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Kelios_Lyonsmane 05-30-07, 05:04 PM	I will be playing a Mystic Thurge in a upcomming Eberon game and i was wondering how to do it . I read the Archivist and the fact that he can learn "any" divine spell and that he uses INT for casting and spell DC's ( WIS for Bonus spells only ) make it very attractive for a Wizard / Archivist / Mystic Thurge , but i still wonder if its worth loosing spontaneous healing and domains , 3 in my case since i would take the Cloistered Cleric option from Unearthed Arcana ( 2 + Knowlage domain , more skills /skill points , to hit of the mage , light armor and d6 instead of d8 for hit points ) Also is there any feat or domain that gives Gather info as a Classe/character skill ? The domains i was thinking of taking are : Celerity : For the + 10 to speed. Community : For the G. Status spell ( From Eberon ). Dream : For the imunity to fear ( not sure if SH has it though ). Family : For the +4 to ac ( The Paladin in the Party is my character's brother ). Fate : For the uncany dodge. Magic : For the 1/2 lvls of Clerics as wizards for items ( not sure if its really usefull since i will be both and planing on Practice spellcaster anyway ). Moon : For the Moon Blade spell. Portal : For the Sence Portal ability ( I just think its cool but i dont know if it is usefull at all in Eberon ). Pride : For the ability to reroll all 1'S on first save roll. Renewal : For the Instant CLW when i hit 0 to -9 once a day We have in the Party : Me :mage: A Human Druid :raincloud An Elf Rogue :angelhide An Assimar Paladin :angel: TY in advance for your input
TheAnthroDM 05-30-07, 05:22 PM	Archivist is always the best choice mechanically. You can't beat the Double Int crunch.
dunkeykong 05-31-07, 09:15 PM	Archivist is always the best choice mechanically. You can't beat the Double Int crunch. huh, maybe ill take another look at the archivist.
Gwythion 06-01-07, 02:50 AM	Archivist is great, but the one thing that makes cleric maybe more preferable is Divine Metamagic. (In which case, you want Knowledge/Planning/Undead Domains.) It's also worth mentioning that after level 16, MT is screwed, unless you're evil, and gonna be a Dread Necro. Nothing else gives you both spell progressions, including epic MT. Oh, and one more thing: Dwarf Cleric/Wizard will enable you to take Runesmith (RoS), which lets you cast Wizard spells in your armor. Just a one-level dip, if you do it right it won't even delay your MT. If you do it this way, don't take Cloistered Cleric. (CC isn't really worth it anyway, you're only going to take 3 cleric levels, so you're giving up armor for a not-that-great domain.)
bbthereaper 06-01-07, 03:08 PM	To the question of the Gather Inform skill, there is a feat that gets you it (and Know: Local): Ecclesiarch. It's in the ECS, and is made specifically for priestly people. As to your main question, I too would advocate the archivist; he can learn all those domain specific spells and prepare them more than once a day (if he can find them), and it gets you more mileage out of those Knowledge skills, in addition to the obvious benefits of the double Int-dependency.
Cifer 06-02-07, 07:06 AM	he can learn all those domain specific spells and prepare them more than once a day (if he can find them), And here we've got the real benefit of the sovereign host: Nine gods/churches, all of them with their own domains and all of them most probably perfectly willing to let you scribe their spells.
JulesCARV 06-03-07, 06:38 PM	If you're an archivist and the Sovereign Host accepts you as one of their own loyal holy types, it could be great, since the Sovereign Host offers tons of domains (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060911a&page=2), and it probably wouldn't be too hard to persuade clerics with different domains to share their special spells with a fellow SHer (at least, compared to an archivist who was from some other faith). At very high levels (if you get to them), you'll leave the rest of the clergy in the dust, so just because Balinor has the animal and celerity domains doesn't mean you'll get Shapechange or Time Stop, because there may not be any level 17 clerics with those domains around, but getting nifty low-level spells from all sorts of domains, like Enlarge Person from strength, Gaseous Form from air, etc, should be manageable. Don't forget that adepts have a rather surprisingly cool spell list, and are far more common and often higher level than clerics in Eberron (if you use accepted demographics). Cleric is good if you want to be a dweomerkeeper in addition to a mystic theurge. Of course, since the dweomerkeeper is hideously broken, that might not be such a good idea.
TheAnthroDM 06-05-07, 04:34 PM	Archivist is great, but the one thing that makes cleric maybe more preferable is Divine Metamagic. (In which case, you want Knowledge/Planning/Undead Domains.) It's also worth mentioning that after level 16, MT is screwed, unless you're evil, and gonna be a True Necromancer. Nothing else gives you both spell progressions, including epic MT. Oh, and one more thing: Dwarf Cleric/Wizard will enable you to take Runesmith (RoS), which lets you cast Wizard spells in your armor. Just a one-level dip, if you do it right it won't even delay your MT. If you do it this way, don't take Cloistered Cleric. (CC isn't really worth it anyway, you're only going to take 3 cleric levels, so you're giving up armor for a not-that-great domain.) Fixed.
Kelios_Lyonsmane 06-06-07, 12:18 PM	TY for the feedback guys it's really apreciated Fixed. Fixed how ?
ratarang 06-16-07, 08:36 PM	all of them most probably perfectly willing to let you scribe their spells. Why? Also, Eberron is lacking in high level divine casters(as in everything) so finding non-core rare high level spells might be difficult. (EDIT: as was mentioned by JulesCARV)
graymocker 06-17-07, 04:16 AM	What with the industrial magic and all, there are a lot of NPCs with the NPC adept class in Eberron. There's an archivist in my campaign, and I decided that: 1. Adept divine scrolls of levels 1-2 can be found it just about any urban center and readily available for purchase. Adept divine scrolls of higher level become progressively harder to find, but are still easier to find than domain scrolls, as adepts are more likely to have a 9-5 industrial "job" relating to magic and as opposed to using their abilities for more private ends. 2. Esoteric cleric domain scrolls are very difficult to find. Clerics are a PC class and thus uncommon to begin with, and to get a cleric domain scroll, you need to find a NPC that meets three conditions, all of them uncommon: (1) Is a cleric of sufficient level (2) Has the specific domain you are looking for, (3) Has taken the Scribe Scroll feat. Practically speaking I decided that level 1 domain spells can be purchased if the Archivist has connections to the specific church that grants access to that domain. Mid-level domain spell scrolls require specific effort by the PC to seek out. High-level domain scrolls are not known to exist, though they could turn up as high-level treasure. Aside from being coherent fluff-wise it also works out reasonably well mechanically. The Archivist character has enough access to "exotic" divine spells to balance out its weaknesses compared to the standard cleric, but it's not so much to be overpowering.
gelalshawr 06-17-07, 02:27 PM	Magic : For the 1/2 lvls of Clerics as wizards for items ( not sure if its really usefull since i will be both and planing on Practice spellcaster anyway ). Just making sure, but you do know you need to take Practiced Spellcaster twice, once for your arcane, and once for your divine?