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FOXDIE
10-03-07, 06:25 PM so, what you take on a paladin of the keeper be?

im looking some thing cool with lots of "fluff", something like the grim-reaper

thanks
Alex_
10-03-07, 08:17 PM I'd have hold a double standard.

The character would understand that the Dark Six are of Evil alignment in general. They can be vengeful, violent, and merciless beings. However, they're also deities, which means that everything they do is for a higher purpose and makes sense in ways no mortal can understand. Perhaps mortals are so unworthy of compassion, that the simple fact that the Six don't obliterate us is a blessing in and of itself.

Either way, "mortal" Evil, however is the bad kind, since in this case, people are vengeful, violent, and merciless, but lack the greater goal and wisdom of the Gods. In their hands, death and destruction serve no greater purpose. A God can take your food. They're the one who gave it to you, and know what you need and don't. They can kill you. They're the one who gave you life, and know when you should go better than you do. However, a person who takes your food is just a thief, and one who kills is simply a murderer.

In regards to the Keeper specifically, the actual profession of the Paladin would be an Undead slayer. Devoted followers of the Six believe that after death, they'll be rescued from Dolurrh by deities. However, my character would believe that becoming an Undead traps the soul of the person, keeping them from being with the Gods, or in the case of enemies, from their proper punishment in Dolurrh. Again, it's mortals treading on ground only Gods have the knowledge and authority to tread.
Captain_Kobold
10-05-07, 09:45 AM You could also use one of the more interesting concepts for a Keeper worshipper that someone else came up with in this forum somewhere.

Its basic idea is that in Dolurrh, you lose your identity, skills and personality. The Keeper, in addition to his duties over death, is also the Guardian of Great Souls, preserving those worthy enough so that they shall never fade away. The purpose in this might be simply to preserve them, for all time, or so that they can be released at a time of great need to fulfil their destiny, either singly, or in some apocalyptic final battle.

The Paladin of this aspect would seek to inspire others to fulfill their potential to the maximum, to become great, in order to swell the ranks of the Great Souls. Once he has been recognised by his order as truly worthy, he might be gifted with a Keeper's Fang and journey to places where dying heroes might be found, to offer them an alternative to the dissolution of Dolurrh.

In terms of attitude, the Paladin must of course remain Lawful Good and abide by the Code. He could justify this by recognising that the works of evil cut short or restrict too many lives, which might have had potential had they been allowed to live and flourish.
He might have an almost 'sporting' attitude to his quest to oppose evil.
"I will fight to prevent this, and you will fight to kill me. If you are beyond redemption, then one of us will die. Either way, one soul will take a step further towards its true potential."
naturax
10-05-07, 10:27 AM You could also use one of the more interesting concepts for a Keeper worshipper that someone else came up with in this forum somewhere.

Its basic idea is that in Dolurrh, you lose your identity, skills and personality. The Keeper, in addition to his duties over death, is also the Guardian of Great Souls, preserving those worthy enough so that they shall never fade away. The purpose in this might be simply to preserve them, for all time, or so that they can be released at a time of great need to fulfil their destiny, either singly, or in some apocalyptic final battle.

The Paladin of this aspect would seek to inspire others to fulfill their potential to the maximum, to become great, in order to swell the ranks of the Great Souls. Once he has been recognised by his order as truly worthy, he might be gifted with a Keeper's Fang and journey to places where dying heroes might be found, to offer them an alternative to the dissolution of Dolurrh.

In terms of attitude, the Paladin must of course remain Lawful Good and abide by the Code. He could justify this by recognising that the works of evil cut short or restrict too many lives, which might have had potential had they been allowed to live and flourish.
He might have an almost 'sporting' attitude to his quest to oppose evil.
"I will fight to prevent this, and you will fight to kill me. If you are beyond redemption, then one of us will die. Either way, one soul will take a step further towards its true potential."

That's a pretty cool character concept, if I do say so.
Edymnion
10-06-07, 04:53 PM You could also use one of the more interesting concepts for a Keeper worshipper that someone else came up with in this forum somewhere.I think I might be the one you're thinking of there.

I think it was Secrets of Xen'Drik that mentioned the Giants worshipped the Keeper as the guardian of souls, and looked at the Khovarian version of him as being a corrupted view (as in, twisted over time by fear of death). The giants believe that there is a great battle coming at the end of time, and that the Keeper's job is the pick the greatest and the most powerful of individuals to fight in that battle.

So, if you're good enough, you'll be spared oblivion and get the chance to fight for good vs. evil at the end of time to see which is truely the strongest.
JulesCARV
10-07-07, 12:51 PM I know that this is a rather boring idea, but I think that it's possible that a paladin who worships the Keeper just worships him vestigially and ritualistically.

She was raised by parents who were disciples of the Keeper. She's somewhat religious, but she doesn't really think about theology much, and isn't really passionate about religion as most paladins are. She'll observe the unholy days (so long as they don't require evil sacrifices or anything), offer a few prayers to the Keeper at morning and before sleeping, but it's not a big part of her life. Also, she's not very smart (as paladins often aren't).

