10:38 PM	A hamburger is a sandwich with a level in steak. Now, get back to your game.
Ranger REG 09-13-06, 12:28 AM	Half-orcs are not a savage as people think, but orcs love finger food. And a half orc with 6 int probably cant tell the difference. Dont allow him to surround his hand with two pieces of bread. Ever. Ah, but hamburger buns are not bread, according to DIESCUMDIE's argument. :rofl:
Daiben 09-13-06, 07:52 AM	just to throw some more petrol onto the fire; a hamburger usually refers both to the meat with a bun (i.e a type of sandwhich) but in many parts of the world it also refers to just the meat itself. Thus a hamburger served without the bun is still a hamburger but is not a sandwhich.
babysamurai 09-13-06, 08:01 AM	Where does the “Ham” part come in considering they’re generally made with “Beef”. …Is it a German-thing? Ostrich burgers are good eating though.
Lord Lorac Silvanos 09-13-06, 08:12 AM	Where does the “Ham” part come in considering they’re generally made with “Beef”. …Is it a German-thing? Ostrich burgers are good eating though. Yes, it is not uncommon in German to name things after where they originated. Just like in Frankfurters ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger
babysamurai 09-13-06, 08:30 AM	Yes, it is not uncommon in German to name things after where they originated. Just like in Frankfurters ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger Ah - totally.
scienceman47 09-13-06, 02:14 PM	Ah, but hamburger buns are not bread, according to DIESCUMDIE's argument. :rofl: Technically a hand and bread dont make a sandwich either but he'll be looking for it later so its best if ya dont let em know aye?
Poisonelf 09-13-06, 04:01 PM	According to 3.5 rules, a hamburger is a sandwich only when it is an npc. As a PC, it is a Hamburger, with the option for later prestige class of Thickburger if it takes the prerequisite feat of 1/3 lb. beef patty.
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 09-13-06, 04:41 PM	I really enjoy semantics, but that guy needs meds. Up next: Cole slaw, garnish or side dish? An unholy abomination that should be terminated with extreme prejudice.
Ranger REG 09-13-06, 04:49 PM	just to throw some more petrol onto the fire; a hamburger usually refers both to the meat with a bun (i.e a type of sandwhich) but in many parts of the world it also refers to just the meat itself. Thus a hamburger served without the bun is still a hamburger but is not a sandwhich. In Hawaii, it's called Hamburger Steak, and is served with two scoops of rice and a scoop of macaroni salad. Usually the "steak" is topped with gravy, grilled/sauteed onion slices, and/or eggs.
Ranger REG 09-13-06, 04:51 PM	Technically a hand and bread dont make a sandwich... Unless you yourself are a cannibal with an IQ of "duhhhhh!" :P
Bruunwald 09-13-06, 07:32 PM	Amazing. I just cruised through that whole thread, and not a one of you has cited the Final Word on the subject of sandwiches. Anybody who's ever watched Mystery Science Theater 3000 (and you don't even have to have been as obsessed with it as I have been - and continue to be) knows that the hamburger is absolutely, completely, without a doubt and in all ways definitely a sandwich. Now, I happen to know that a recipe for a hamburger was found in an ancient Roman village and that, except for a few odd ingredients, it was not all that different from what we eat now. But in modern usage, hamburgers first appeared on U.S. menus, with the ubiquitous french fries (and God bless the French, I was never angry with them) as... "A hamburger sandwich with french-fried potatoes garnish."* *Source: Mystery Science Theater 3000, Episode 507 - I Accuse My Parents.
Ranger REG 09-14-06, 05:01 PM	Amazing. I just cruised through that whole thread, and not a one of you has cited the Final Word on the subject of sandwiches. Anybody who's ever watched Mystery Science Theater 3000... Never watched it. Won't go out of my way to watch it.
