Living Construct Subtype [Archive] - Wizards Community

Living Construct Subtype [Archive] - Wizards Community

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CalebCC
08-07-07, 02:00 PM Has anyone done aything with the living construct subtype since warforged? The only Eberron book I have is the campaign book, so I'm kinda in the dark here. Also, what all have you all done with the subtype? It seems to me a hard subtype to create stuff with. kthanks.
DragoonDarkfire
08-07-07, 02:40 PM Well there's the Warforged variants. Charger, scout and such.

There's also a template in Magic of Incarnum that grants a construct the subtype. Aside from that, not much else.
Edymnion
08-07-07, 07:07 PM There are several monsters that use it. Don't recall their proper names, but the Warforged squid, the Warforged Raptor (looks like a cross between a dragonfly and a goose, very stupid), and the Quorforged all use it, IIRC.
Belabras
08-07-07, 08:53 PM The new Modron stats use it too.
CalebCC
08-08-07, 10:52 AM Okay, how about some homebrew stuff?
naturax
08-08-07, 11:03 AM The new Modron stats use it too.

There's stats for the Modron? Where?
glug
08-08-07, 12:21 PM Since this is right up top, and my question is different but on the same subject, I figure I won't start a fresh thread. Punch me if I should have.

Warforged are Type: Construct and Sub-Type: Living Construct.
This means that they can't be effected by spells like "Enlarge Person", correct? Or anything that has target: humanoid?

What about psionic powers, such as 'Dominate, Psionic', which typically have augmentations that allow them to effect different Types, but never include Construct due to their lack of a mind in the first place? Should the Living Construct subtype be retro-included as a +2/+4 augment for mind-effecting psionic abilities?
CalebCC
08-08-07, 01:33 PM As far as spell go, that is correct. I don't have XPH, so i don't know about all that.

However, creating a new spell to target constructs would just be a matter of rewording it, and possibly making it a level higher, depending on how your players will use it. Maybe making it an artificer infusion instead might be enough too. Depends on your campaign.

No punches necessary.
MDosantos
08-08-07, 01:34 PM There's stats for the Modron? Where?

Dragon #354 :D
Ravenstein
08-08-07, 02:29 PM ...but the Warforged squid, the Warforged Raptor (looks like a cross between a dragonfly and a goose, very stupid)...

OMG! Warforged Squid?! Where is that? I have to use that!

I think I remember seeing those Raptors...where was that?
Rechan
08-08-07, 06:07 PM OMG! Warforged Squid?! Where is that? I have to use that!

I think I remember seeing those Raptors...where was that?

Squid: Five Nations.

Raptors: Forge of War.
Ravenstein
08-09-07, 09:02 AM Thanks! I went and checked those mobs yesterday. Enh, I was a bit disappointed in the Steel Kraken's stats. I expected something bigger.
Belkar
08-09-07, 11:35 AM Thanks! I went and checked those mobs yesterday. Enh, I was a bit disappointed in the Steel Kraken's stats. I expected something bigger.

Then whip out that Monster Manual and advance it in some hit dice! I used an advanced Steel Kraken of Legend as a nasty boss fight about a month ago. It was great!:D
bad_phil
08-09-07, 04:31 PM Is'nt the "warforged squid" the Steel Kraken actually? I don't recall a warforged squid in my book. By the way, the warforged scorpion exist in the Secret of Xen'drik Supplement. I don't remember if it got the living construct subtype.
CalebCC
08-10-07, 09:41 AM Yes, it is. Warforged Squid is just the pet nam for Steel Kraken.

DM:Who's a good little squiddy? My little warforged squiddy! Now go eat those mean little adventurers up and bring me back all those magical goodies they have. Yes, such a sweet little squiddy!
Ravenstein
08-10-07, 10:57 AM Yes, it is. Warforged Squid is just the pet nam for Steel Kraken.

DM:Who's a good little squiddy? My little warforged squiddy! Now go eat those mean little adventurers up and bring me back all those magical goodies they have. Yes, such a sweet little squiddy!

