Eep! Another Drow Idea/Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Eep! Another Drow Idea/Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Magicianguy131
04-06-07, 09:00 PM Hi ya'all,

I have always loved the idea of drow living underground. It just feels cool. I also love Eberron. So I was wondering if it would be ok (balanced and all of that) if they mostly lived underground. Seeing the new drow book made me think about this question.

Also, would it be ok if the Drow worship spiders and not the scropy-thingy? I just like that idea...............*sigh*....I like spiders.....

Magicianguy131
Tevin Kevlak
04-06-07, 11:39 PM Where a race resides doesn't imbalance the race...

There are a number of different cultures among the Drow of Xendrik, if you'd like to create one that venerates spiders no one can stop you.
Magicianguy131
04-07-07, 12:13 PM Where a race resides doesn't imbalance the race...

There are a number of different cultures among the Drow of Xendrik, if you'd like to create one that venerates spiders no one can stop you.

I expected that. I just didnt know if in some other Eberron book wouldnt allow it.

THanks :-P
Edymnion
04-07-07, 01:43 PM Don't remember where I heard it (may have been one of Keith's posts here on the boards), but the drow do indeed worship many differant totem animals as gods, not just Vulkoor the Scorpion. One of these is indeed a giant spider.

As for underground, thats a little harder to do, but don't forget that the giant ruins are huge, and could very well have extensive underground sections.

As an entire race though, no, I would not try to make them into Faerun drow again. A small subset of the race that lives in underground tunnels and worships a giant spider, sure. Not all of them though.
Sivis
04-07-07, 02:08 PM Don't remember where I heard it (may have been one of Keith's posts here on the boards), but the drow do indeed worship many differant totem animals as gods, not just Vulkoor the Scorpion. One of these is indeed a giant spider.

As for underground, thats a little harder to do, but don't forget that the giant ruins are huge, and could very well have extensive underground sections.

As an entire race though, no, I would not try to make them into Faerun drow again. A small subset of the race that lives in underground tunnels and worships a giant spider, sure. Not all of them though.

How about that the "savage drow" are more or less pawns in a larger subsections of drow underground. Using them to scare away people and uses them for fighting.
Romulus LoneWolf
04-07-07, 05:37 PM I also like the idea of having one or two tribes of Drow spider-worshippers, but I wouldn't get rid of the scorpion-lovers either. I like the idea of variety amongst the dark elves.
KidChainsaw
04-07-07, 05:50 PM As I understand it, Eberron drow are pretty much subterranean (sp?) anyway. They live in largely enclosed and/or underground ruins left by their former giant masters and have developed darkvision and light sensitivity because of this. Seems foolish to me if they didn't expand those tunnels when their population grew too large.

Though one wonders if the new drow book will mention anything specific about the drow of Eberron or just be an homage to scimitar twirling whiney-boys.

Sorry but Faerun makes me twitch.
DragoonDarkfire
04-07-07, 06:18 PM As I understand it, Eberron drow are pretty much subterranean (sp?) anyway. They live in largely enclosed and/or underground ruins left by their former giant masters and have developed darkvision and light sensitivity because of this. Seems foolish to me if they didn't expand those tunnels when their population grew too large.

Though one wonders if the new drow book will mention anything specific about the drow of Eberron or just be an homage to scimitar twirling whiney-boys.

Sorry but Faerun makes me twitch.

Xendrik is a land of horrors. I don't think the drow population is that large.
Edymnion
04-07-07, 06:20 PM As I understand it, Eberron drow are pretty much subterranean (sp?) anyway.What makes you think that? Everything we've seen say they are jungle dwellers, not subterranean.
KidChainsaw
04-07-07, 06:38 PM Forget which book it was in (ECS or Races of Eberron) but read somewhere that the rationale for drow having darkvision was that they lived in ruins and under dense canopy where there wasn't any sunlight.
Nuclear_Buddha
04-07-07, 06:39 PM The Dragonshard game featured a big underground drow city.

I prefer them on the surface myself, though.
KidChainsaw
04-07-07, 06:50 PM Lounging underground or basking in the sun...anything but an overused cliche.
Bluebrush
04-07-07, 08:15 PM The Dragonshard game featured a big underground drow city.You may be confusing them with the Qalbalrin ruins.

