Warforged Unarmed -- Slam only? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Warforged Unarmed -- Slam only? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Salla
08-19-07, 05:21 PM Something weird that came up the other day ... I'm not sure if this is Races or Combat, so here goes. :)

To cut the context, our group wound up in a bar fight. It was just a fistfight, so I didn't want to deal lethal damage. I declared my intent to use 'unarmed strikes', but the DM said that I don't have those, I *only* have the slam and cannot deal nonlethal damage unarmed without taking the -4 to hit.

Is this actually rules-supported somewhere, or is it a houserule? I can't find it.
Belabras
08-19-07, 05:50 PM Warforged have both. Rule #1 of Warforged is that, unless stated otherwise, they are just like all other player races. All player races have the ability to do an unarmed strike (for non-lethal damage, provoking an AoO), so Warforged do too. The presence of the natural weapon attack doesn't remove that option, just provides another choice in battle.
Rerecros
08-19-07, 06:17 PM Yes warforged still have unarmed strikes, their slam comes from wearing the equivalent of a gauntlet all the time, and characters wearing gauntlets can still make unarmed strikes.
Salla
08-19-07, 06:29 PM Warforged have both. Rule #1 of Warforged is that, unless stated otherwise, they are just like all other player races. All player races have the ability to do an unarmed strike (for non-lethal damage, provoking an AoO), so Warforged do too. The presence of the natural weapon attack doesn't remove that option, just provides another choice in battle.

That was that I was thinking, but I thought perhaps I had overlooked it somewhere. The AoO wasn't an issue because everybody involved was unarmed, at least. :)
Edymnion
08-20-07, 08:30 AM Also remind your DM that unarmed strikes do not have to be made only with fists. You can kick someone, knee them, elbow them, shoulder check them, headbutt them, or anything else you can think of, and its all just an unarmed attack.
LoneStranger
08-20-07, 07:43 PM Adamantine headbutt, man you think that would cause lethal damage BUT that's neither here nor there.

Yup, they still get unarmed attacks, the GM got confused or the CIA was testing a new ray on him/her or something.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Salla 08-19-07, 05:21 PM	Something weird that came up the other day ... I'm not sure if this is Races or Combat, so here goes. :) To cut the context, our group wound up in a bar fight. It was just a fistfight, so I didn't want to deal lethal damage. I declared my intent to use 'unarmed strikes', but the DM said that I don't have those, I only have the slam and cannot deal nonlethal damage unarmed without taking the -4 to hit. Is this actually rules-supported somewhere, or is it a houserule? I can't find it.
Belabras 08-19-07, 05:50 PM	Warforged have both. Rule #1 of Warforged is that, unless stated otherwise, they are just like all other player races. All player races have the ability to do an unarmed strike (for non-lethal damage, provoking an AoO), so Warforged do too. The presence of the natural weapon attack doesn't remove that option, just provides another choice in battle.
Rerecros 08-19-07, 06:17 PM	Yes warforged still have unarmed strikes, their slam comes from wearing the equivalent of a gauntlet all the time, and characters wearing gauntlets can still make unarmed strikes.
Salla 08-19-07, 06:29 PM	Warforged have both. Rule #1 of Warforged is that, unless stated otherwise, they are just like all other player races. All player races have the ability to do an unarmed strike (for non-lethal damage, provoking an AoO), so Warforged do too. The presence of the natural weapon attack doesn't remove that option, just provides another choice in battle. That was that I was thinking, but I thought perhaps I had overlooked it somewhere. The AoO wasn't an issue because everybody involved was unarmed, at least. :)
Edymnion 08-20-07, 08:30 AM	Also remind your DM that unarmed strikes do not have to be made only with fists. You can kick someone, knee them, elbow them, shoulder check them, headbutt them, or anything else you can think of, and its all just an unarmed attack.
LoneStranger 08-20-07, 07:43 PM	Adamantine headbutt, man you think that would cause lethal damage BUT that's neither here nor there. Yup, they still get unarmed attacks, the GM got confused or the CIA was testing a new ray on him/her or something.