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ahiman 04-12-07, 02:09 AM	So I was looking in secrets of sarlona and I found the part where the speaker of the word is a human and his sister is a kalashtar. How is this possible? Isn't it the case that any half race (half Orc, half elf, kalashtar...) that breeds with humans will have a half breed child? If this is not the case how does it work? Also can a half elf and a half Orc (or any other two half breeds) have a child together? If so what would that kid be? Thanks for the help?
shadowpavement 04-12-07, 07:52 AM	Kalashtar racial heritage isn't the same as other races since the Kalashtar were humans who bonded with a Quori spirit. I can't remember which book it was stated in (races of eberron???) that a portion of the quori spirit that makes one a Kalashtar is passed down from the parent that is the same gender as the child. So, for the speaker of the world and his sister, their mother would have been kalashtar, passing part of her quori spirit to her daughter but not her son. Leaving the daughter kalashtar but the son human. If their father had been kalashtar and the mother human then the son would have been kalashtar and the daughter human. If both parents were kalashtar then they would both be kalashtar. And just for clarification, Kalashtar are not a half breed race like half-orcs or half-elves. There isn't even a "half" in their name. The child of a kalshtar and a human is either kalashtar OR human, not half-kalashtar. As for the child of a half-orc and a half-elf.....hmm.....I'd prabably just rule that they were human. Since the child would be 1/4 orc, 1/4 elf. and 1/2 human then they have a majority of human blood. And since, even in Eberron, a child like that would most likely only be born in a city they would prabably be raised with alot of humans around they would prabably be more accustomed to a human world view. I can't imagine that the kid would be very attractive though. Maybe give the kid a feat pertaining to whichever parent the kid takes after more. Alertness for the half-elf parent, toughness for the half-orc parent. Hope that helps.
UnderworldLord 04-12-07, 10:18 AM	I can't imagine that the kid would be very attractive though. Maybe give the kid a feat pertaining to whichever parent the kid takes after more. Alertness for the half-elf parent, toughness for the half-orc parent. You could make that how mongrelfolk fit into your campaign world. Races of Destiny I believe.
ahiman 04-12-07, 02:36 PM	Thanks shadowpavement that was helpful. I guess I was just over reacting. In any event though, I like that mongral folk idea.
Creature_Mastermind 04-13-07, 11:35 PM	is there such a thing as half-Drawf i have had this though many times over in my head.
DreamChaser 04-14-07, 04:15 AM	is there such a thing as half-Drawf i have had this though many times over in my head. In most games, no there is no half dwarf. Dark Sun had the mule (or mul, the spelling varied) race which was half human, half dwarf. They were massively built, human height, hairless, hearty, and sterile. They were bred to be slaves and for no other purpose. DC
Phalo 04-25-07, 01:39 AM	I am pretty sure a half-orc half-elf would be considered half-human at least by elves and orcs. but once you get into that you start up that bloodlines stuff. Think of it this way if a holf elf and a human have a child it is still a half elf at least by elven standards
Longstrider23 04-26-07, 10:43 PM	Actually, now you've all got ME wondering: would a half, let's say shifter, be able to exist? If so, what would the abilities/appearance be like?
Alex_ 04-26-07, 11:19 PM	As for the child of a half-orc and a half-elf.... I don't think there's anything suggesting that would work. Orc and Elf breeds seem to be incompatible. Such a union would bear no children.
Longstrider23 04-27-07, 10:04 AM	I don't think there's anything suggesting that would work. Orc and Elf breeds seem to be incompatible. Such a union would bear no children. Actually, I disagree. I remember seeing somewhere a thread talking about something similar, and it talked about the fact that genetically, the child would be 1/4 orc, 1/4 elf, and 1/2 human. They suggested making the child human, with a bonus feat of either Alertness (for the elf) or Toughness (for the orc).