That was brilliantly disturbing...totally using that.
CalebCC
08-10-07, 12:11 PM Anytime. :) :D :)
CalebCC
08-10-07, 04:09 PM Okay, how about we make some stuff? I really don't have any eberron books other than the campaign books, so.....

What I was thinking was to make some new monsters and races, with some ideas listed below.

--a charismatic and smart, yet physically weak, weak warforged that excels at sellcasting.

uuuhhhhh, all I can think up know. brain strain, ya know.
Werebat
08-10-07, 08:35 PM Has anyone done aything with the living construct subtype since warforged? The only Eberron book I have is the campaign book, so I'm kinda in the dark here. Also, what all have you all done with the subtype? It seems to me a hard subtype to create stuff with. kthanks.

I use it to represent cyborgs in my post-apocalyptic campaign.

I even made up an Unliving Construct template for when my PCs fought the Iron Lich, who was himself an undead cyborg.

- Ron ^*^
dfarnsworth
08-11-07, 12:51 PM There was a template that gave the subtype. I think it was called Duststuffed or something and had to do with the Lords of Dust. Explorer's Handbook I think.
CalebCC
08-11-07, 05:38 PM Do you still have that unlving template lying around? That sounds right up my ally. Warforged vampires, I feel so warm inside!
Werebat
08-12-07, 03:00 PM Do you still have that unlving template lying around? That sounds right up my ally. Warforged vampires, I feel so warm inside!

Eesh, it was a long time ago... And it was a little complicated as I had enhanced the Effigy template to make Sheens in the same campaign, and this was more the basis for the real changes that made a difference.

IIRC I basically stuck Living Construct abilities onto the Undead type (there is a lot of overlap so not much problem there), added the Effigy template, and enhanced the lot by adding +2 Deflection bonus to AC (light force field), +1d6 electical damage to all natural attacks, and raised Int to 1 if it had previously been less than 1. Oh, I believe I made them harder to turn as well (Turning Resistance?)

In the case of the Iron Lich the bonuses were not extreme, although he had a better AC that he otherwise would have had. In the case of his zombie minions, though...

- Ron ^*^
CalebCC
08-13-07, 03:27 PM ooohhh....