Ranger REG 09-14-06, 05:03 PM	An unholy abomination that should be terminated with extreme prejudice. Where's the love for coleslaw? :P
Jprostovich 09-14-06, 05:43 PM	I have actually given alot of thought to sandwiches. In fact I have separated them into their own food group. But not just any food group....THE food group. In my opinon, Sandwiches are the world's most perfect food. Hands down. (notice I said my opinion...many have told me I am bonkers...but I digress). So what about Pizza? What gamer does not love a slice of pie? Burritos are mighty fine as well, how come they don't rate up there with sandwiches, you may ask. My answer, the ARE sandwiches. Pizza =open faced Italian sandwich Calzone=encapsulated Italian sandwich (my favorite of the favorites!) Burrito =Mexican Sandwich Hamburger =Sandwich of much meat and so on and so forth. So go out and include the most important food group in your diet today...It's good for you. I'm going to go make one now
scienceman47 09-14-06, 06:47 PM	I have actually given alot of thought to sandwiches. In fact I have separated them into their own food group. But not just any food group....THE food group. In my opinon, Sandwiches are the world's most perfect food. Hands down. (notice I said my opinion...many have told me I am bonkers...but I digress). So what about Pizza? What gamer does not love a slice of pie? Burritos are mighty fine as well, how come they don't rate up there with sandwiches, you may ask. My answer, the ARE sandwiches. Pizza =open faced Italian sandwich Calzone=encapsulated Italian sandwich (my favorite of the favorites!) Burrito =Mexican Sandwich Hamburger =Sandwich of much meat and so on and so forth. So go out and include the most important food group in your diet today...It's good for you. I'm going to go make one now Actually, all those above are the primative makeshift burritos of cultures without advanced technology or cooking techniques like "tortilla" or "wrapping". Pizza-The most advanced of the stone age burritos, the crust is a reasonable approximation, but the wrapping never came about. I wrap mine myself. Calzone-This is a genuine civilized burrito, and from what ive heard, very tasty. I call it, the italian burrito. Hamburger-Burrito with lumped meat and two circular pieces of bread, tasty, but not quite up to par. Sandwich-This burrito compensated for lack of advanced techniques by utilizing random toppings. Anything can go on a sandwich. Except for beans and ground beef. Shredded meat works. Someday it might even achieve true burritodom.
Bruunwald 09-14-06, 08:03 PM	Never watched it. Won't go out of my way to watch it. Wow. You sure taught me a lesson. Somebody call a shrink. I'm a broken man. Still, at least a hamburger is a sandwich. You and I will always have that, lover.
Ranger REG 09-15-06, 05:16 AM	I have actually given alot of thought to sandwiches. In fact I have separated them into their own food group. But not just any food group....THE food group. In my opinon, Sandwiches are the world's most perfect food. Hands down. (notice I said my opinion...many have told me I am bonkers...but I digress). So what about Pizza? What gamer does not love a slice of pie? Burritos are mighty fine as well, how come they don't rate up there with sandwiches, you may ask. My answer, the ARE sandwiches. Pizza =open faced Italian sandwich Calzone=encapsulated Italian sandwich (my favorite of the favorites!) Burrito =Mexican Sandwich Hamburger =Sandwich of much meat and so on and so forth. Dim Sum = usually char siu filling in the center of the dough wrapping, can be steamed or baked. Choice of filling include chicken, hamburger, hot dog, etc.
babysamurai 09-15-06, 05:38 AM	In Hawaii, it's called Hamburger Steak, and is served with two scoops of rice and a scoop of macaroni salad. Usually the "steak" is topped with gravy, grilled/sauteed onion slices, and/or eggs. Man, you’ve made me home sick for Maui. I used to love a good Teri-plate, and Miowpua’s (sp?). Oh, and Beef Lau Lau.
mearrin69 09-15-06, 10:38 AM	And, no one has mentioned gyros. Gotta have gyros.
Ranger REG 09-16-06, 05:46 AM	I used to love a good Teri-plate, and Miowpua’s (sp?). If you're trying to spell Maunapua, that's basically Dim Sum. :smirk: