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Eberron SRD [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Jeebus2010
08-26-07, 07:48 AM is there an Eberron SRD site like the D20srd.org site? anywhere i can look up stuff from the ECS with out having to dig through my room to find the book?
N3palm
08-26-07, 08:03 AM Wouldn't that have, like, copyright issues?
Fabius Maximus
08-26-07, 08:35 AM Wouldn't that have, like, copyright issues?
Nah, where'd you get that? Eberron was made to be free for all. Didn't you know that Wizards of the Coast was a charitable organization rather than a company that has to sell it's products in order to survive?

;)
Kreistor2
08-26-07, 10:20 AM Jeebus, no, nothing has ever been made Open License for the Eberron campaign setting. Sorry.
heftyj
08-27-07, 01:42 AM maybe crystalkeep.com
Loki5654
08-27-07, 02:16 PM is there an Eberron SRD site like the D20srd.org site? anywhere i can look up stuff from the ECS with out having to dig through my room to find the book?
Nope. You'll need to dig out the book. Its a good book, why did you let it get buried in the first place?
maybe crystalkeep.com
No. Just no.

That entire site is one giant copyright infringement, in my opinion. I'm confident the WoTC legal team has them in their sights.
glug
08-27-07, 03:33 PM Regarding that site, what makes me sad is that I have every last Eberron book, and a number of core/generic/class books, and I will never be able to find a legal document or site that gives me the quick access I want for such things as magic item creation, as 'that site' does.

The Consolidated Lists (main page down, if you have old bookmarks, still up) on the WoTC site are as close as I've come to official indexes that are helpful. Still, too much stuff resides in too many books, and I'll wager the fear is that if you put too much of it in one place, that 'once place' will replace book sales.
Michael_Silverforge
08-27-07, 03:47 PM ...I will never be able to find a legal document or site that gives me the quick access I want for such things as magic item creation, as 'that site' does.
...

the d20srd.org site?
Michael_Silverforge
08-27-07, 03:52 PM ___
Fabius Maximus
08-27-07, 08:01 PM That entire site is one giant copyright infringement, in my opinion. I'm confident the WoTC legal team has them in their sights.

You know that the material on crystalkeep.com isn't complete?
Alex_
08-27-07, 08:28 PM Speaking of Crystalkeep, what is WOTC's stance on it? Does it provide just enough information and no more so as to avoid breaking copyright laws, or have they already crossed that line?
Edymnion
08-27-07, 09:13 PM is there an Eberron SRD site like the D20srd.org site? anywhere i can look up stuff from the ECS with out having to dig through my room to find the book?No, the SRD only contains open source information. The stuff WotC gives away for free. Eberron is entirely closed source, hence it will never be in any SRD.
That entire site is one giant copyright infringement, in my opinion. I'm confident the WoTC legal team has them in their sights.If they do, they've been sighting them up for at least 5 years now.Speaking of Crystalkeep, what is WOTC's stance on it? Does it provide just enough information and no more so as to avoid breaking copyright laws, or have they already crossed that line?I honestly don't know.

I know WotC knows about Crystalkeep, because even I've reported it to their legal department years ago. However, somehow it manages to stay up.
heftyj
08-28-07, 02:07 AM I thought crystalkeep was in league with WoTC. hm well i guess I thought wrong.
ArcTan
08-28-07, 02:39 AM Whether or not WotC has the *right* to do so, shutting down a site that merely indexes rather than really "stealing" your IP is not a way to gain fans, nor is it really likely to increase your profits.

I think they've learned this lesson over time.
Loki5654
08-28-07, 04:36 PM If they do, they've been sighting them up for at least 5 years now. I honestly don't know.
That's because because Crystalkeep is so close to the line it requires the use of an electron microscope to see if they are over it or not.
I know WotC knows about Crystalkeep, because even I've reported it to their legal department years ago. However, somehow it manages to stay up.
I've reported it, too. WoTC gave the "We don't comment on ongoing investigations" comment, which means they're legal-eagles are still working on it.
You know that the material on crystalkeep.com isn't complete?
It is complete enough (in my opinion) that it constitutes a reasonable substitution for the books. This means that (again, in my opinion) it violates WoTC IP. Thus, Wizards makes less money. Thus, Wizards must either make fewer of the books I like or charge more for the ones they do make. Thus, it directly effects my pocketbook.