Though the Umbragen (A drow subrace. Yes, that's right. A sub-subrace.) do have a subterrainian civilisation based around a vast well of dark energy known as the Umbra.
Edymnion
04-07-07, 09:06 PM Forget which book it was in (ECS or Races of Eberron) but read somewhere that the rationale for drow having darkvision was that they lived in ruins and under dense canopy where there wasn't any sunlight.Living in ruins and under a dense canopy is vastly differant than living underground.
Nuclear_Buddha
04-08-07, 01:26 PM You may be confusing them with the Qalbalrin ruins.

Though the Umbragen (A drow subrace. Yes, that's right. A sub-subrace.) do have a subterrainian civilisation based around a vast well of dark energy known as the Umbra.

Oh, I knew exactly what I was talking about. Drow by any other name smell just as cheesy.
The Ubbergeek
04-08-07, 02:27 PM Oh, I knew exactly what I was talking about. Drow by any other name smell just as cheesy.

Drow (and FR) are not any more cheesy than doppleganger race or living golems.
Sivis
04-08-07, 03:02 PM Drow (and FR) are not any more cheesy than doppleganger race or living golems.

Wa??? I for one LOVE dopplegangers & changelings.
KidChainsaw
04-08-07, 05:13 PM Thirty feet below the surface or three quarters of a mile below is still underground. Both Eberron and Faerun drow live away from the sun and occaissionally foray out into it for raids/warfare. Sounds similar enough to me.
SquirrelMortis
04-09-07, 09:06 AM Drow (and FR) are not any more cheesy than doppleganger race or living golems.

That's your opinion.
Nuclear_Buddha
04-09-07, 10:57 AM Drow (and FR) are not any more cheesy than doppleganger race or living golems.

Possibly true. However, neither of those is saddled with as much crudtastic fanboy love and overuse. Not yet at least.
Bluebrush
04-09-07, 11:55 AM Forget which book it was in (ECS or Races of Eberron) but read somewhere that the rationale for drow having darkvision was that they lived in ruins and under dense canopy where there wasn't any sunlight.The alternative: Drow were created by the giants, some say by binding the "Essence of Night" to them. So they get nifty darkness related powers, like the ability to see in the dark.

So the subterrainian/jungle/nocturnal living is caused by the dark vision, not the reverse.

As always, do as you please in your own game.
goblin_pride
04-09-07, 12:15 PM Drow (and FR) are not any more cheesy than doppleganger race or living golems.

Blasphemy! There is nothing in the changeling or warforged compared to the cheese of the Drow. I loathe the level of exploitation that they've received because of that one (yes, one) good Drow from a novel. Gods forbid someone actually play an evil Drow as I was rather fond of doing back when I had only the Forgotten Realms to play in.
Kid SixXx
04-09-07, 12:19 PM Living in ruins and under a dense canopy is vastly differant than living underground.

Have you ever been to an actual rain forest at night (I despise the word "jungle")?

I have, so I can buy the dense canopy argument to a certain degree, especially with the caveat that Xen'Drik's rain forests are relatively unspoiled and conceivably denser than the ones in the Amazon.

But yeah, Darkvision is one thing and ignoring the need for Drow to take the Light Adaptation is a whole 'nother story. It's not so dark under a dark canopy at normal daylight where you could ignore any Light Sensitivity detriments that a particular race had.
The Ubbergeek
04-09-07, 02:14 PM Blasphemy! There is nothing in the changeling or warforged compared to the cheese of the Drow. I loathe the level of exploitation that they've received because of that one (yes, one) good Drow from a novel. Gods forbid someone actually play an evil Drow as I was rather fond of doing back when I had only the Forgotten Realms to play in.

Peoples play a LOT of evil drow. Don't fall in the cliché.

It's just that the good drow thing is - not unlike Eberron, note - many are tired also of the grey and white views. If Orcs of Eberron can be noble savage....

