Warforged Arificer sub levels [Archive] - Wizards Community

Warforged Arificer sub levels [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Ukkic
05-02-07, 06:42 PM I what are your opinions on the Warforged Artificer Substitution levels from Races of Eberron?

I'm thinking for a meleeificer mostly, but any opinions would be helpful.

-Ukkic
Zylo_Drizzt
05-03-07, 11:04 AM I like them all. however I would like to be able to keep my ability to make humuculi
wolffman007
05-03-07, 01:54 PM i especially like the 4th lvl ability "tools of war", you get x2 XP when enhancing, magic armor, shield, weapon, constructs or yourself & that stacks w/ the extraordinary artisan feats
yes you do lose the craft homunculos ability, but if you are wanting to make golems & such, your gonna have to get the craft construct feat anyways, as the homunculos ability doesnt cover that.
so in my opionin, its a really good trade off
i dont particulary care for the craft weapon familiar ability trade off, as you lose retain essence, the weapon familiar ability is kewl, but i dont like what you have to give up to get it.
but thats my 02 cents worth
Zylo_Drizzt
05-03-07, 02:35 PM oh yeah I don't like that one either and I like what you said about crafting constructs.

Isn't there a feat that allows you to make homoculi?
meus
05-03-07, 03:33 PM I belive that craft construct allows you to craft homunculi.

The weapon familiar is pretty good for a feat. You basically get alertness, +3 UMD, +2 REF (if you say use a morningstar) and a intelligent weapon that can see in the dark and speak to you and others. But as you say you loose retain essence. It is a hard choice in my book. With retain essence, tools of war and some artisan feats you can pump out magical arms/armour for your group like there is no tomorrow.
Cifer
05-03-07, 03:44 PM yes you do lose the craft homunculos ability, but if you are wanting to make golems & such, your gonna have to get the craft construct feat anyways, as the homunculos ability doesnt cover that.
I somewhat prefer having my small arsenal of non-combat homunculi - a dedicated wright, a expeditious messenger and a luggage.
FreAkOuTRG
05-03-07, 07:02 PM I somewhat prefer having my small arsenal of non-combat homunculi - a dedicated wright, a expeditious messenger and a luggage.

Well, all I have is the messenger. Funny story - our shifter barbarian never bought ID papers. Also didn't tell us he didn't buy his ID papers. Paying bribes can be a pain.
wolffman007
05-03-07, 07:43 PM craft construct is what you use to make homunculous's

if your gonna be a forged & an item creating artificer, then personally i cant see any way NOT to take tools of war
Zylo_Drizzt
05-03-07, 08:19 PM hey FreAkOuTRG when did you make that?

You guys may think this is an odd question but I am playing the campaign with him
FreAkOuTRG
05-03-07, 09:55 PM hey FreAkOuTRG when did you make that?

You guys may think this is an odd question but I am playing the campaign with him

I believe it was right after we caught the not-a-vampire and got our reward money.

No one in our group had Knowledge (religion)...
LordKhaos
05-03-07, 11:18 PM I think that taking all the warforged sub-levels are awesome. Have a lok at this combo if you are interested in a Forged Meleeficer. I'm currently playing this character.

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=834946
Ukkic
05-04-07, 01:49 AM Cool, thanks for the input everyone, thats mostly what I was thinking, I plan to use the first two but not the weapon familiar one.

-Ukkic
Dakron_Tundrick
05-11-07, 11:41 AM I have a question about the Craft Homunculus class feature. It talks about upgrading existing Homunculus hit dice, can this be done with the regular Craft Construct feat? Create a 2 hit die to start with and later upgrade as the funds come in. That question is one reason I hesitate to take the Artificer Sub level at 4th level.

Thanks
Ukkic
05-11-07, 07:28 PM I have a question about the Craft Homunculus class feature. It talks about upgrading existing Homunculus hit dice, can this be done with the regular Craft Construct feat? Create a 2 hit die to start with and later upgrade as the funds come in. That question is one reason I hesitate to take the Artificer Sub level at 4th level.

I have wondered this myself at times, if I remember right read it as saying that an artificer with craft humunculus could do that, but I would definitely house rule that craft construct would do the same thing.