I say: Shut it down.

But that's just me.
glug
08-29-07, 09:30 AM the d20srd.org site?

In what section of d20srd.org do they list, sorted by price, a synopsis of all magic items from each of the books and magazines I've purchased, including a book/magazine page reference, brief description, cost to create, and min caster level to create?

I know the OGL/d20SRD stuff is out there, and it's great. If I'm interested in a specific spell or rule or something that's part of 'core', I click in my little firefox search box, type the word, and bam! instant gratification. If, however, I want to know something that's in one of the 50 books on my bookshelf while I'm at work, what are my options? What about if I'm interested in crafting something interesting with my artificer? Granted, the MIC is a great resource now, but it doesn't include all of the hundreds of items from multiple sources in an easy to look for reference complete with options for sorted by cost, caster level, slot, etc.

There are a number of tools out there that help in managing your character or campaign, and managing the fact that you have 50 books to look through if you want to do something. Some of these only list the open source stuff. Some don't. There was going to be a PCGen project that WotC was behind, and was going to re-sell me the data to the books I purchased for 2-5 bucks a pop so that I can get them through that software, but they scrapped the idea.

Of course I understand the need for protecting your books. But unless WotC understands the need for conveniently accessing indexes like crystalkeep puts together, so that you can get all of what you need in one spot, or reference the full material for the long descriptions, full rules and flavor that goes along with a feat/spell/item/etc, people will be putting them out there.
Alex_
08-29-07, 10:36 AM In what section of d20srd.org do they list, sorted by price, a synopsis of all magic items from each of the books and magazines I've purchased, including a book/magazine page reference, brief description, cost to create, and min caster level to create?

I know the OGL/d20SRD stuff is out there, and it's great. If I'm interested in a specific spell or rule or something that's part of 'core', I click in my little firefox search box, type the word, and bam! instant gratification. If, however, I want to know something that's in one of the 50 books on my bookshelf while I'm at work, what are my options? What about if I'm interested in crafting something interesting with my artificer? Granted, the MIC is a great resource now, but it doesn't include all of the hundreds of items from multiple sources in an easy to look for reference complete with options for sorted by cost, caster level, slot, etc.

There are a number of tools out there that help in managing your character or campaign, and managing the fact that you have 50 books to look through if you want to do something. Some of these only list the open source stuff. Some don't. There was going to be a PCGen project that WotC was behind, and was going to re-sell me the data to the books I purchased for 2-5 bucks a pop so that I can get them through that software, but they scrapped the idea.

Of course I understand the need for protecting your books. But unless WotC understands the need for conveniently accessing indexes like crystalkeep puts together, so that you can get all of what you need in one spot, or reference the full material for the long descriptions, full rules and flavor that goes along with a feat/spell/item/etc, people will be putting them out there.

Well you may not want to hear this, but while there won't be anything like this for 3.0/3.5, there might very well be a system like this for 4.0 D&D. Of course that means purchasing the books so that you can get the code you need for the digital version.
glug
08-29-07, 03:06 PM Certainly, I don't *want* to hear that, and I will tell myself until around May that I will not be repurchasing everything that I have.

Then I will buy all the 4e, and all of the new releases of the FR stuff (since all I have is Eberron, which I also love.. ), and that will be that.

As an adult, I can too easily convince myself that it's ok to shell out 20-40 a month on new books that I might get around to reading, and may use a little bit of the contents of for inspiration or flavor or a feat or a spell.

I just hope that the digitization that they put in place is really helpful, without being overly a burden on the wallet. I would be content with a MMO-like 1-to-1 account system where I can register a unique ID for each book that I purchase, and it unlocks that content for an online system so that I have access to those sources in whatever database/etc system they put in place. That would be awesome.
Kreistor2
08-29-07, 07:17 PM It's not everything, but here's a link that can help find some things:

Consolidated Lists (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/arch/lists)
Edymnion
08-30-07, 08:34 AM Whether or not WotC has the *right* to do so, shutting down a site that merely indexes rather than really "stealing" your IP is not a way to gain fans, nor is it really likely to increase your profits.Except that CrystalKeep goes beyond just "indexing", and actually lists the benefits of many things.

