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Munz

05-18-07, 08:16 AM
Quick question; what is the symbol called on the warforged brow? And if anyone knows, can you tell me the book that lists what it is called? I'm sure I have it, but I can't find it anywhere.
Edymnion

05-18-07, 08:25 AM
If memory serves, its a Ghulra.
Anywho, its covered in the Warforged Dragonshard, I think its in Races of Eberron, and I believe its in the Warforged chapter of the Players Guide to Eberron as well.

Here's a link to the first WF dragonshard, just do a search for Ghulra and you'll find it:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ebds/20050627a
Moosh Nailo

05-18-07, 06:37 PM
Ghulra is correct.
rabidclipper

05-18-07, 07:09 PM
Ghulra is dwarven for "truth" if I remember correctly... apparently one of the magewrights in the lab where the first warforged emerged gave the name... that is probably in the dragonshard as well....
Cifer

05-19-07, 12:40 PM
If memory serves, its a Ghulra.
It appears that memory does serve.

Does it really stand for "truth"? That would be a pretty direct jab at the shem of jiddish golems which had precisely that word written on a scroll inside them. Oh, well, I stopped wondering since I read of the Silver Flame's Baker's Night holiday...
Munz

05-22-07, 12:35 PM
Thanks guys!
Edymnion

05-22-07, 12:55 PM
I dunno, but there is more to them than meets the eye.
I remember Keith being cryptic about the ghulras before whatever book detailed them came out, and I think he mentioned the illustration of Rune in the ECS as having a clue in it about the ghulras, that there was something mystical to them. That picture (away from my books, so I don't have the page, but its the one with the WF attacking the human for making a racial joke about WF) has the WF's ghulra emitting some kind of glowing mystical energy, but we never got anything more on it.

Makes me want to do a WF PrC that grants various powers based around the ghulra.
Salathiel

05-22-07, 04:21 PM
away from my books, so I don't have the page, but its the one with the WF attacking the human for making a racial joke about WF

The pic you're talking about is on page 9, accross from the first page of chapter 1.

By the way, I can't find any mention of the Ghulras in RoE. I wouldn't dream of asking you to look through that book to find a reference, Edy, but are they mentioned in some other book? The only time I've seen them mentioned or even acknowledged canonically is in that Dragonshard you linked to.

-Sal.
Munz

05-22-07, 05:15 PM
Yeah, I too would like to know what book it is in. I currently have all the Eberron supplemental and source books, even a couple of the series of novels that were put out. But I would like to be able to show my players (I run an Eberron game) the page... just in case any of you might know this.
Edymnion

05-22-07, 09:53 PM
By the way, I can't find any mention of the Ghulras in RoE. I wouldn't dream of asking you to look through that book to find a reference, Edy, but are they mentioned in some other book? The only time I've seen them mentioned or even acknowledged canonically is in that Dragonshard you linked to.I just skimmed RoE, and didn't find it either. I guess the dragonshard was the first time they got officially addressed.

Just checked PGtE, and it turns out that the WF got a whopping 2 pages there. Guess I was wrong, the dragonshard seems to be the *ONLY* place the ghulras were addressed, beyond what Keith has said here on the boards that is.
Teron Gorefiend

05-22-07, 10:42 PM
It appears that memory does serve.

Does it really stand for "truth"? That would be a pretty direct jab at the shem of jiddish golems which had precisely that word written on a scroll inside them. Oh, well, I stopped wondering since I read of the Silver Flame's Baker's Night holiday...
The symbols themselves don't stand for "truth", though. In fact, no one knows what they mean. They're simply called ghulras, under the assumption that each warforged's unique sigil would reveal something significant about its bearer if it could be deciphered.

By the way, isn't there at least one story about a golem with the word written on its forehead? As I recall, it was partially erased to spell "death" in Hebrew and destroy the golem when it got out of hand.
ArcTan

05-22-07, 11:53 PM
Makes me want to do a WF PrC that grants various powers based around the ghulra.