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
CalebCC 08-07-07, 02:00 PM	Has anyone done aything with the living construct subtype since warforged? The only Eberron book I have is the campaign book, so I'm kinda in the dark here. Also, what all have you all done with the subtype? It seems to me a hard subtype to create stuff with. kthanks.
DragoonDarkfire 08-07-07, 02:40 PM	Well there's the Warforged variants. Charger, scout and such. There's also a template in Magic of Incarnum that grants a construct the subtype. Aside from that, not much else.
Edymnion 08-07-07, 07:07 PM	There are several monsters that use it. Don't recall their proper names, but the Warforged squid, the Warforged Raptor (looks like a cross between a dragonfly and a goose, very stupid), and the Quorforged all use it, IIRC.
Belabras 08-07-07, 08:53 PM	The new Modron stats use it too.
CalebCC 08-08-07, 10:52 AM	Okay, how about some homebrew stuff?
naturax 08-08-07, 11:03 AM	The new Modron stats use it too. There's stats for the Modron? Where?
glug 08-08-07, 12:21 PM	Since this is right up top, and my question is different but on the same subject, I figure I won't start a fresh thread. Punch me if I should have. Warforged are Type: Construct and Sub-Type: Living Construct. This means that they can't be effected by spells like "Enlarge Person", correct? Or anything that has target: humanoid? What about psionic powers, such as 'Dominate, Psionic', which typically have augmentations that allow them to effect different Types, but never include Construct due to their lack of a mind in the first place? Should the Living Construct subtype be retro-included as a +2/+4 augment for mind-effecting psionic abilities?
CalebCC 08-08-07, 01:33 PM	As far as spell go, that is correct. I don't have XPH, so i don't know about all that. However, creating a new spell to target constructs would just be a matter of rewording it, and possibly making it a level higher, depending on how your players will use it. Maybe making it an artificer infusion instead might be enough too. Depends on your campaign. No punches necessary.
MDosantos 08-08-07, 01:34 PM	There's stats for the Modron? Where? Dragon #354 :D
Ravenstein 08-08-07, 02:29 PM	...but the Warforged squid, the Warforged Raptor (looks like a cross between a dragonfly and a goose, very stupid)... OMG! Warforged Squid?! Where is that? I have to use that! I think I remember seeing those Raptors...where was that?
Rechan 08-08-07, 06:07 PM	OMG! Warforged Squid?! Where is that? I have to use that! I think I remember seeing those Raptors...where was that? Squid: Five Nations. Raptors: Forge of War.
Ravenstein 08-09-07, 09:02 AM	Thanks! I went and checked those mobs yesterday. Enh, I was a bit disappointed in the Steel Kraken's stats. I expected something bigger.
Belkar 08-09-07, 11:35 AM	Thanks! I went and checked those mobs yesterday. Enh, I was a bit disappointed in the Steel Kraken's stats. I expected something bigger. Then whip out that Monster Manual and advance it in some hit dice! I used an advanced Steel Kraken of Legend as a nasty boss fight about a month ago. It was great!:D
bad_phil 08-09-07, 04:31 PM	Is'nt the "warforged squid" the Steel Kraken actually? I don't recall a warforged squid in my book. By the way, the warforged scorpion exist in the Secret of Xen'drik Supplement. I don't remember if it got the living construct subtype.
CalebCC 08-10-07, 09:41 AM	Yes, it is. Warforged Squid is just the pet nam for Steel Kraken. DM:Who's a good little squiddy? My little warforged squiddy! Now go eat those mean little adventurers up and bring me back all those magical goodies they have. Yes, such a sweet little squiddy!
Ravenstein 08-10-07, 10:57 AM	Yes, it is. Warforged Squid is just the pet nam for Steel Kraken. DM:Who's a good little squiddy? My little warforged squiddy! Now go eat those mean little adventurers up and bring me back all those magical goodies they have. Yes, such a sweet little squiddy! That was brilliantly disturbing...totally using that.
CalebCC 08-10-07, 12:11 PM	Anytime. :) :D :)
CalebCC 08-10-07, 04:09 PM	Okay, how about we make some stuff? I really don't have any eberron books other than the campaign books, so..... What I was thinking was to make some new monsters and races, with some ideas listed below. --a charismatic and smart, yet physically weak, weak warforged that excels at sellcasting. uuuhhhhh, all I can think up know. brain strain, ya know.
Werebat 08-10-07, 08:35 PM	Has anyone done aything with the living construct subtype since warforged? The only Eberron book I have is the campaign book, so I'm kinda in the dark here. Also, what all have you all done with the subtype? It seems to me a hard subtype to create stuff with. kthanks. I use it to represent cyborgs in my post-apocalyptic campaign. I even made up an Unliving Construct template for when my PCs fought the Iron Lich, who was himself an undead cyborg. - Ron ^*^
dfarnsworth 08-11-07, 12:51 PM	There was a template that gave the subtype. I think it was called Duststuffed or something and had to do with the Lords of Dust. Explorer's Handbook I think.
CalebCC 08-11-07, 05:38 PM	Do you still have that unlving template lying around? That sounds right up my ally. Warforged vampires, I feel so warm inside!
Werebat 08-12-07, 03:00 PM	Do you still have that unlving template lying around? That sounds right up my ally. Warforged vampires, I feel so warm inside! Eesh, it was a long time ago... And it was a little complicated as I had enhanced the Effigy template to make Sheens in the same campaign, and this was more the basis for the real changes that made a difference. IIRC I basically stuck Living Construct abilities onto the Undead type (there is a lot of overlap so not much problem there), added the Effigy template, and enhanced the lot by adding +2 Deflection bonus to AC (light force field), +1d6 electical damage to all natural attacks, and raised Int to 1 if it had previously been less than 1. Oh, I believe I made them harder to turn as well (Turning Resistance?) In the case of the Iron Lich the bonuses were not extreme, although he had a better AC that he otherwise would have had. In the case of his zombie minions, though... - Ron ^*^
CalebCC 08-13-07, 03:27 PM	ooohhh....