And some of Eberron's races really give a cheesy or already done vibe when you look at it the first time.
Faithful_One
04-09-07, 03:44 PM And some of Eberron's races really give a cheesy or already done vibe when you look at it the first time.
I had quite the reverse feeling when i picked up Eberron.
I was acttualy in a bit of a fantasy slump at the time. I had mostly only been reading FF novels and had run into a bad batch of book. Eberron was just the fresh start I needed.
On a side note a later got Bridge to Terabithia (sp) and Peridode (sp) Street Station these kicked me right out of any of that slump that might have remained.:)
Zombomaniac
04-09-07, 03:51 PM Peoples play a LOT of evil drow. Don't fall in the cliché.

Recently i had a player who made a LG Drow Paladin (non-eberron game).
He didn't play it for the cliché, he has never read any FF books.
The Ubbergeek
04-09-07, 09:51 PM Yeah... first, good drow are not all cookie cutters, bad/stereotypes.

And if you look on the boards, there's a good numbers of drow players, evil or at least non-good ones.
Amaril
04-10-07, 10:11 AM Darkvision does not equate to subterranean. Look at orcs and gnolls.
Give credit where credit is due. Subterranean drow is not original to Forgotten Realms. The idea was initially presented in Greyhawk, and Forgotten Realms borrowed the idea and expanded it. You can see the first true drow city revisitied in the upcoming Drow of the Underdark.
goblin_pride
04-10-07, 10:19 AM Darkvision does not equate to subterranean. Look at orcs and gnolls.

Or goblins, hobgoblins, bugbears and any of the multitude of other things that normally go bump in the night. Things that can see in the dark are traditionally the things that humans fear.
Daydreamer
04-11-07, 04:08 AM The firebinders are an unknown quantity in numbers-they could be subterrean...but they are not really gonna emmulate faerun drow very accurately on account of not being spider worshippers.

Or you could make it a large, or even the largest group. But i wouldnt make all drow subterreanean.
Zombomaniac
04-11-07, 09:48 AM I always view Eberron Drow as being a little of both.
They live on the surface when it suits them and they live underground when it suits them.
There may be some that like one more then the other, but as a general rule they just don't much care.
Satori
04-20-07, 02:16 AM In all honesty, I like what the developers did with Eberron Drow.

1. They removed all the mystique from them ("What, Drow? Of course I've see one! They're all over Xendrik!")
2. They made them extremely primitive and tribal ("But...I want to play a Noble Dark Elf from a royal house with lots of shiny earings!")
3. They put them on a far away, remote island where they are incapable of simply popping up out of nowhere and spawning a batch of slack-jawed, goggle eyed fanboys.

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In fact, the new Dark Elves are more like grim Voodoo tribesmen than the aristocratic, oh-so-emo Drow of Faerun.

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yrogerg
04-20-07, 04:34 PM Give credit where credit is due. Subterranean drow is not original to Forgotten Realms. The idea was initially presented in Greyhawk, and Forgotten Realms borrowed the idea and expanded it. You can see the first true drow city revisitied in the upcoming Drow of the Underdark.

Give credit where credit is due :P Greyhawk didn't come up with the idea, either. The original Drow came from Norse myth, and they share this origin with the Deugar. In Norse myth, they lived deep under the World Tree, and they reason they were black-skinned was because they worked the forges there.
Amaril
04-20-07, 04:47 PM Give credit where credit is due :P Greyhawk didn't come up with the idea, either. The original Drow came from Norse myth, and they share this origin with the Deugar. In Norse myth, they lived deep under the World Tree, and they reason they were black-skinned was because they worked the forges there.

OK, the idea was initially presented in D&D via Greyhawk. :P
yrogerg
04-20-07, 04:52 PM OK, the idea was initially presented in D&D via Greyhawk. :P

Sure, but it is worth noting that they didn't pull the idea out of thin air.
korcheck
04-20-07, 04:54 PM Why is it that every so often an FR fan feels that they have to come to these boards and denigrate the game world? If there are eberron fans doing they shouldn't but for freaks sake let me read these threads without the opinionated FR boys bothering me. if you don't like it don't play it and go complain about how crappy you think eberron is to someone who agrees with you not on a board dedicated to the world.
Amaril
04-20-07, 05:01 PM Sure, but it is worth noting that they didn't pull the idea out of thin air.

