Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Forged_For_Hire 05-06-07, 08:51 AM	In our group's latest campaign, my previous character was a warforged artificer, who was built in order to protect one of House Cannith's own sons. We had gone through most of the published material just to have House Cannith South dispersed (made to live the lives of outlaws), the city of Sharn upset (because they lost Cannith South) and angered a good number of other people. My character though was chosen by Merrix d'Cannith to join him and learn more. Great...so now, I've built a new character from an idea I got from some of our throng. A Reforged Warforged Artificer. I'm a fan of the WF artificer because of its use of itself. I just want to hear other people's thoughts on this. Not on the character idea, but on the PrC of Reforged. It is hard to see what other people's thoughts on this because I have looked for a while. I will be pleased to see what people will run with.
Hideous Phidias 05-07-07, 10:23 PM	I have looked at the class but did not like it. It seems only good for roleplay. It turns a good warforged character into a sorta human. Why what is the real point? Like I said I see the roleplaying value but other then that I see it only as a waste of a character. You trade every advantage of being a living construct for what a few skill points and the chance to change any warforged feats you many have taken. As I see it as soon as you have contact with house Cannith once you have enter the prestige class you run the risk of becoming a lab sample. Rememder Merrix is is looking for reforged for study. Many make a intresting NPC for story line but other then that just another prestige class that sounds intresting but has little real value.
Forged_For_Hire 05-07-07, 11:37 PM	As a part of this prestige class, you also need to add an addendum. It is a philosophy. Can you really say, "Hey, look at me. I'm a real boy." with your character and all of a sudden, after some battles, decide to get rid of the one thing that formed your way of life? You are right. It is a very heavy roleplaying prestige class. The character will grow into the philosophy, taking a year or so before even going into the second level. There are the penalities associated with taking more levels in a multi-class situation, but it adds to the storylines.
Edymnion 05-08-07, 12:11 PM	I just houserule that if you start the ReForged PrC, then you have to finish it. Cuts out the Juggernaught/ReForged cheese.
Arcane Guyver 05-08-07, 12:39 PM	Upon looking at the class now, Reforged doesn't seem too bad. At 1st level you can naturally heal like a normal character...but that doesn't mean you can't also use Craft checks to regain hit points as well. At 2nd level the party cleric is suddenly a much better buddy to hang around; you don't need to hang out with an artificer or a wizard carrying a ton of 'repair' scrolls for special healing. And finally, at 3rd level, you gain Unarmored Body as a bonus feat and get to trade in all your other WF feats for non-WF feats. Oh yeah, if your party has a bard, you will LOVE HIM. In fact, I could totally see myself playing a reforged bard in the future...
Forged_For_Hire 05-08-07, 08:50 PM	In response to your post Edy, I think that the WF Reforged Juggernaut is a very overpowered way to go. Then again, you shouldn't do it from a roleplaying POV. Playing it that way is a power gamer method and should be thoroughly up to the DM. If any character were to do that with me, dead as a doornail or made into one because that is what composite plating is for. Arcane Guyver, that was the exact thoughts of a friend of mine. He had rolled up some pretty ****** stats and decided to make a really weak WF bard. The story went something like a gnomish artificer saw this character's body parts strewn about and decided to rebuild him as a sort of science fair project. The artificer was still relatively fresh.
Edymnion 05-08-07, 09:19 PM	In response to your post Edy, I think that the WF Reforged Juggernaut is a very overpowered way to go. Then again, you shouldn't do it from a roleplaying POV. Playing it that way is a power gamer method and should be thoroughly up to the DM. If any character were to do that with me, dead as a doornail or made into one because that is what composite plating is for. Not really, there's plenty of oppertunity for roleplaying the combination. In fact, its just about the only way to do the Warforged Data ripoff. Focuses on being more and more machine until he realizes what he's truely lost, and tries to recapture the humanity he's callously thrown away. I just houserule that you have to go all the way and lose your composite plating, which essentially makes your Juggernaught wasted levels. But then, you weren't trying to take Juggernaught and ReForged for pure munchkin powergaming, were you? Nah, of course not...
ChristopherGroves 05-08-07, 11:34 PM	I just houserule that if you start the ReForged PrC, then you have to finish it. Cuts out the Juggernaught/ReForged cheese. There's enough Reforged cheese possible as it is. (what we're talking about is taking Reforged as a way to use feats later ... you load up on Warforged feats, then take Reforged and then swap all those feats in for ones you qualify for NOW)
Forged_For_Hire 05-08-07, 11:37 PM	NO! I don't think in terms of power. I play for a challenge.
Millenia 05-09-07, 01:01 AM	Not really, there's plenty of oppertunity for roleplaying the combination. In fact, its just about the only way to do the Warforged Data ripoff. Focuses on being more and more machine until he realizes what he's truely lost, and tries to recapture the humanity he's callously thrown away. I just houserule that you have to go all the way and lose your composite plating, which essentially makes your Juggernaught wasted levels. But then, you weren't trying to take Juggernaught and ReForged for pure munchkin powergaming, were you? Nah, of course not... You probably could have the character slowly retrain their Juggernaught levels away for ReForged... :o
Arcane Guyver 05-09-07, 01:12 AM	You probably could have the character slowly retrain their Juggernaught levels away for ReForged... :o That's brilliant. I wasn't a real big fan of the character class rebuilding rules, but going from Juggernaut -> Reforged sounds like good story potential.
LoneStranger 05-12-07, 04:12 AM	I do agree that the Reforged and Juggernaut prestige classes are there to help with the roleplaying aspects in addition to providing a notable way to stand out from the manufactured crowd. In the Eberron campaign I'm in the GM is ruling that the warforged in the group (me and another guy) can qualify for Warforged PrCs based on how we act. The other Warforged in the party is kinda close to going through the Reforged class while my Warforged is kinda close to Juggernaut (not that close relax). I'll also agree that anyone that tries to take both reforged and juggernaut PrCs at the same time is pure cheese. Although a good GM would realize that the two classes pretty much cancel each other out and the guy stays a warforged.