Save-vs-DM already did one:

http://boards1.wizards.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-704547.html
Runepriest

05-26-07, 11:55 AM
The pic you're talking about is on page 9, accross from the first page of chapter 1.
-Sal.

Wrong, its on pg. 10. you were close enough.
Bluebrush

05-26-07, 01:25 PM
By the way, isn't there at least one story about a golem with the word written on its forehead? As I recall, it was partially erased to spell "death" in Hebrew and destroy the golem when it got out of hand.Yep. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem)In many tales the Golem is inscribed with magic or religious words that keep it animated. Writing one of the names of God on its forehead, a slip of paper attached to its forehead, or on a clay tablet under its tongue, or writing the word Emet (אמת, 'truth' in the Hebrew language) on its forehead are examples of such words. By erasing the first letter in Emet to form Met (מת, 'dead' in Hebrew) the golem could be deactivated. Another way is by writing a specific incantation in the owner's blood on calfskin parchment, and placing it in the mouth. Removing the parchment will deactivate the golem. It is likely that this is the same incantation that the Rabbi recites in the classic narrative.
gelalshawr

05-26-07, 01:31 PM
There was actually a boss fight in one of the Castlevanias (Lament of Innocence on the PS2) that was sort of that in reverse, you had to find the tablet with the letter on it to change the word from "death" to "life" or at least that's how it was written in the game
Hellcow

05-26-07, 02:31 PM
Does it really stand for "truth"?
No. As others have already pointed out, "ghulra" is the name given TO the symbol, not the meaning of the symbol itself. As each ghulra is unique, "ghulra" was used because the magewrights believed that the symbol spoke to the true nature of the spirit within.

With that said, the golem is certainly an influence. The two are not the same. Each ghulra is different and you can't erase part of a ghulra; as Edymnion has said, there's more to the ghulra that will hopefully come out some day. But sure, I make no bones about being influenced by our folklore. The Daughters of Sora Kell are inspired by the Gray Sisters, Baba Yaga, and any number of triune goddesses. There's a lot of good touchstones in our world, and while I've always tried not to DIRECTLY lift from a particular culture or myth, I've certainly used many for inspiration.

Oh, well, I stopped wondering since I read of the Silver Flame's Baker's Night holiday...
That, on the other hand, I had nothing to do with.
Edymnion

05-26-07, 08:31 PM
as Edymnion has said, there's more to the ghulra that will hopefully come out some day.Gah, see how he taunts us?
Somebody remind me to drive out to whatever state Keith lives in, take him out drinking until he's totally ripped, and start talking Eberron to him with a tape recorder in my pocket. Get him to spill some stuff like this.
DragoonDarkfire

05-26-07, 08:41 PM
Gah, see how he taunts us?
Somebody remind me to drive out to whatever state Keith lives in, take him out drinking until he's totally ripped, and start talking Eberron to him with a tape recorder in my pocket. Get him to spill some stuff like this.

Oh great way to post your plans so he can freeking SEE IT!

That's like the Dreaming Dark walking into Adar, holding up a Blueprint of their master plan to conquer Eberron and telling them all how they're gonna do it.
Edymnion

05-26-07, 08:52 PM
Oh great way to post your plans so he can freeking SEE IT!What makes you think that isn't the diversion? ;)
DragoonDarkfire

05-26-07, 09:34 PM
What makes you think that isn't the diversion? ;)

Because you just suggested it was?
Hellcow

05-26-07, 09:41 PM
Well, after some finangling, it turns out Ellen and I will be at GenCon this year, and I'm planning on having a get-together sometime for anyone who wants to talk about Eberron, novels, Gloom, or whatever.

Of course, now it sounds like I might have to hire security...
Lafarallin

05-26-07, 10:14 PM
Well, after some finangling, it turns out Ellen and I will be at GenCon this year, and I'm planning on having a get-together sometime for anyone who wants to talk about Eberron, novels, Gloom, or whatever.

Of course, now it sounds like I might have to hire security...

