CL listed in an item and crafting [Archive] - Wizards Community

CL listed in an item and crafting [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
cbradshaw007
03-06-07, 08:28 PM I have a question about crafting items. In the Miniature Handbook there is a Belt of Magnificance. The +2 variant of this cost 25,000 gold to buy and it lists a CL of 18. At first in my crafting I thought the CL was telling me as an artificer what I could make. After reading through way to many posts I know that the CL is of the creator and isnt a hard number. More so that the preqresits of the item are whats the limiting factor in crafting. So with all that said, the spells listed in making the belt are all second level spells. Bulls Strength, Cats Grace, etc. Is there a modifier because the item has all 6 of these at +2? Or as a 4th lvl Artificer could I make one if I had the funds to do so? Emulating all six spells in the creation process.
Dragom
03-07-07, 01:05 AM If your DM doesn't make you eat the page the item is written on for mentioning it, then you have a good shot.

The miniatures handbook is getting a little old. A canny DM would rewrite such an item. A less canny one will refuse.

Another DM will say "Sure, it's in the rules so it must be okay" and act surprised when half his players throw hissy fits and the game breaks up early.

My advice is to overlook this option and carry on. It is a legal option, but it's not a smart legal option.
Pinky's brain
03-07-07, 01:37 AM You could create it at level 1 if you had the money.
Dragom
03-07-07, 03:23 AM 3rd, You need craft wonderous item first.

The cost to craft could perhaps be managed with standard wealth by 6th level if you liquidated some of your assets.

Though a lot of campaigns aren't standard wealth.
cbradshaw007
03-07-07, 11:05 AM Affording it isnt the issue since I can craft it for half and then I also have extrodinary artisan. The question is more of why would the book list it as a CL 18? I understand the overpowerment of the item. What I want to clearify is the actual rules (or guidelines) for creating the item.

An item has prerequisits spells that I must have or emulate to create the item. Then it has a CL X value that is listed. I understand the CL is supposed to be of the person crafting the item. If I create this item since I can emulate all six spells, then is my version of the item CL 4 since I am 4th level?
Dragom
03-07-07, 11:39 AM In theory it has a crafter who has 6 second level slots.
cbradshaw007
03-07-07, 11:53 AM As an artificer, that limitation is not an issue. I dont memorize or use infusions, I emulate each spell needed fot the item. I do have to meet the CL -2 for the spell.

On a further note, in searching in another forum I found a similar question and understand mine better now. Thank you for your help.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
cbradshaw007 03-06-07, 08:28 PM	I have a question about crafting items. In the Miniature Handbook there is a Belt of Magnificance. The +2 variant of this cost 25,000 gold to buy and it lists a CL of 18. At first in my crafting I thought the CL was telling me as an artificer what I could make. After reading through way to many posts I know that the CL is of the creator and isnt a hard number. More so that the preqresits of the item are whats the limiting factor in crafting. So with all that said, the spells listed in making the belt are all second level spells. Bulls Strength, Cats Grace, etc. Is there a modifier because the item has all 6 of these at +2? Or as a 4th lvl Artificer could I make one if I had the funds to do so? Emulating all six spells in the creation process.
Dragom 03-07-07, 01:05 AM	If your DM doesn't make you eat the page the item is written on for mentioning it, then you have a good shot. The miniatures handbook is getting a little old. A canny DM would rewrite such an item. A less canny one will refuse. Another DM will say "Sure, it's in the rules so it must be okay" and act surprised when half his players throw hissy fits and the game breaks up early. My advice is to overlook this option and carry on. It is a legal option, but it's not a smart legal option.
Pinky's brain 03-07-07, 01:37 AM	You could create it at level 1 if you had the money.
Dragom 03-07-07, 03:23 AM	3rd, You need craft wonderous item first. The cost to craft could perhaps be managed with standard wealth by 6th level if you liquidated some of your assets. Though a lot of campaigns aren't standard wealth.
cbradshaw007 03-07-07, 11:05 AM	Affording it isnt the issue since I can craft it for half and then I also have extrodinary artisan. The question is more of why would the book list it as a CL 18? I understand the overpowerment of the item. What I want to clearify is the actual rules (or guidelines) for creating the item. An item has prerequisits spells that I must have or emulate to create the item. Then it has a CL X value that is listed. I understand the CL is supposed to be of the person crafting the item. If I create this item since I can emulate all six spells, then is my version of the item CL 4 since I am 4th level?
Dragom 03-07-07, 11:39 AM	In theory it has a crafter who has 6 second level slots.
cbradshaw007 03-07-07, 11:53 AM	As an artificer, that limitation is not an issue. I dont memorize or use infusions, I emulate each spell needed fot the item. I do have to meet the CL -2 for the spell. On a further note, in searching in another forum I found a similar question and understand mine better now. Thank you for your help.