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Artificers: Deciding what to make [Archive] - Wizards Community

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PiccaloJr
05-16-07, 02:33 PM Got a question or 2 for the gurus. I've got a Human Artificer I'm running in out current game. I've sat down with the DM and we're going thru, level by level up to 4th, and rolling/making/planning what he's going at create using his crafting reserve. So for his items created at 1st level I'm going for scrolls. ECS says that artificers make scrolls as Artificer scrolls, just like Wiz/Sorc use Arcane and Cleric/Druid use Divine. My first question is this, when your making a Cure Light/Moderate/Serious/Critical wounds, what pricing do you use? Divine or Arcane? They are listed in both. I'd lean toward the Divine, but I'm really not sure.
Second question. What scrolls are the most benificial, in your individual opinions, at 1st-4th level? I can't craft wands yet for the utility spells, so scrolls it is. (Trust me. I know not everyone is gonna agree on what is -good- on this one.)

Third, and finally, what Wondrous items would you guys suggest? Our party consists of a: Warforged Fighter, Human Scout, Elven Druid, and myself Human Artificer.

Thanks ahead of time. ^_^
Bodger
05-16-07, 05:36 PM IN any order but strong suggestion would be
1. Goggles of Night (DMG)
2. Belt of healing (MIC)
3. Something to bolster your UMD (DM ok first +5)
4. Amulet of Natural Armor +1 (DMG)
5. and what ever else you can afford and make

Bodger
Edymnion
05-16-07, 06:01 PM You still price the item you are making as if you were creating it normally. In the case of scrolls, if you are making a divine scroll, price it as a divine scroll at the level the divine spell it uses. The *ONLY* differance is that the end result is only usable via UMD.
Bodger
05-16-07, 06:28 PM IN any order but strong suggestion would be
1. Goggles of Night (DMG)
2. Belt of healing (MIC)
3. Something to bolster your UMD (DM ok first +5)
4. Amulet of Natural Armor +1 (DMG)
5. and what ever else you can afford and make

Bodger
Edymnion
05-16-07, 06:55 PM IN any order but strong suggestion would be
1. Goggles of Night (DMG)
2. Belt of healing (MIC)
3. Something to bolster your UMD (DM ok first +5)
4. Amulet of Natural Armor +1 (DMG)
5. and what ever else you can afford and make

BodgerYeah, you said that already. ;)
PiccaloJr
05-17-07, 12:46 AM You still price the item you are making as if you were creating it normally. In the case of scrolls, if you are making a divine scroll, price it as a divine scroll at the level the divine spell it uses. The *ONLY* differance is that the end result is only usable via UMD.

Right. I get that. My question is though could you just use one or the other? Or is there a preference? Lemme explain a bit further.
Bards can cast the cure spells as arcane right?
Clerics and Druids cast the divine versions, correct?
So, if an Artificer goes to make a scroll of lets say Cure Light Wounds, would he just use either? I mean the logical/practical/frugal thing to do would be to make the divine one. It's cheaper to make. I just wondered if there was an ruling or something on -that- specifically. I do get the item creation rules though. ^_^
Edymnion
05-17-07, 08:29 AM Right. I get that. My question is though could you just use one or the other? Or is there a preference? Lemme explain a bit further.
Bards can cast the cure spells as arcane right?
Clerics and Druids cast the divine versions, correct?
So, if an Artificer goes to make a scroll of lets say Cure Light Wounds, would he just use either? I mean the logical/practical/frugal thing to do would be to make the divine one. It's cheaper to make. I just wondered if there was an ruling or something on -that- specifically. I do get the item creation rules though. ^_^Yes, you can make either one you want. Make the divine version, since the caster level is lower than the bard's.