Well I'm a police officer and plan on showing up. Would you pay me to moonlight as private security? ;)
Edymnion

05-26-07, 11:07 PM
Well, after some finangling, it turns out Ellen and I will be at GenCon this yearSee, you need to come to Dragon*Con, since I can never get to GenCon.
Hellcow

05-26-07, 11:34 PM
See, you need to come to Dragon*Con, since I can never get to GenCon.
I've still never been to Dragon*Con. One of these days...

Well I'm a police officer and plan on showing up. Would you pay me to moonlight as private security?
Since Edymnion isn't going to be there, it sounds like I'm safe. Of course, this could be his nefarious plan to make me drop my guard!
DragoonDarkfire

05-26-07, 11:56 PM
Or possibly my own, possibly I AM Edyminion logged on with a different account and am simply lulling you into a false sense of security so that I may come and lure you into my favorite bar...

*twirls mustache*
Hellcow

05-27-07, 12:12 AM
...possibly I AM Edyminion...
Aha! Your typo has inadvertantly revealed the truth! You're not Edymnion - you're one of his vast network of henchmen, the Edyminions!
Runepriest

05-27-07, 09:55 AM
Hellcow, you should take paranoia 101 soon. It will help against the edyminions.
Bluebrush

05-27-07, 10:26 AM
I'm sorry, did I walk into an Over the Edge game here?

PS: Hellcow: Mr. V told me to tell you that the gull cries at four of two. He said you'd understand.
Edymnion

05-27-07, 12:27 PM
Aha! Your typo has inadvertantly revealed the truth! You're not Edymnion - you're one of his vast network of henchmen, the Edyminions!There are no Edy Minions, thats just an old wive's tale...
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
gelalshawr

05-27-07, 04:28 PM
Edy, you need to put a recruitment slogan into your sig, "Join the Edy-minions and together I will rull the world Kieth Baker created!!"
DragoonDarkfire

05-27-07, 05:18 PM
Um... technically the world KEITH created is a bit different from the world that Wizards turned it into.

So which one are you aiming for?
gensuke626

05-27-07, 05:23 PM
can't we rule both?
Runepriest

05-27-07, 05:26 PM
can't we rule both?

Maybe. Maybe Not. Depends on how drunk you get Keith. Get all the info you need to figure out how much alcohol he needs to get drunk.
gensuke626

05-27-07, 05:39 PM
I don't think we need info...more like...we need to get the right things...Ok...We need to find some way to get our hands on a nice bottle of Absinthe.
Munz

05-29-07, 05:08 PM
This is a question NOT related to my original post but rather, to the genius himself; Mr. Hellcow. If you indeed plan on holding a get together of minds (per se), will it be an open room for anybody to walk in on and join or a scheduled room? However you plan on doing it, I think it might be a great idea if you could let a select few *hint, hint* know when and where.
Hellcow

05-29-07, 05:20 PM
If you indeed plan on holding a get together of minds (per se), will it be an open room for anybody to walk in on and join or a scheduled room?
There may be officially scheduled events, but I'm thinking something a little more informal, along the lines of "I'll be hanging out in the lobby of the Omni from 7-11 on Saturday night." Once I get my schedule worked out, I'll post something on my website (speaking of which, I'm planning a new Eberron trivia contest for this Saturday, so make sure to check in then!).
Munz

05-30-07, 12:59 PM
Sounds pretty cool; I shall look into it further!
Edymnion

05-30-07, 01:02 PM
So, who do I send the bottles of vodka, taquilla, and white lightning to?
Anguish2

05-30-07, 01:09 PM
So, who do I send the bottles of vodka, taquilla, and white lightning to?

Hey Keith. Since you're hanging out on this thread.

#1 Thank you greatly for your input and creative work on Eberron. My gaming group adores the campaign setting and we unhesitatingly purchase all Eberron materials the day they're released.

#2 Do me a favour please and just say "hi" to Steve (Istvan) at Netdevil for/from me. He should get a kick out of me having made some contact with you other than through him. He should regale you with my reaction when he told us you'd been hired.