The PrC lists includes full prereqs/saves/bab/skills and the first two level dependant class features. If you put that much up here on the boards, you'd get slapped for breaking copyright.

I won't even get into the feats, which just put *ALL* of the information up there. At least the PrC you could make a case for, since it doesn't list all of the class abilities, but the feats are just 100% there.
Well you may not want to hear this, but while there won't be anything like this for 3.0/3.5, there might very well be a system like this for 4.0 D&D. Of course that means purchasing the books so that you can get the code you need for the digital version.You buy the books, then pay "a nominal fee" to activate the digital version. In other words, you pay for the hardcopy so that you can then pay for the digital copy.
ArcTan
08-30-07, 05:21 PM Except that CrystalKeep goes beyond just "indexing", and actually lists the benefits of many things.

The PrC lists includes full prereqs/saves/bab/skills and the first two level dependant class features. If you put that much up here on the boards, you'd get slapped for breaking copyright.

Not always. Only if someone notices/complains.

I think the point is that it's always up to the rights-holder to determine whether to press charges for a particular infringement, based on whether they think that infringement is harmful to them. It wouldn't actually be in J.K. Rowling's best interests to hunt down and sue every person who writes Harry Potter fanfic on the Web. It's likewise probably not in WotC's best interests to put the kibosh on everyone who gives away some of their copyrighted material (for many of the same reasons).
heftyj
09-03-07, 03:21 AM wait if crystalkeep is a big legal action waiting to happen, why isnt D20SRD? I go there, I use it, but it seems like that its the same as crystalkeep.
Fabius Maximus
09-03-07, 08:58 AM wait if crystalkeep is a big legal action waiting to happen, why isnt D20SRD? I go there, I use it, but it seems like that its the same as crystalkeep.
The SRD ist open content, and crystalkeep.com has some non-open content.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Jeebus2010 08-26-07, 07:48 AM	is there an Eberron SRD site like the D20srd.org site? anywhere i can look up stuff from the ECS with out having to dig through my room to find the book?
N3palm 08-26-07, 08:03 AM	Wouldn't that have, like, copyright issues?
Fabius Maximus 08-26-07, 08:35 AM	Wouldn't that have, like, copyright issues? Nah, where'd you get that? Eberron was made to be free for all. Didn't you know that Wizards of the Coast was a charitable organization rather than a company that has to sell it's products in order to survive? ;)
Kreistor2 08-26-07, 10:20 AM	Jeebus, no, nothing has ever been made Open License for the Eberron campaign setting. Sorry.
heftyj 08-27-07, 01:42 AM	maybe crystalkeep.com
Loki5654 08-27-07, 02:16 PM	is there an Eberron SRD site like the D20srd.org site? anywhere i can look up stuff from the ECS with out having to dig through my room to find the book? Nope. You'll need to dig out the book. Its a good book, why did you let it get buried in the first place? maybe crystalkeep.com No. Just no. That entire site is one giant copyright infringement, in my opinion. I'm confident the WoTC legal team has them in their sights.
glug 08-27-07, 03:33 PM	Regarding that site, what makes me sad is that I have every last Eberron book, and a number of core/generic/class books, and I will never be able to find a legal document or site that gives me the quick access I want for such things as magic item creation, as 'that site' does. The Consolidated Lists (main page down, if you have old bookmarks, still up) on the WoTC site are as close as I've come to official indexes that are helpful. Still, too much stuff resides in too many books, and I'll wager the fear is that if you put too much of it in one place, that 'once place' will replace book sales.
Michael_Silverforge 08-27-07, 03:47 PM	...I will never be able to find a legal document or site that gives me the quick access I want for such things as magic item creation, as 'that site' does. ... the d20srd.org site?
Michael_Silverforge 08-27-07, 03:52 PM	___
Fabius Maximus 08-27-07, 08:01 PM	That entire site is one giant copyright infringement, in my opinion. I'm confident the WoTC legal team has them in their sights. You know that the material on crystalkeep.com isn't complete?
Alex_ 08-27-07, 08:28 PM	Speaking of Crystalkeep, what is WOTC's stance on it? Does it provide just enough information and no more so as to avoid breaking copyright laws, or have they already crossed that line?