shadowpavement 04-27-07, 10:47 AM	Actually, I disagree. I remember seeing somewhere a thread talking about something similar, and it talked about the fact that genetically, the child would be 1/4 orc, 1/4 elf, and 1/2 human. They suggested making the child human, with a bonus feat of either Alertness (for the elf) or Toughness (for the orc). Look higher up in this thread Longstrider ;)
Alex_ 04-27-07, 11:37 AM	Actually, I disagree. I remember seeing somewhere a thread talking about something similar, and it talked about the fact that genetically, the child would be 1/4 orc, 1/4 elf, and 1/2 human. They suggested making the child human, with a bonus feat of either Alertness (for the elf) or Toughness (for the orc). There's nothing in the D&D rules that suggest Elves and Orcs can interbreed. This would make it impossible for Half-Orcs and Half-Elves to interbreed... according to existing published rules. If you want to get into actual genetics and biology (which is silly since D&D doesn't operate on that principle), then just because they're part human or have some human genetic material doesn't mean they can mate with anything else that a human can mate with. They would be missing a critical amount of genetic material, since the Orc and Elven DNA couldn't combine into anything useful, and you'd end up with some kind of severe mutation, which in the vast majority of instances, would result in a stillbirth or some fatal outcome during infancy. They can suggest many things in threads. A great many threads have little concern, if any for published rules. FOlks can use them in their games. However, I wouldn't think it a wise course of action to answer questions regarding published material with House Rules without touching upon what the published material suggests. You CAN rule that a Half-Orc an Half-Elf make a Human, just as much as you can rule that an Elf and an Orc make a Human, but according to published rules, there's no indication that any non-magical union where the participating parties have "Orc" or "Elf" in their name directly produces any kind of offspring.
shadowpavement 04-27-07, 07:22 PM	There's nothing in the D&D rules that suggest Elves and Orcs can interbreed. There is also nothing in the D&D rules that says that they CAN'T do it either. And seeing how this is a topic that will prabably never get any offical word either way, have a ball and do whatever floats your boat.....er......airship :D
Alex_ 04-27-07, 10:08 PM	There is also nothing in the D&D rules that says that they CAN'T do it either. There's no end to the things that AREN'T in the rules. And seeing how this is a topic that will prabably never get any official word either way, have a ball and do whatever floats your boat.....er......airship. That, I have no problem with: Rule 0 and all. However, for the benefit of people who ask questions about the game's rules, it is much more beneficial for them to hear how the published rules address something BEFORE hearing how each individual DM handles or house rules it. I'm not saying you can't rule it that way, but it's not the most proper response when someone unfamiliar with the rules asks about it. Like if someone asks what caused the Mourning, and I told them what I do in my campaign instead of explaining that it's never explained and is supposed to be a mystery according to published material.
TheAnthroDM 04-28-07, 03:26 AM	Kalashtar racial heritage isn't the same as other races since the Kalashtar were humans who bonded with a Quori spirit. I can't remember which book it was stated in (races of eberron???) that a portion of the quori spirit that makes one a Kalashtar is passed down from the parent that is the same gender as the child. So, for the speaker of the world and his sister, their mother would have been kalashtar, passing part of her quori spirit to her daughter but not her son. Leaving the daughter kalashtar but the son human. If their father had been kalashtar and the mother human then the son would have been kalashtar and the daughter human. If both parents were kalashtar then they would both be kalashtar. And just for clarification, Kalashtar are not a half breed race like half-orcs or half-elves. There isn't even a "half" in their name. The child of a kalshtar and a human is either kalashtar OR human, not half-kalashtar. As for the child of a half-orc and a half-elf.....hmm.....I'd prabably just rule that they were human. Since the child would be 1/4 orc, 1/4 elf. and 1/2 human then they have a majority of human blood. And since, even in Eberron, a child like that would most likely only be born in a city they would prabably be raised with alot of humans around they would prabably be more accustomed to a human world view. I can't imagine that the kid would be very attractive though. Maybe give the kid a feat pertaining to whichever parent the kid takes after more. Alertness for the half-elf parent, toughness for the half-orc parent. Hope that helps. Completely Correct. And yes the book was Races of Eberron. It blantantly stated "there is no such thing as a half-kalashtar"
Phalo 05-06-07, 09:53 PM	This is old addition stuff but i remember that the reason they gave for some creatures being able to interbreed was that some had such an innate magic they could cross all kinds of problems IE half dragons fey etc. Now as far as elf orc interbreeding i don't see why they couldn't but as far as elves are concerned it would be a half elf. It also probably would be sterile like a half dwarf/half human called a Mule but that was 2nd edition