-Ukkic
Dakron_Tundrick
05-11-07, 09:40 PM I guess I will have to check with my DM, we are usually pretty free about upgrading magic items, so I don't see why he wouldn't allow it. Just looking for any official rules regarding the issue.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Ukkic 05-02-07, 06:42 PM	I what are your opinions on the Warforged Artificer Substitution levels from Races of Eberron? I'm thinking for a meleeificer mostly, but any opinions would be helpful. -Ukkic
Zylo_Drizzt 05-03-07, 11:04 AM	I like them all. however I would like to be able to keep my ability to make humuculi
wolffman007 05-03-07, 01:54 PM	i especially like the 4th lvl ability "tools of war", you get x2 XP when enhancing, magic armor, shield, weapon, constructs or yourself & that stacks w/ the extraordinary artisan feats yes you do lose the craft homunculos ability, but if you are wanting to make golems & such, your gonna have to get the craft construct feat anyways, as the homunculos ability doesnt cover that. so in my opionin, its a really good trade off i dont particulary care for the craft weapon familiar ability trade off, as you lose retain essence, the weapon familiar ability is kewl, but i dont like what you have to give up to get it. but thats my 02 cents worth
Zylo_Drizzt 05-03-07, 02:35 PM	oh yeah I don't like that one either and I like what you said about crafting constructs. Isn't there a feat that allows you to make homoculi?
meus 05-03-07, 03:33 PM	I belive that craft construct allows you to craft homunculi. The weapon familiar is pretty good for a feat. You basically get alertness, +3 UMD, +2 REF (if you say use a morningstar) and a intelligent weapon that can see in the dark and speak to you and others. But as you say you loose retain essence. It is a hard choice in my book. With retain essence, tools of war and some artisan feats you can pump out magical arms/armour for your group like there is no tomorrow.
Cifer 05-03-07, 03:44 PM	yes you do lose the craft homunculos ability, but if you are wanting to make golems & such, your gonna have to get the craft construct feat anyways, as the homunculos ability doesnt cover that. I somewhat prefer having my small arsenal of non-combat homunculi - a dedicated wright, a expeditious messenger and a luggage.
FreAkOuTRG 05-03-07, 07:02 PM	I somewhat prefer having my small arsenal of non-combat homunculi - a dedicated wright, a expeditious messenger and a luggage. Well, all I have is the messenger. Funny story - our shifter barbarian never bought ID papers. Also didn't tell us he didn't buy his ID papers. Paying bribes can be a pain.
wolffman007 05-03-07, 07:43 PM	craft construct is what you use to make homunculous's if your gonna be a forged & an item creating artificer, then personally i cant see any way NOT to take tools of war
Zylo_Drizzt 05-03-07, 08:19 PM	hey FreAkOuTRG when did you make that? You guys may think this is an odd question but I am playing the campaign with him
FreAkOuTRG 05-03-07, 09:55 PM	hey FreAkOuTRG when did you make that? You guys may think this is an odd question but I am playing the campaign with him I believe it was right after we caught the not-a-vampire and got our reward money. No one in our group had Knowledge (religion)...
LordKhaos 05-03-07, 11:18 PM	I think that taking all the warforged sub-levels are awesome. Have a lok at this combo if you are interested in a Forged Meleeficer. I'm currently playing this character. http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=834946
Ukkic 05-04-07, 01:49 AM	Cool, thanks for the input everyone, thats mostly what I was thinking, I plan to use the first two but not the weapon familiar one. -Ukkic
Dakron_Tundrick 05-11-07, 11:41 AM	I have a question about the Craft Homunculus class feature. It talks about upgrading existing Homunculus hit dice, can this be done with the regular Craft Construct feat? Create a 2 hit die to start with and later upgrade as the funds come in. That question is one reason I hesitate to take the Artificer Sub level at 4th level. Thanks
Ukkic 05-11-07, 07:28 PM	I have a question about the Craft Homunculus class feature. It talks about upgrading existing Homunculus hit dice, can this be done with the regular Craft Construct feat? Create a 2 hit die to start with and later upgrade as the funds come in. That question is one reason I hesitate to take the Artificer Sub level at 4th level. I have wondered this myself at times, if I remember right read it as saying that an artificer with craft humunculus could do that, but I would definitely house rule that craft construct would do the same thing. -Ukkic
Dakron_Tundrick 05-11-07, 09:40 PM	I guess I will have to check with my DM, we are usually pretty free about upgrading magic items, so I don't see why he wouldn't allow it. Just looking for any official rules regarding the issue.