While your knowledge of norse mythology is interesting, it still stands that a matriarchal society of subterranean dark elves with naturally black skin who worship a spider-themed demon goddess named Lolth (ignoring silly arguments about spelling) as a concept in D&D is not a product of Forgotten Realms, but a product of Greyhawk.
Satori
04-20-07, 05:15 PM Preach on Korcheck!
Romulus LoneWolf
04-20-07, 07:58 PM In all honesty, I like what the developers did with Eberron Drow.

1. They removed all the mystique from them ("What, Drow? Of course I've see one! They're all over Xendrik!")
2. They made them extremely primitive and tribal ("But...I want to play a Noble Dark Elf from a royal house with lots of shiny earings!")
3. They put them on a far away, remote island where they are incapable of simply popping up out of nowhere and spawning a batch of slack-jawed, goggle eyed fanboys.

1. They have a completly different mystique now, and that's the "tribesman from a strange distant land" mystique.
2. Just because someone hails from a more primitive society, it does not mean they're dull-witted, savage mud people. I can definetly see a Noble Dark Elf from a royal house with lots of shiny earings from Xen'drik. It's just that he's from a royal bloodline of tribal chieftains, and his earrings are in a more primitive design.
3. It just means the Drow who do show up anywhere else need a valid reason, that's all.

I do agree about the idea of getting away from FR Drow fanboyism, though.
Hideous Phidias
04-20-07, 08:22 PM Hi ya'all,

I have always loved the idea of drow living underground. It just feels cool. I also love Eberron. So I was wondering if it would be ok (balanced and all of that) if they mostly lived underground. Seeing the new drow book made me think about this question.

Also, would it be ok if the Drow worship spiders and not the scropy-thingy? I just like that idea...............*sigh*....I like spiders.....

Magicianguy131

I don't know if anyone pointed this out but scorpions are spiders ,or atleast related in some way. They are both Arachnida.
Romulus LoneWolf
04-20-07, 08:31 PM I don't know if anyone pointed this out but scorpions are spiders ,or atleast related in some way. They are both Arachnida.

I, personally, would have the Drow worship Scorpions and Spiders. Here's how I look at it... Vulkoor is the male patron god of the Drow, while Lolth (or a variation on the name, like Lo'loth) is the female patron god of the Drow.

Vulkoor embodies male attributes such as strength, aggression, hunting, and other "guy stuff".

Lolth embodies female attributes like cunning, thoughtful planning, diplomacy (or diplomatic manipulation) and the like...

In short, Yin and Yang.
Amaril
04-21-07, 04:29 PM I, personally, would have the Drow worship Scorpions and Spiders. Here's how I look at it... Vulkoor is the male patron god of the Drow, while Lolth (or a variation on the name, like Lo'loth) is the female patron god of the Drow.

Vulkoor embodies male attributes such as strength, aggression, hunting, and other "guy stuff".

Lolth embodies female attributes like cunning, thoughtful planning, diplomacy (or diplomatic manipulation) and the like...

In short, Yin and Yang.

Interesting since scorpions and spiders are natural enemies.
korcheck
04-21-07, 07:19 PM Interesting since scorpions and spiders are natural enemies.

Not always enemies, just competetors for the same food/resources. Of course they hunt one another as well.
AkumaDaimyo
04-22-07, 07:59 AM Getting away from FR drow fanboyism means JACK when there is now Eberron drow fanboysim. I love Eberron drow. I loved the drow characters introduced in Keith Bakers "The Dreaming Dark" series. The female drow chick is pretty awesome.

However I wish people would pick up more books on drow than just Drizzt. He is NOT the only good drow people. What about the Seven Sisters drow? Or that other good female drow from Daughter of the Drow? I think she's from the head house of Menzo? What of the Worshipers of Elistrayee in the War of the Spider Queen series and now in Widow's Sacrifice?

For non good drow read the Sellswords. Jarlaxle is a great character and I think he should kill Drizzt. He's so much more interesting and funny and just great to read about.

As far as drow other than the Scorpion worshipers in Eberron? Pick up Secrets of Xen Drik. It goes into detail about the other drow in Xen Drick.
korcheck
04-22-07, 11:47 AM For non good drow read the Sellswords. Jarlaxle is a great character and I think he should kill Drizzt. He's so much more interesting and funny and just great to read about.

