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Caul 03-16-07, 10:49 AM	I remember seeing a Thug npc class once. I was wondering if anyone remembered where, or could point me in the right direction. I would be great if someone could e-mail the info to me as well, as I'm sure it can't be posted...
DwarfPcfan 03-16-07, 11:01 AM	I can't remember a thug npc class but there is a fighter variant called thug in Unearthed Arcana (Give up one bonus feat and heavy armor proficiency for more skill points and a larger feat access)...
shadowpavement 03-16-07, 11:20 AM	There was a Thug NPC class in the Dragonstar game. Basically an NPC version of the rogue. Unfortuantely I don't have my dragonstar book here but I believe that at every third level they got +1d4 sneak attack damage or something like that.
heirodule 03-16-07, 11:25 AM	I remember seeing a Thug npc class once. I was wondering if anyone remembered where, or could point me in the right direction. I would be great if someone could e-mail the info to me as well, as I'm sure it can't be posted...There was a Thug printed in the (2e) Greyhawk Campaign book that wotc published just prior to 3e.
Bluebrush 03-16-07, 11:28 AM	Alternatively, just use Warrior for your hired goon needs. Sure, you get few skill points, but thugs are there to suck and be beaten up in droves anyway.
Yadot 03-17-07, 11:38 PM	Could This be it? (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm) (you'll have to scroll down)
NthDegree256 03-18-07, 12:06 AM	"Thug" is also one of the NPC classes in the Star Wars d20 game.
Edymnion 03-18-07, 03:57 PM	NPC thugs, typically they have a level of Warrior, and they take the Dirty Fighting feat. The really skillfull ones will be a lvl 1 Rogue with the Toughness feat.
Werebat 03-18-07, 04:56 PM	I can't remember a thug npc class but there is a fighter variant called thug in Unearthed Arcana (Give up one bonus feat and heavy armor proficiency for more skill points and a larger feat access)... Yes indeed. I'm playing one of those right now, actually. In Eberron, it makes a good class for city-dwelling bugbears. - Ron ^*^
The White Sorcerer 03-18-07, 06:43 PM	The really skillfull ones will be a lvl 1 Rogue with the Toughness feat. The not-so-skillful-but-really-tough ones are propably fighters or barbarians, though.
Edymnion 03-18-07, 07:07 PM	The not-so-skillful-but-really-tough ones are propably fighters or barbarians, though.Like I said earlier, I'm a big fan of giving a low level Fighter the Dirty Fighting feat. Sure, it sucks for PCs, but for the NPCs, its ungodly. You get a Fighter with fighter hitpoints and BAB that looks like he's making Sneak Attacks. Throws metagaming PCs for a freaking loop. Same with the Rogue with Toughness. There's nothing like a full on Rogue that takes just as much of a beating as a Fighter, or a Fighter that can dish out the extra damage like a Rogue.
Just another user 03-18-07, 07:45 PM	I think that giving a warrior or fighter a couple level of Expert for the appropriate skills and skill points should work well enough to make thugs or other kind of warriors like city guards or sentinels (depending on the skills chosen) where the standard fighter/warrior skill list seems to be lacking.
The White Sorcerer 03-19-07, 08:07 AM	There's nothing like a full on Rogue that takes just as much of a beating as a Fighter, or a Fighter that can dish out the extra damage like a Rogue. Edymnion, I mean this in the best way possible: You are evil.
Edymnion 03-19-07, 08:28 AM	Edymnion, I mean this in the best way possible: You are evil.What can I say, it keeps me young.
shadowpavement 03-19-07, 01:50 PM	Where is the Dirty Fighting feat located. I remember it being in Sword & Fist but has it been updated for 3.5?
goblin_pride 03-19-07, 02:44 PM	Edymnion, I mean this in the best way possible: You are evil. Seconded. But who am I to judge, eh?
Edymnion 03-19-07, 09:13 PM	Where is the Dirty Fighting feat located. I remember it being in Sword & Fist but has it been updated for 3.5?I dunno if it got reprinted or not, but it doesn't really matter. Just because its 3.0 does not mean it is no longer valid. By the rules, all 3.0 material is still valid as written in a 3.5 game unless it has been officially reprinted in 3.5 (in which case you use the newer version), or it uses another rule that has specifically changed (like damage reduction). Hence, Dirty Fighting out of Sword and Fist is perfectly valid in any 3.5 game.
shadowpavement 03-20-07, 08:07 AM	Thanks Edy. I havn't seen sword and fist for a while now so my reference for the feat is pretty vague. Maybe I shouldn't have dumped all my 3.0 stuff last year.
goblin_pride 03-20-07, 08:12 AM	Maybe I shouldn't have dumped all my 3.0 stuff last year. Ack, you never learned not to ever "dump" previous editions? Those books have lovely little gems left out of later editions. Never, ever "dump" a roleplaying game book. It's one of the cardinal rules. As soon as you "dump" one, you lose the ability to use them to draw off of them for inspiration.
Edymnion 03-20-07, 08:20 AM	Yeah, especially considering how much 3.5 is just a reprint of 3.0 material, which is itself mainly a reprint of 2.0 material.
goblin_pride 03-20-07, 10:10 AM	Yeah, especially considering how much 3.5 is just a reprint of 3.0 material, which is itself mainly a reprint of 2.0 material. If it was a reprint of second ed, it'd be easily eight and a half inches thick in a softcover leatherette with embossed gold seals and title. And guaranteed, as soon as you bought it they'd put out another book about some minor race or obscure class and another and another and another, until you found yourself the proud owner of three grand in books