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BreegJac17 04-04-07, 05:39 PM	I'm pretty new to Eberron and i might not have just looked hard enought but; Does a warforged's regular AC stack with a shields AC?? Any help will be appreciated.
Belabras 04-04-07, 05:42 PM	Yes. Stacks with everything but armor, which would have to be custom made for the 'forged. Does stack with bracers of armor though.
Heartlezz 04-04-07, 05:43 PM	Yes, because it isn't armor that is worn over the body. It says that you don't get benifit of armor. Says nothing about shields. Anyway the armor + and the shield + are different.
BreegJac17 04-04-07, 06:06 PM	Thanks very much people :)
Yadot 04-04-07, 06:40 PM	Yes. Stacks with everything but armor, which would have to be custom made for the 'forged. Does stack with bracers of armor though. You mean does not. Both are amor bonuses.
Belabras 04-04-07, 08:05 PM	You mean does not. Both are amor bonuses. Yes, sorry, I meant does not.
Bladerock 04-04-07, 08:05 PM	Mmm... while we are at it. Does the basic +2 armor bonus on the warforged count as any type of armor for the purpose of monk abilities.
Belabras 04-04-07, 10:43 PM	No, it does not. However, any of the Body feats do.
BreegJac17 04-06-07, 12:14 AM	so shield and armor AC both count as the armor AC??
Belabras 04-06-07, 01:05 AM	No, they are seperate.
Ricohard_Draconis 04-06-07, 04:32 AM	on most character sheets there are two sections on the line that lists ac modifiers for Armor bonus and Shield bonus. and yes they stack because they are two named bonuses with two different names (armor and shield respectively.)
BreegJac17 04-07-07, 07:45 PM	Thanks
ArcTan 04-07-07, 11:39 PM	Yes. Stacks with everything but armor, which would have to be custom made for the 'forged. ...Well, by the rules, WF can't wear armor at all. As the DM, you can talk about "custom-made" armor for WF, but by default it doesn't exist.
Cifer 04-08-07, 01:07 PM	To be more specific, there is no and there can't be armor or robes made for WF with composite plating or a body feat, since both take up the armor slot. Only WF with removed plating (Reforged or Feat) can wear armor, though that can be standard issue.
KidChainsaw 04-08-07, 05:25 PM	This was already stated but let me clarify. Armor and sheilds provide two different types of AC bonus (armor and sheild respectively) and different types of bonus "stack". So, one can add the benefits of armor and sheild as well as the magical bonuses of both (if applicable). A warforged already has an armor bonus (+2 or better depending on certain feats) and it says specifically that they cannot wear armor. So a warforged cannot get the benefit of any item that provides an "armor" bonus unless it is greater that already provided and then it would only replace that bonus. Example- a WF with adamant plating (+8 armor bonus to AC) could put on a pair of bracers of armor +4 but would gain no benefit as the 'forged inherent bonus is higher. But if that WF only had standard (+2) composit plating its armor bonus to AC would be +4. Remember this only applies to things that provide an "armor" bonus. Plenty of items raise AC but do it as a "deflection" or "luck" bonus. I'm a little foggy on how "natural armor" bonuses fit into this. My kneejerk reaction is to say it works the same as armor but I can't find anything in the rules to back that.
Cifer 04-08-07, 08:01 PM	I'm a little foggy on how "natural armor" bonuses fit into this. My kneejerk reaction is to say it works the same as armor but I can't find anything in the rules to back that. That would be an incorrect ruling. "Natural armor" is a bonus kind just like "Deflection", "Sacred", "Luck", "Shield" or "Armor". Since it is not "Armor", warforged can use it perfectly well. If you want a more graphic image: A warforged's armor is its plating. By using a natural armor bonus item or spell, you strengthen the normally soft wooden interior parts - quite fitting for barkskin, isn't it?
KidChainsaw 04-08-07, 09:51 PM	Makes a bit more sense that way. I've always pictured "natural armor" bonus due to something like scales, a shell or pachyderm hide. Since a warforged outer covering (skin?) is already armored....
goblin_pride 04-09-07, 03:47 AM	Makes a bit more sense that way. I've always pictured "natural armor" bonus due to something like scales, a shell or pachyderm hide. Since a warforged outer covering (skin?) is already armored.... Yes and the warforged in question would be that much tougher to damage due to the barkskin hardening the flesh beneath his composite plating.
Geregald 04-30-07, 12:43 PM	Mmm... while we are at it. Does the basic +2 armor bonus on the warforged count as any type of armor for the purpose of monk abilities. This is a question with a murky answer. The description of Warforged plating (straight from ECS) reads thusly: ECS (p. 23)- "Composite plating also provides a warforged with a 5% arcane spell failure chance, similar to the penalty for wearing light armor. Any class ability that allows a warforged to ignore the arcane spell failure chance for light armor lets him ignore this penalty as well. So we're presented with an interesting mix of terminology. For most other purposes, Composite Plating is treated as Light Armor... however, no note is made to Composite Plating counting as Light Armor. However, the answer is indirectly given in the description for Mithral Body in both books. ECS (p. 57) & RoEb (p. 119)- "Your armor bonus is increased to +5 and you are considered to be wearing light armor." The implication is such that Mithral Body is the first to be considered as light armor, similar to Ironwood Body of RoEb (p.119); by inference, anything lighter than these two isn't considered as anything. Just validating the responses above with citations to the rules as they stand. -Geregald