Absolutley He is my favorite drow if I can be said to have one. I believe he's either LE or at best a N of some type.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Magicianguy131 04-06-07, 09:00 PM	Hi ya'all, I have always loved the idea of drow living underground. It just feels cool. I also love Eberron. So I was wondering if it would be ok (balanced and all of that) if they mostly lived underground. Seeing the new drow book made me think about this question. Also, would it be ok if the Drow worship spiders and not the scropy-thingy? I just like that idea...............sigh....I like spiders..... Magicianguy131
Tevin Kevlak 04-06-07, 11:39 PM	Where a race resides doesn't imbalance the race... There are a number of different cultures among the Drow of Xendrik, if you'd like to create one that venerates spiders no one can stop you.
Magicianguy131 04-07-07, 12:13 PM	Where a race resides doesn't imbalance the race... There are a number of different cultures among the Drow of Xendrik, if you'd like to create one that venerates spiders no one can stop you. I expected that. I just didnt know if in some other Eberron book wouldnt allow it. THanks :-P
Edymnion 04-07-07, 01:43 PM	Don't remember where I heard it (may have been one of Keith's posts here on the boards), but the drow do indeed worship many differant totem animals as gods, not just Vulkoor the Scorpion. One of these is indeed a giant spider. As for underground, thats a little harder to do, but don't forget that the giant ruins are huge, and could very well have extensive underground sections. As an entire race though, no, I would not try to make them into Faerun drow again. A small subset of the race that lives in underground tunnels and worships a giant spider, sure. Not all of them though.
Sivis 04-07-07, 02:08 PM	Don't remember where I heard it (may have been one of Keith's posts here on the boards), but the drow do indeed worship many differant totem animals as gods, not just Vulkoor the Scorpion. One of these is indeed a giant spider. As for underground, thats a little harder to do, but don't forget that the giant ruins are huge, and could very well have extensive underground sections. As an entire race though, no, I would not try to make them into Faerun drow again. A small subset of the race that lives in underground tunnels and worships a giant spider, sure. Not all of them though. How about that the "savage drow" are more or less pawns in a larger subsections of drow underground. Using them to scare away people and uses them for fighting.
Romulus LoneWolf 04-07-07, 05:37 PM	I also like the idea of having one or two tribes of Drow spider-worshippers, but I wouldn't get rid of the scorpion-lovers either. I like the idea of variety amongst the dark elves.
KidChainsaw 04-07-07, 05:50 PM	As I understand it, Eberron drow are pretty much subterranean (sp?) anyway. They live in largely enclosed and/or underground ruins left by their former giant masters and have developed darkvision and light sensitivity because of this. Seems foolish to me if they didn't expand those tunnels when their population grew too large. Though one wonders if the new drow book will mention anything specific about the drow of Eberron or just be an homage to scimitar twirling whiney-boys. Sorry but Faerun makes me twitch.
DragoonDarkfire 04-07-07, 06:18 PM	As I understand it, Eberron drow are pretty much subterranean (sp?) anyway. They live in largely enclosed and/or underground ruins left by their former giant masters and have developed darkvision and light sensitivity because of this. Seems foolish to me if they didn't expand those tunnels when their population grew too large. Though one wonders if the new drow book will mention anything specific about the drow of Eberron or just be an homage to scimitar twirling whiney-boys. Sorry but Faerun makes me twitch. Xendrik is a land of horrors. I don't think the drow population is that large.
Edymnion 04-07-07, 06:20 PM	As I understand it, Eberron drow are pretty much subterranean (sp?) anyway.What makes you think that? Everything we've seen say they are jungle dwellers, not subterranean.
KidChainsaw 04-07-07, 06:38 PM	Forget which book it was in (ECS or Races of Eberron) but read somewhere that the rationale for drow having darkvision was that they lived in ruins and under dense canopy where there wasn't any sunlight.
Nuclear_Buddha 04-07-07, 06:39 PM	The Dragonshard game featured a big underground drow city. I prefer them on the surface myself, though.