When she was "called" as a paladin, she felt some overwhelming sense of all of the injustice and suffering in the world, and how she had to do her best to make things better where she could. She never really made a connection between the Keeper and her mission as paladin -- either in regarding the Keeper as a force of evil who had to be renounced, or in coming up with some theological rationale for the Keeper being her patron in her struggle.

She'd be kinda like someone who identifies as Jewish and observes Passover Seders, but doesn't care about stuff like keeping Kosher or following other Jewish laws, doesn't think about G-d much, and generally doesn't make religion a big part of her life. (Not, of course, that I'm claiming Jews are like Keeper-worshippers.)

Well, I think that must be just about the most boring reconciliation between being a paladin and a disciple of the Keeper that's ever been written.
Alex_
10-07-07, 01:25 PM I know that this is a rather boring idea, but I think that it's possible that a paladin who worships the Keeper just worships him vestigially and ritualistically.

She was raised by parents who were disciples of the Keeper. She's somewhat religious, but she doesn't really think about theology much, and isn't really passionate about religion as most paladins are. She'll observe the unholy days (so long as they don't require evil sacrifices or anything), offer a few prayers to the Keeper at morning and before sleeping, but it's not a big part of her life. Also, she's not very smart (as paladins often aren't).

When she was "called" as a paladin, she felt some overwhelming sense of all of the injustice and suffering in the world, and how she had to do her best to make things better where she could. She never really made a connection between the Keeper and her mission as paladin -- either in regarding the Keeper as a force of evil who had to be renounced, or in coming up with some theological rationale for the Keeper being her patron in her struggle.

She'd be kinda like someone who identifies as Jewish and observes Passover Seders, but doesn't care about stuff like keeping Kosher or following other Jewish laws, doesn't think about G-d much, and generally doesn't make religion a big part of her life. (Not, of course, that I'm claiming Jews are like Keeper-worshippers.)

Well, I think that must be just about the most boring reconciliation between being a paladin and a disciple of the Keeper that's ever been written.

I like it. It's not common that you see Paladin PCs that aren't militant mouthpieces of a particular church/deity, but making them non-religious is just an opposite stereotype. I like where you're going with this idea of a lax-worshiper, whose faith (or lack of it) isn't the driving force behind their Paladin "career".

I think I'll be stealing this for next time I play a Paladin.