Also, make divine versions of spells like Identify, as they only require a focus and not the 100 gp pearl, which over the long run can save you lots of money.
Cifer
05-17-07, 09:04 AM Also, make divine versions of spells like Identify, as they only require a focus and not the 100 gp pearl, which over the long run can save you lots of money.
Didn't we establish in some discussion that in cases where there's the choice between a divine focus and a material component the latter had to be used? I distinctly remember reading something like that...
Michael_Silverforge
05-18-07, 08:22 AM Master PiccaloJr,
1)Cure Scrolls:
You can use either divine or arcane. I agree with Master Edymnion that you would be better served to use the cheapest.
2)Scrolls:
The great benefit of being an artificer is that your caster level is at +2 when you make an item, therefore as a 1st level artificer you can TRY to make up to 2nd level Wiz/Sor/Cler/Druid spell scrolls. As a 3rd level artificer you can make up to 3rd level WSCD spell scrolls. My favorites as a 1st level artificer were, Cure Light Wounds, Entangle, Barkskin, Invisibility, Mirror Image, Blindness/Deafness (W/S-2). As a 3rd level Artificer my favorites included the previous plus Call Lightning.
3)Wondrous Items:
UMD + item
Cannith Goggles (Magic of Eberron)
Amulet of Natural Armor
Edymnion
05-19-07, 02:26 PM Didn't we establish in some discussion that in cases where there's the choice between a divine focus and a material component the latter had to be used? I distinctly remember reading something like that...Not that I saw, and I don't recall ever reading in the actual rules "If there are two ways to make an item, you have to take the most expensive way", and I doubt they would make such a rule. Sounds more like what the boards came up with.
doctord
05-19-07, 10:41 PM IN any order but strong suggestion would be
1. Goggles of Night (DMG)
2. Belt of healing (MIC)
3. Something to bolster your UMD (DM ok first +5)
4. Amulet of Natural Armor +1 (DMG)
5. and what ever else you can afford and make

Bodger

What would you use to bolster the UMD?
Runepriest
05-19-07, 11:20 PM Custom item.
Elderich
05-22-07, 05:16 PM Didn't we establish in some discussion that in cases where there's the choice between a divine focus and a material component the latter had to be used? I distinctly remember reading something like that...

I think you were thinking about this, or perhaps a better discussion which i cannot find.

http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=11858047&postcount=46

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=708213

Oddly enough I JUST noticed Identify DOES have a DF, So the artificer must use the Pearl! Bah!
dunkeykong
05-22-07, 05:31 PM Custom item.

agreed.

Ordering off the menu is for newbs, get in the kitchen!

break some eggs!
dunkeykong
05-22-07, 05:33 PM ok, wow.