KidChainsaw 04-07-07, 06:50 PM	Lounging underground or basking in the sun...anything but an overused cliche.
Bluebrush 04-07-07, 08:15 PM	The Dragonshard game featured a big underground drow city.You may be confusing them with the Qalbalrin ruins. Though the Umbragen (A drow subrace. Yes, that's right. A sub-subrace.) do have a subterrainian civilisation based around a vast well of dark energy known as the Umbra.
Edymnion 04-07-07, 09:06 PM	Forget which book it was in (ECS or Races of Eberron) but read somewhere that the rationale for drow having darkvision was that they lived in ruins and under dense canopy where there wasn't any sunlight.Living in ruins and under a dense canopy is vastly differant than living underground.
Nuclear_Buddha 04-08-07, 01:26 PM	You may be confusing them with the Qalbalrin ruins. Though the Umbragen (A drow subrace. Yes, that's right. A sub-subrace.) do have a subterrainian civilisation based around a vast well of dark energy known as the Umbra. Oh, I knew exactly what I was talking about. Drow by any other name smell just as cheesy.
The Ubbergeek 04-08-07, 02:27 PM	Oh, I knew exactly what I was talking about. Drow by any other name smell just as cheesy. Drow (and FR) are not any more cheesy than doppleganger race or living golems.
Sivis 04-08-07, 03:02 PM	Drow (and FR) are not any more cheesy than doppleganger race or living golems. Wa??? I for one LOVE dopplegangers & changelings.
KidChainsaw 04-08-07, 05:13 PM	Thirty feet below the surface or three quarters of a mile below is still underground. Both Eberron and Faerun drow live away from the sun and occaissionally foray out into it for raids/warfare. Sounds similar enough to me.
SquirrelMortis 04-09-07, 09:06 AM	Drow (and FR) are not any more cheesy than doppleganger race or living golems. That's your opinion.
Nuclear_Buddha 04-09-07, 10:57 AM	Drow (and FR) are not any more cheesy than doppleganger race or living golems. Possibly true. However, neither of those is saddled with as much crudtastic fanboy love and overuse. Not yet at least.
Bluebrush 04-09-07, 11:55 AM	Forget which book it was in (ECS or Races of Eberron) but read somewhere that the rationale for drow having darkvision was that they lived in ruins and under dense canopy where there wasn't any sunlight.The alternative: Drow were created by the giants, some say by binding the "Essence of Night" to them. So they get nifty darkness related powers, like the ability to see in the dark. So the subterrainian/jungle/nocturnal living is caused by the dark vision, not the reverse. As always, do as you please in your own game.
goblin_pride 04-09-07, 12:15 PM	Drow (and FR) are not any more cheesy than doppleganger race or living golems. Blasphemy! There is nothing in the changeling or warforged compared to the cheese of the Drow. I loathe the level of exploitation that they've received because of that one (yes, one) good Drow from a novel. Gods forbid someone actually play an evil Drow as I was rather fond of doing back when I had only the Forgotten Realms to play in.
Kid SixXx 04-09-07, 12:19 PM	Living in ruins and under a dense canopy is vastly differant than living underground. Have you ever been to an actual rain forest at night (I despise the word "jungle")? I have, so I can buy the dense canopy argument to a certain degree, especially with the caveat that Xen'Drik's rain forests are relatively unspoiled and conceivably denser than the ones in the Amazon. But yeah, Darkvision is one thing and ignoring the need for Drow to take the Light Adaptation is a whole 'nother story. It's not so dark under a dark canopy at normal daylight where you could ignore any Light Sensitivity detriments that a particular race had.
The Ubbergeek 04-09-07, 02:14 PM	Blasphemy! There is nothing in the changeling or warforged compared to the cheese of the Drow. I loathe the level of exploitation that they've received because of that one (yes, one) good Drow from a novel. Gods forbid someone actually play an evil Drow as I was rather fond of doing back when I had only the Forgotten Realms to play in. Peoples play a LOT of evil drow. Don't fall in the cliché. It's just that the good drow thing is - not unlike Eberron, note - many are tired also of the grey and white views. If Orcs of Eberron can be noble savage.... And some of Eberron's races really give a cheesy or already done vibe when you look at it the first time.