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FOXDIE 10-03-07, 06:25 PM	so, what you take on a paladin of the keeper be? im looking some thing cool with lots of "fluff", something like the grim-reaper thanks
Alex_ 10-03-07, 08:17 PM	I'd have hold a double standard. The character would understand that the Dark Six are of Evil alignment in general. They can be vengeful, violent, and merciless beings. However, they're also deities, which means that everything they do is for a higher purpose and makes sense in ways no mortal can understand. Perhaps mortals are so unworthy of compassion, that the simple fact that the Six don't obliterate us is a blessing in and of itself. Either way, "mortal" Evil, however is the bad kind, since in this case, people are vengeful, violent, and merciless, but lack the greater goal and wisdom of the Gods. In their hands, death and destruction serve no greater purpose. A God can take your food. They're the one who gave it to you, and know what you need and don't. They can kill you. They're the one who gave you life, and know when you should go better than you do. However, a person who takes your food is just a thief, and one who kills is simply a murderer. In regards to the Keeper specifically, the actual profession of the Paladin would be an Undead slayer. Devoted followers of the Six believe that after death, they'll be rescued from Dolurrh by deities. However, my character would believe that becoming an Undead traps the soul of the person, keeping them from being with the Gods, or in the case of enemies, from their proper punishment in Dolurrh. Again, it's mortals treading on ground only Gods have the knowledge and authority to tread.
Captain_Kobold 10-05-07, 09:45 AM	You could also use one of the more interesting concepts for a Keeper worshipper that someone else came up with in this forum somewhere. Its basic idea is that in Dolurrh, you lose your identity, skills and personality. The Keeper, in addition to his duties over death, is also the Guardian of Great Souls, preserving those worthy enough so that they shall never fade away. The purpose in this might be simply to preserve them, for all time, or so that they can be released at a time of great need to fulfil their destiny, either singly, or in some apocalyptic final battle. The Paladin of this aspect would seek to inspire others to fulfill their potential to the maximum, to become great, in order to swell the ranks of the Great Souls. Once he has been recognised by his order as truly worthy, he might be gifted with a Keeper's Fang and journey to places where dying heroes might be found, to offer them an alternative to the dissolution of Dolurrh. In terms of attitude, the Paladin must of course remain Lawful Good and abide by the Code. He could justify this by recognising that the works of evil cut short or restrict too many lives, which might have had potential had they been allowed to live and flourish. He might have an almost 'sporting' attitude to his quest to oppose evil. "I will fight to prevent this, and you will fight to kill me. If you are beyond redemption, then one of us will die. Either way, one soul will take a step further towards its true potential."
naturax 10-05-07, 10:27 AM	You could also use one of the more interesting concepts for a Keeper worshipper that someone else came up with in this forum somewhere. Its basic idea is that in Dolurrh, you lose your identity, skills and personality. The Keeper, in addition to his duties over death, is also the Guardian of Great Souls, preserving those worthy enough so that they shall never fade away. The purpose in this might be simply to preserve them, for all time, or so that they can be released at a time of great need to fulfil their destiny, either singly, or in some apocalyptic final battle. The Paladin of this aspect would seek to inspire others to fulfill their potential to the maximum, to become great, in order to swell the ranks of the Great Souls. Once he has been recognised by his order as truly worthy, he might be gifted with a Keeper's Fang and journey to places where dying heroes might be found, to offer them an alternative to the dissolution of Dolurrh. In terms of attitude, the Paladin must of course remain Lawful Good and abide by the Code. He could justify this by recognising that the works of evil cut short or restrict too many lives, which might have had potential had they been allowed to live and flourish. He might have an almost 'sporting' attitude to his quest to oppose evil. "I will fight to prevent this, and you will fight to kill me. If you are beyond redemption, then one of us will die. Either way, one soul will take a step further towards its true potential." That's a pretty cool character concept, if I do say so.
Edymnion 10-06-07, 04:53 PM	You could also use one of the more interesting concepts for a Keeper worshipper that someone else came up with in this forum somewhere.I think I might be the one you're thinking of there. I think it was Secrets of Xen'Drik that mentioned the Giants worshipped the Keeper as the guardian of souls, and looked at the Khovarian version of him as being a corrupted view (as in, twisted over time by fear of death). The giants believe that there is a great battle coming at the end of time, and that the Keeper's job is the pick the greatest and the most powerful of individuals to fight in that battle. So, if you're good enough, you'll be spared oblivion and get the chance to fight for good vs. evil at the end of time to see which is truely the strongest.
JulesCARV 10-07-07, 12:51 PM	I know that this is a rather boring idea, but I think that it's possible that a paladin who worships the Keeper just worships him vestigially and ritualistically. She was raised by parents who were disciples of the Keeper. She's somewhat religious, but she doesn't really think about theology much, and isn't really passionate about religion as most paladins are. She'll observe the unholy days (so long as they don't require evil sacrifices or anything), offer a few prayers to the Keeper at morning and before sleeping, but it's not a big part of her life. Also, she's not very smart (as paladins often aren't). When she was "called" as a paladin, she felt some overwhelming sense of all of the injustice and suffering in the world, and how she had to do her best to make things better where she could. She never really made a connection between the Keeper and her mission as paladin -- either in regarding the Keeper as a force of evil who had to be renounced, or in coming up with some theological rationale for the Keeper being her patron in her struggle. She'd be kinda like someone who identifies as Jewish and observes Passover Seders, but doesn't care about stuff like keeping Kosher or following other Jewish laws, doesn't think about G-d much, and generally doesn't make religion a big part of her life. (Not, of course, that I'm claiming Jews are like Keeper-worshippers.) Well, I think that must be just about the most boring reconciliation between being a paladin and a disciple of the Keeper that's ever been written.
Alex_ 10-07-07, 01:25 PM	I know that this is a rather boring idea, but I think that it's possible that a paladin who worships the Keeper just worships him vestigially and ritualistically. She was raised by parents who were disciples of the Keeper. She's somewhat religious, but she doesn't really think about theology much, and isn't really passionate about religion as most paladins are. She'll observe the unholy days (so long as they don't require evil sacrifices or anything), offer a few prayers to the Keeper at morning and before sleeping, but it's not a big part of her life. Also, she's not very smart (as paladins often aren't). When she was "called" as a paladin, she felt some overwhelming sense of all of the injustice and suffering in the world, and how she had to do her best to make things better where she could. She never really made a connection between the Keeper and her mission as paladin -- either in regarding the Keeper as a force of evil who had to be renounced, or in coming up with some theological rationale for the Keeper being her patron in her struggle. She'd be kinda like someone who identifies as Jewish and observes Passover Seders, but doesn't care about stuff like keeping Kosher or following other Jewish laws, doesn't think about G-d much, and generally doesn't make religion a big part of her life. (Not, of course, that I'm claiming Jews are like Keeper-worshippers.) Well, I think that must be just about the most boring reconciliation between being a paladin and a disciple of the Keeper that's ever been written. I like it. It's not common that you see Paladin PCs that aren't militant mouthpieces of a particular church/deity, but making them non-religious is just an opposite stereotype. I like where you're going with this idea of a lax-worshiper, whose faith (or lack of it) isn't the driving force behind their Paladin "career". I think I'll be stealing this for next time I play a Paladin.