I havent heard anyone suggest a Handy haversack. thats always the first item I create on any magic user
Cifer
05-22-07, 06:11 PM Oddly enough I JUST noticed Identify DOES have a DF, So the artificer must use the Pearl! Bah!
You might want to take a look at the MIC's artificer's monocle. 750 gp and you'll never have to see a pearl again.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
PiccaloJr 05-16-07, 02:33 PM	Got a question or 2 for the gurus. I've got a Human Artificer I'm running in out current game. I've sat down with the DM and we're going thru, level by level up to 4th, and rolling/making/planning what he's going at create using his crafting reserve. So for his items created at 1st level I'm going for scrolls. ECS says that artificers make scrolls as Artificer scrolls, just like Wiz/Sorc use Arcane and Cleric/Druid use Divine. My first question is this, when your making a Cure Light/Moderate/Serious/Critical wounds, what pricing do you use? Divine or Arcane? They are listed in both. I'd lean toward the Divine, but I'm really not sure. Second question. What scrolls are the most benificial, in your individual opinions, at 1st-4th level? I can't craft wands yet for the utility spells, so scrolls it is. (Trust me. I know not everyone is gonna agree on what is -good- on this one.) Third, and finally, what Wondrous items would you guys suggest? Our party consists of a: Warforged Fighter, Human Scout, Elven Druid, and myself Human Artificer. Thanks ahead of time. ^_^
Bodger 05-16-07, 05:36 PM	IN any order but strong suggestion would be 1. Goggles of Night (DMG) 2. Belt of healing (MIC) 3. Something to bolster your UMD (DM ok first +5) 4. Amulet of Natural Armor +1 (DMG) 5. and what ever else you can afford and make Bodger
Edymnion 05-16-07, 06:01 PM	You still price the item you are making as if you were creating it normally. In the case of scrolls, if you are making a divine scroll, price it as a divine scroll at the level the divine spell it uses. The ONLY differance is that the end result is only usable via UMD.
Bodger 05-16-07, 06:28 PM	IN any order but strong suggestion would be 1. Goggles of Night (DMG) 2. Belt of healing (MIC) 3. Something to bolster your UMD (DM ok first +5) 4. Amulet of Natural Armor +1 (DMG) 5. and what ever else you can afford and make Bodger
Edymnion 05-16-07, 06:55 PM	IN any order but strong suggestion would be 1. Goggles of Night (DMG) 2. Belt of healing (MIC) 3. Something to bolster your UMD (DM ok first +5) 4. Amulet of Natural Armor +1 (DMG) 5. and what ever else you can afford and make BodgerYeah, you said that already. ;)
PiccaloJr 05-17-07, 12:46 AM	You still price the item you are making as if you were creating it normally. In the case of scrolls, if you are making a divine scroll, price it as a divine scroll at the level the divine spell it uses. The ONLY differance is that the end result is only usable via UMD. Right. I get that. My question is though could you just use one or the other? Or is there a preference? Lemme explain a bit further. Bards can cast the cure spells as arcane right? Clerics and Druids cast the divine versions, correct? So, if an Artificer goes to make a scroll of lets say Cure Light Wounds, would he just use either? I mean the logical/practical/frugal thing to do would be to make the divine one. It's cheaper to make. I just wondered if there was an ruling or something on -that- specifically. I do get the item creation rules though. ^_^
Edymnion 05-17-07, 08:29 AM	Right. I get that. My question is though could you just use one or the other? Or is there a preference? Lemme explain a bit further. Bards can cast the cure spells as arcane right? Clerics and Druids cast the divine versions, correct? So, if an Artificer goes to make a scroll of lets say Cure Light Wounds, would he just use either? I mean the logical/practical/frugal thing to do would be to make the divine one. It's cheaper to make. I just wondered if there was an ruling or something on -that- specifically. I do get the item creation rules though. ^_^Yes, you can make either one you want. Make the divine version, since the caster level is lower than the bard's. Also, make divine versions of spells like Identify, as they only require a focus and not the 100 gp pearl, which over the long run can save you lots of money.
Cifer 05-17-07, 09:04 AM	Also, make divine versions of spells like Identify, as they only require a focus and not the 100 gp pearl, which over the long run can save you lots of money. Didn't we establish in some discussion that in cases where there's the choice between a divine focus and a material component the latter had to be used? I distinctly remember reading something like that...
Michael_Silverforge 05-18-07, 08:22 AM	Master PiccaloJr, 1)Cure Scrolls: You can use either divine or arcane. I agree with Master Edymnion that you would be better served to use the cheapest. 2)Scrolls: The great benefit of being an artificer is that your caster level is at +2 when you make an item, therefore as a 1st level artificer you can TRY to make up to 2nd level Wiz/Sor/Cler/Druid spell scrolls. As a 3rd level artificer you can make up to 3rd level WSCD spell scrolls. My favorites as a 1st level artificer were, Cure Light Wounds, Entangle, Barkskin, Invisibility, Mirror Image, Blindness/Deafness (W/S-2). As a 3rd level Artificer my favorites included the previous plus Call Lightning. 3)Wondrous Items: UMD + item Cannith Goggles (Magic of Eberron) Amulet of Natural Armor
Edymnion 05-19-07, 02:26 PM	Didn't we establish in some discussion that in cases where there's the choice between a divine focus and a material component the latter had to be used? I distinctly remember reading something like that...Not that I saw, and I don't recall ever reading in the actual rules "If there are two ways to make an item, you have to take the most expensive way", and I doubt they would make such a rule. Sounds more like what the boards came up with.
doctord 05-19-07, 10:41 PM	IN any order but strong suggestion would be 1. Goggles of Night (DMG) 2. Belt of healing (MIC) 3. Something to bolster your UMD (DM ok first +5) 4. Amulet of Natural Armor +1 (DMG) 5. and what ever else you can afford and make Bodger What would you use to bolster the UMD?
Runepriest 05-19-07, 11:20 PM	Custom item.
Elderich 05-22-07, 05:16 PM	Didn't we establish in some discussion that in cases where there's the choice between a divine focus and a material component the latter had to be used? I distinctly remember reading something like that... I think you were thinking about this, or perhaps a better discussion which i cannot find. http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=11858047&postcount=46 http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=708213 Oddly enough I JUST noticed Identify DOES have a DF, So the artificer must use the Pearl! Bah!
dunkeykong 05-22-07, 05:31 PM	Custom item. agreed. Ordering off the menu is for newbs, get in the kitchen! break some eggs!
dunkeykong 05-22-07, 05:33 PM	ok, wow. I havent heard anyone suggest a Handy haversack. thats always the first item I create on any magic user
Cifer 05-22-07, 06:11 PM	Oddly enough I JUST noticed Identify DOES have a DF, So the artificer must use the Pearl! Bah! You might want to take a look at the MIC's artificer's monocle. 750 gp and you'll never have to see a pearl again.