Swiftwing Shifter Trait and WTM [Archive] - Wizards Community

Swiftwing Shifter Trait and WTM [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Werebat
03-18-07, 12:57 PM "Bat" isn't an official option for WTM, although "Rat" works pretty well as a substitute. Still, it isn't perfect and doesn't quite do the job for me. I'd propose the following abilties for a "Bat" based WTM:

1. Weretouched I: Gain +2 Dex and a flight speed of 20 (Average) while shifting; if the shifter already has a flight speed while shifting then add 10 feet to it (this enables Swiftwing Elite to bring flight to 40' (Good), equal to a Dire Bat).

2. Weretouched II: Gain Blindsense 40' (Always useful, and an ability held by Dire Bats of course)

3. Alternate Form stat mods (as per the WTM errata) +2 Dex +2 Str +2 Con (My rationale for not going with a straight +6 Dex here is that Dire Bat lycanthropes grant +6 Str, +12 Dex, and +6 Con, and this keeps the ratios the same when all 5 levels of WTM are factored in (+2 Str, +4 Dex, +2 Con).

I looked again at my build for a Ranger/WildernessRogue/WTM, and this setup enables me to build a character that I would label "playable".

What do you think?

- Ron ^*^
Belabras
03-18-07, 02:18 PM I'd limit the Blindsense to 'while shifting'. Otherwise, looks good to me.
Werebat
03-18-07, 02:28 PM I'd limit the Blindsense to 'while shifting'. Otherwise, looks good to me.

Oh, yeah, that was the intent... Sorry if it looked otherwise. Tough to tell sometimes with shifters and their feats/abilities.

The only trouble with this setup is the number of times throughout the campaign you'll be hitting yourself in the head and thinking, "I coulda gone with TIGER!" But I think that's the case for pretty much any other type of WTM as well... :rolleyes:

- Ron ^*^
Belabras
03-18-07, 03:26 PM Nah, Flight and the ability to do fly-by attacks more than makes up for the Tiger's big stat bonuses.

Now if you'd gone with Rat, I could understand ;)
Werebat
03-18-07, 05:01 PM Nah, Flight and the ability to do fly-by attacks more than makes up for the Tiger's big stat bonuses.

Now if you'd gone with Rat, I could understand ;)

You can only do fly-by attacks if you budget for the feat, and that ain't easy considering you're going to want a bite attack to make the fly-by possible in the first place (and longtooth elite to make it EFFECTIVE).

There's just so much jaw-dropping nastiness you can to with the tiger build, pouncing with Shifter Savagery, Leap Attack, in rhino hide armor, with longtooth elite and great bite... Ouch.

- Ron ^*^

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Werebat 03-18-07, 12:57 PM	"Bat" isn't an official option for WTM, although "Rat" works pretty well as a substitute. Still, it isn't perfect and doesn't quite do the job for me. I'd propose the following abilties for a "Bat" based WTM: 1. Weretouched I: Gain +2 Dex and a flight speed of 20 (Average) while shifting; if the shifter already has a flight speed while shifting then add 10 feet to it (this enables Swiftwing Elite to bring flight to 40' (Good), equal to a Dire Bat). 2. Weretouched II: Gain Blindsense 40' (Always useful, and an ability held by Dire Bats of course) 3. Alternate Form stat mods (as per the WTM errata) +2 Dex +2 Str +2 Con (My rationale for not going with a straight +6 Dex here is that Dire Bat lycanthropes grant +6 Str, +12 Dex, and +6 Con, and this keeps the ratios the same when all 5 levels of WTM are factored in (+2 Str, +4 Dex, +2 Con). I looked again at my build for a Ranger/WildernessRogue/WTM, and this setup enables me to build a character that I would label "playable". What do you think? - Ron ^*^
Belabras 03-18-07, 02:18 PM	I'd limit the Blindsense to 'while shifting'. Otherwise, looks good to me.
Werebat 03-18-07, 02:28 PM	I'd limit the Blindsense to 'while shifting'. Otherwise, looks good to me. Oh, yeah, that was the intent... Sorry if it looked otherwise. Tough to tell sometimes with shifters and their feats/abilities. The only trouble with this setup is the number of times throughout the campaign you'll be hitting yourself in the head and thinking, "I coulda gone with TIGER!" But I think that's the case for pretty much any other type of WTM as well... :rolleyes: - Ron ^*^
Belabras 03-18-07, 03:26 PM	Nah, Flight and the ability to do fly-by attacks more than makes up for the Tiger's big stat bonuses. Now if you'd gone with Rat, I could understand ;)
Werebat 03-18-07, 05:01 PM	Nah, Flight and the ability to do fly-by attacks more than makes up for the Tiger's big stat bonuses. Now if you'd gone with Rat, I could understand ;) You can only do fly-by attacks if you budget for the feat, and that ain't easy considering you're going to want a bite attack to make the fly-by possible in the first place (and longtooth elite to make it EFFECTIVE). There's just so much jaw-dropping nastiness you can to with the tiger build, pouncing with Shifter Savagery, Leap Attack, in rhino hide armor, with longtooth elite and great bite... Ouch. - Ron ^*^