Edymnion 08-27-07, 09:13 PM	is there an Eberron SRD site like the D20srd.org site? anywhere i can look up stuff from the ECS with out having to dig through my room to find the book?No, the SRD only contains open source information. The stuff WotC gives away for free. Eberron is entirely closed source, hence it will never be in any SRD. That entire site is one giant copyright infringement, in my opinion. I'm confident the WoTC legal team has them in their sights.If they do, they've been sighting them up for at least 5 years now.Speaking of Crystalkeep, what is WOTC's stance on it? Does it provide just enough information and no more so as to avoid breaking copyright laws, or have they already crossed that line?I honestly don't know. I know WotC knows about Crystalkeep, because even I've reported it to their legal department years ago. However, somehow it manages to stay up.
heftyj 08-28-07, 02:07 AM	I thought crystalkeep was in league with WoTC. hm well i guess I thought wrong.
ArcTan 08-28-07, 02:39 AM	Whether or not WotC has the right to do so, shutting down a site that merely indexes rather than really "stealing" your IP is not a way to gain fans, nor is it really likely to increase your profits. I think they've learned this lesson over time.
Loki5654 08-28-07, 04:36 PM	If they do, they've been sighting them up for at least 5 years now. I honestly don't know. That's because because Crystalkeep is so close to the line it requires the use of an electron microscope to see if they are over it or not. I know WotC knows about Crystalkeep, because even I've reported it to their legal department years ago. However, somehow it manages to stay up. I've reported it, too. WoTC gave the "We don't comment on ongoing investigations" comment, which means they're legal-eagles are still working on it. You know that the material on crystalkeep.com isn't complete? It is complete enough (in my opinion) that it constitutes a reasonable substitution for the books. This means that (again, in my opinion) it violates WoTC IP. Thus, Wizards makes less money. Thus, Wizards must either make fewer of the books I like or charge more for the ones they do make. Thus, it directly effects my pocketbook. I say: Shut it down. But that's just me.
glug 08-29-07, 09:30 AM	the d20srd.org site? In what section of d20srd.org do they list, sorted by price, a synopsis of all magic items from each of the books and magazines I've purchased, including a book/magazine page reference, brief description, cost to create, and min caster level to create? I know the OGL/d20SRD stuff is out there, and it's great. If I'm interested in a specific spell or rule or something that's part of 'core', I click in my little firefox search box, type the word, and bam! instant gratification. If, however, I want to know something that's in one of the 50 books on my bookshelf while I'm at work, what are my options? What about if I'm interested in crafting something interesting with my artificer? Granted, the MIC is a great resource now, but it doesn't include all of the hundreds of items from multiple sources in an easy to look for reference complete with options for sorted by cost, caster level, slot, etc. There are a number of tools out there that help in managing your character or campaign, and managing the fact that you have 50 books to look through if you want to do something. Some of these only list the open source stuff. Some don't. There was going to be a PCGen project that WotC was behind, and was going to re-sell me the data to the books I purchased for 2-5 bucks a pop so that I can get them through that software, but they scrapped the idea. Of course I understand the need for protecting your books. But unless WotC understands the need for conveniently accessing indexes like crystalkeep puts together, so that you can get all of what you need in one spot, or reference the full material for the long descriptions, full rules and flavor that goes along with a feat/spell/item/etc, people will be putting them out there.
Alex_ 08-29-07, 10:36 AM	In what section of d20srd.org do they list, sorted by price, a synopsis of all magic items from each of the books and magazines I've purchased, including a book/magazine page reference, brief description, cost to create, and min caster level to create? I know the OGL/d20SRD stuff is out there, and it's great. If I'm interested in a specific spell or rule or something that's part of 'core', I click in my little firefox search box, type the word, and bam! instant gratification. If, however, I want to know something that's in one of the 50 books on my bookshelf while I'm at work, what are my options? What about if I'm interested in crafting something interesting with my artificer? Granted, the MIC is a great resource now, but it doesn't include all of the hundreds of items from multiple