Faithful_One 04-09-07, 03:44 PM	And some of Eberron's races really give a cheesy or already done vibe when you look at it the first time. I had quite the reverse feeling when i picked up Eberron. I was acttualy in a bit of a fantasy slump at the time. I had mostly only been reading FF novels and had run into a bad batch of book. Eberron was just the fresh start I needed. On a side note a later got Bridge to Terabithia (sp) and Peridode (sp) Street Station these kicked me right out of any of that slump that might have remained.:)
Zombomaniac 04-09-07, 03:51 PM	Peoples play a LOT of evil drow. Don't fall in the cliché. Recently i had a player who made a LG Drow Paladin (non-eberron game). He didn't play it for the cliché, he has never read any FF books.
The Ubbergeek 04-09-07, 09:51 PM	Yeah... first, good drow are not all cookie cutters, bad/stereotypes. And if you look on the boards, there's a good numbers of drow players, evil or at least non-good ones.
Amaril 04-10-07, 10:11 AM	Darkvision does not equate to subterranean. Look at orcs and gnolls. Give credit where credit is due. Subterranean drow is not original to Forgotten Realms. The idea was initially presented in Greyhawk, and Forgotten Realms borrowed the idea and expanded it. You can see the first true drow city revisitied in the upcoming Drow of the Underdark.
goblin_pride 04-10-07, 10:19 AM	Darkvision does not equate to subterranean. Look at orcs and gnolls. Or goblins, hobgoblins, bugbears and any of the multitude of other things that normally go bump in the night. Things that can see in the dark are traditionally the things that humans fear.
Daydreamer 04-11-07, 04:08 AM	The firebinders are an unknown quantity in numbers-they could be subterrean...but they are not really gonna emmulate faerun drow very accurately on account of not being spider worshippers. Or you could make it a large, or even the largest group. But i wouldnt make all drow subterreanean.
Zombomaniac 04-11-07, 09:48 AM	I always view Eberron Drow as being a little of both. They live on the surface when it suits them and they live underground when it suits them. There may be some that like one more then the other, but as a general rule they just don't much care.
Satori 04-20-07, 02:16 AM	In all honesty, I like what the developers did with Eberron Drow. 1. They removed all the mystique from them ("What, Drow? Of course I've see one! They're all over Xendrik!") 2. They made them extremely primitive and tribal ("But...I want to play a Noble Dark Elf from a royal house with lots of shiny earings!") 3. They put them on a far away, remote island where they are incapable of simply popping up out of nowhere and spawning a batch of slack-jawed, goggle eyed fanboys. --- In fact, the new Dark Elves are more like grim Voodoo tribesmen than the aristocratic, oh-so-emo Drow of Faerun. http://new.mytheme.com/mytheme/newbuddy/110548949229116.gif
yrogerg 04-20-07, 04:34 PM	Give credit where credit is due. Subterranean drow is not original to Forgotten Realms. The idea was initially presented in Greyhawk, and Forgotten Realms borrowed the idea and expanded it. You can see the first true drow city revisitied in the upcoming Drow of the Underdark. Give credit where credit is due :P Greyhawk didn't come up with the idea, either. The original Drow came from Norse myth, and they share this origin with the Deugar. In Norse myth, they lived deep under the World Tree, and they reason they were black-skinned was because they worked the forges there.
Amaril 04-20-07, 04:47 PM	Give credit where credit is due :P Greyhawk didn't come up with the idea, either. The original Drow came from Norse myth, and they share this origin with the Deugar. In Norse myth, they lived deep under the World Tree, and they reason they were black-skinned was because they worked the forges there. OK, the idea was initially presented in D&D via Greyhawk. :P
yrogerg 04-20-07, 04:52 PM	OK, the idea was initially presented in D&D via Greyhawk. :P Sure, but it is worth noting that they didn't pull the idea out of thin air.
korcheck 04-20-07, 04:54 PM	Why is it that every so often an FR fan feels that they have to come to these boards and denigrate the game world? If there are eberron fans doing they shouldn't but for freaks sake let me read these threads without the opinionated FR boys bothering me. if you don't like it don't play it and go complain about how crappy you think eberron is to someone who agrees with you not on a board dedicated to the world.
Amaril 04-20-07, 05:01 PM	Sure, but it is worth noting that they didn't pull the idea out of thin air. While your knowledge of norse mythology is interesting, it still stands that a matriarchal society of subterranean dark elves with naturally black skin who worship a spider-themed demon goddess named Lolth (ignoring silly arguments about spelling) as a concept in D&D is not a product of Forgotten Realms, but a product of Greyhawk.