#3 Thanks again.
Runepriest

05-30-07, 05:37 PM
So, who do I send the bottles of vodka, taquilla, and white lightning to?

one of Keith's rivals.
Edymnion

05-30-07, 07:19 PM
one of Keith's rivals.No no no, remember, we're trying to get Keith totally ripped off his ass so that he'll become a friendly drunk and just spill all the best Eberron secrets.

Oh Keith, do you like maraschino cherries? :devil:
DragoonDarkfire

05-30-07, 10:45 PM
No no no, remember, we're trying to get Keith totally ripped off his ass so that he'll become a friendly drunk and just spill all the best Eberron secrets.

Oh Keith, do you like maraschino cherries? :devil:

Or you could try Charm Person the only way that could fail would be if Keith was a fey or a Doppleganger.

And I don't think he's a fey.
gensuke626

05-30-07, 10:47 PM
What if he's an Abberation like an Elan or a Daelkyr halfblood?
Runepriest

05-30-07, 11:48 PM
If he's an elan he wouldn't need to sleep. and I think he sleeps. And I don't think he has a symbiont. Who did invent the symbiont idea though?
DragoonDarkfire

05-31-07, 05:34 PM
If he's an elan he wouldn't need to sleep. and I think he sleeps. And I don't think he has a symbiont. Who did invent the symbiont idea though?

Stan Lee when he wrote the Venom saga?
Hellcow

05-31-07, 05:43 PM
and I think he sleeps.
Ha! I dream of sleep. At least, i would, if I ever had time to sleep so I COULD dream of sleep.
DragoonDarkfire

05-31-07, 05:53 PM
Now that you mention it, it DOES make sense.

1) You're Hellcow.

2) Hell is another plane of existence.

3) That would make you an outsider.

4) Outsiders don't sleep.

5) πR2
Runepriest

05-31-07, 07:22 PM
πR2

No, Pie are round! Not Square!
Hellcow

06-02-07, 09:14 PM
Hey all!

Since I've been discussing GenCon activities here, I thought I'd let you know that I'm planning to run an Eberron game on Saturday night at GenCon. Details can be found here (http://www.bossythecow.com/), and seats at the table will be filled over the next two months through an ongoing Eberron trivia contest. I'm also thinking that I'll have an open gathering Saturday night leading up to this game. More news as it develops.
Edymnion

06-02-07, 09:51 PM
Hey all!

Since I've been discussing GenCon activities here, I thought I'd let you know that I'm planning to run an Eberron game on Saturday night at GenCon. Details can be found here (http://www.bossythecow.com/), and seats at the table will be filled over the next two months through an ongoing Eberron trivia contest. I'm also thinking that I'll have an open gathering Saturday night leading up to this game. More news as it develops.I like the trivia contest you did, actually. "Identify what game mechanic is being represented by this part of the book". Thats fun all by itself, and the prize is definately a good one!

Makes me wish I were going to GenCon.
If I can get you to come to Dragon sometime though, I wanna call dibs on a seat in your game. ;)
Hellcow

06-03-07, 12:38 AM
If I can get you to come to Dragon sometime though, I wanna call dibs on a seat in your game.
So convince them to invite me as a guest, and then I'll have to come. ;)
Edymnion

06-03-07, 04:45 PM
So convince them to invite me as a guest, and then I'll have to come. ;)Well thats easy enough, the guys that run some of the major segments of the con are family friends. Should be fairly easy to get in contact with them, and have them get in touch with the roleplaying guys. The chances of them paying your way or anything are virtually nil, but they'd give you a table in the dealer's room to sell autographs and the like.

Honestly, if its just a piece of paper from the con saying "Come on out!" that you be wanting, I could get somebody to send that out to you PDQ. Just PM me the address you want them to send the letter to.
Runepriest

06-06-07, 08:49 AM
something tells me he isn't going to give his home address, but someone he knows addresss. To prevent you going to his house. Ha! I spoiled your plan, Keith!