sources in an easy to look for reference complete with options for sorted by cost, caster level, slot, etc. There are a number of tools out there that help in managing your character or campaign, and managing the fact that you have 50 books to look through if you want to do something. Some of these only list the open source stuff. Some don't. There was going to be a PCGen project that WotC was behind, and was going to re-sell me the data to the books I purchased for 2-5 bucks a pop so that I can get them through that software, but they scrapped the idea. Of course I understand the need for protecting your books. But unless WotC understands the need for conveniently accessing indexes like crystalkeep puts together, so that you can get all of what you need in one spot, or reference the full material for the long descriptions, full rules and flavor that goes along with a feat/spell/item/etc, people will be putting them out there. Well you may not want to hear this, but while there won't be anything like this for 3.0/3.5, there might very well be a system like this for 4.0 D&D. Of course that means purchasing the books so that you can get the code you need for the digital version.
glug 08-29-07, 03:06 PM	Certainly, I don't want to hear that, and I will tell myself until around May that I will not be repurchasing everything that I have. Then I will buy all the 4e, and all of the new releases of the FR stuff (since all I have is Eberron, which I also love.. ), and that will be that. As an adult, I can too easily convince myself that it's ok to shell out 20-40 a month on new books that I might get around to reading, and may use a little bit of the contents of for inspiration or flavor or a feat or a spell. I just hope that the digitization that they put in place is really helpful, without being overly a burden on the wallet. I would be content with a MMO-like 1-to-1 account system where I can register a unique ID for each book that I purchase, and it unlocks that content for an online system so that I have access to those sources in whatever database/etc system they put in place. That would be awesome.
Kreistor2 08-29-07, 07:17 PM	It's not everything, but here's a link that can help find some things: Consolidated Lists (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/arch/lists)
Edymnion 08-30-07, 08:34 AM	Whether or not WotC has the right to do so, shutting down a site that merely indexes rather than really "stealing" your IP is not a way to gain fans, nor is it really likely to increase your profits.Except that CrystalKeep goes beyond just "indexing", and actually lists the benefits of many things. The PrC lists includes full prereqs/saves/bab/skills and the first two level dependant class features. If you put that much up here on the boards, you'd get slapped for breaking copyright. I won't even get into the feats, which just put ALL of the information up there. At least the PrC you could make a case for, since it doesn't list all of the class abilities, but the feats are just 100% there. Well you may not want to hear this, but while there won't be anything like this for 3.0/3.5, there might very well be a system like this for 4.0 D&D. Of course that means purchasing the books so that you can get the code you need for the digital version.You buy the books, then pay "a nominal fee" to activate the digital version. In other words, you pay for the hardcopy so that you can then pay for the digital copy.
ArcTan 08-30-07, 05:21 PM	Except that CrystalKeep goes beyond just "indexing", and actually lists the benefits of many things. The PrC lists includes full prereqs/saves/bab/skills and the first two level dependant class features. If you put that much up here on the boards, you'd get slapped for breaking copyright. Not always. Only if someone notices/complains. I think the point is that it's always up to the rights-holder to determine whether to press charges for a particular infringement, based on whether they think that infringement is harmful to them. It wouldn't actually be in J.K. Rowling's best interests to hunt down and sue every person who writes Harry Potter fanfic on the Web. It's likewise probably not in WotC's best interests to put the kibosh on everyone who gives away some of their copyrighted material (for many of the same reasons).
heftyj 09-03-07, 03:21 AM	wait if crystalkeep is a big legal action waiting to happen, why isnt D20SRD? I go there, I use it, but it seems like that its the same as crystalkeep.
Fabius Maximus 09-03-07, 08:58 AM	wait if crystalkeep is a big legal action waiting to happen, why isnt D20SRD? I go there, I use it, but it seems like that its the same as crystalkeep. The SRD ist open content, and crystalkeep.com has some non-open content.