Satori 04-20-07, 05:15 PM	Preach on Korcheck!
Romulus LoneWolf 04-20-07, 07:58 PM	In all honesty, I like what the developers did with Eberron Drow. 1. They removed all the mystique from them ("What, Drow? Of course I've see one! They're all over Xendrik!") 2. They made them extremely primitive and tribal ("But...I want to play a Noble Dark Elf from a royal house with lots of shiny earings!") 3. They put them on a far away, remote island where they are incapable of simply popping up out of nowhere and spawning a batch of slack-jawed, goggle eyed fanboys. 1. They have a completly different mystique now, and that's the "tribesman from a strange distant land" mystique. 2. Just because someone hails from a more primitive society, it does not mean they're dull-witted, savage mud people. I can definetly see a Noble Dark Elf from a royal house with lots of shiny earings from Xen'drik. It's just that he's from a royal bloodline of tribal chieftains, and his earrings are in a more primitive design. 3. It just means the Drow who do show up anywhere else need a valid reason, that's all. I do agree about the idea of getting away from FR Drow fanboyism, though.
Hideous Phidias 04-20-07, 08:22 PM	Hi ya'all, I have always loved the idea of drow living underground. It just feels cool. I also love Eberron. So I was wondering if it would be ok (balanced and all of that) if they mostly lived underground. Seeing the new drow book made me think about this question. Also, would it be ok if the Drow worship spiders and not the scropy-thingy? I just like that idea...............sigh....I like spiders..... Magicianguy131 I don't know if anyone pointed this out but scorpions are spiders ,or atleast related in some way. They are both Arachnida.
Romulus LoneWolf 04-20-07, 08:31 PM	I don't know if anyone pointed this out but scorpions are spiders ,or atleast related in some way. They are both Arachnida. I, personally, would have the Drow worship Scorpions and Spiders. Here's how I look at it... Vulkoor is the male patron god of the Drow, while Lolth (or a variation on the name, like Lo'loth) is the female patron god of the Drow. Vulkoor embodies male attributes such as strength, aggression, hunting, and other "guy stuff". Lolth embodies female attributes like cunning, thoughtful planning, diplomacy (or diplomatic manipulation) and the like... In short, Yin and Yang.
Amaril 04-21-07, 04:29 PM	I, personally, would have the Drow worship Scorpions and Spiders. Here's how I look at it... Vulkoor is the male patron god of the Drow, while Lolth (or a variation on the name, like Lo'loth) is the female patron god of the Drow. Vulkoor embodies male attributes such as strength, aggression, hunting, and other "guy stuff". Lolth embodies female attributes like cunning, thoughtful planning, diplomacy (or diplomatic manipulation) and the like... In short, Yin and Yang. Interesting since scorpions and spiders are natural enemies.
korcheck 04-21-07, 07:19 PM	Interesting since scorpions and spiders are natural enemies. Not always enemies, just competetors for the same food/resources. Of course they hunt one another as well.
AkumaDaimyo 04-22-07, 07:59 AM	Getting away from FR drow fanboyism means JACK when there is now Eberron drow fanboysim. I love Eberron drow. I loved the drow characters introduced in Keith Bakers "The Dreaming Dark" series. The female drow chick is pretty awesome. However I wish people would pick up more books on drow than just Drizzt. He is NOT the only good drow people. What about the Seven Sisters drow? Or that other good female drow from Daughter of the Drow? I think she's from the head house of Menzo? What of the Worshipers of Elistrayee in the War of the Spider Queen series and now in Widow's Sacrifice? For non good drow read the Sellswords. Jarlaxle is a great character and I think he should kill Drizzt. He's so much more interesting and funny and just great to read about. As far as drow other than the Scorpion worshipers in Eberron? Pick up Secrets of Xen Drik. It goes into detail about the other drow in Xen Drick.
korcheck 04-22-07, 11:47 AM	For non good drow read the Sellswords. Jarlaxle is a great character and I think he should kill Drizzt. He's so much more interesting and funny and just great to read about. Absolutley He is my favorite drow if I can be said to have one. I believe he's either LE or at best a N of some type.